You cannot equate "thanking them for doing something good" with:
- "allowing them to do whatever they wish [and giving them my blessing]"
- "[not being willing to] raise against them to stop them"
- "being fine [with stuff they've done to us in the past]"
- "being satisfied with [them] ruling over us"
I can equate this because it is basically this, it starts from smaller things. Let me rephrase again better:
Blizzard did not just did to Reforged what it did of sudden. It started with smaller things periodically until they grow strong enough to do what they do because they think that they are above laws and they can. But they did not become like that over night. Google, Microsoft, FB they all started from small or tiny, some from garage. And look now their criminal and illegal network, this modern Blizzard is similiar, except its weaker version of them. But it all started with people showing them gratitude while blinking on eye pretending that thievery and illegal activities are not happening, constantly buying stuff from them and hopping ,,things to get better" which is actually green light to them (unintentionally from your side of course) to do what they want.
and I have never said any of those things.
You said
,,And I can be thankful for something good, even if it comes from my bitter enemy; even if I should've had it long ago; even if it was taken illegally"
There is nothing to thank your bitter enemy if you have any. There is not ,,thank you" for thief or criminal, they should be punished not shown gratitude instead. There is nothing in this case to thank Blizzard for Reforged as they fuck up everything so badly that even years after we feel consequences. After all this years after release we have finally decent version! AFTER YEARS! And they were obligated to deliver that on start because they were using money in advance! Do you get my point now?
I can absolutely fight for my rights with one hand while thanking them with the other. I am very surprised by the implication that others cannot. If someone is stealing my wallet but throws me a $100 bill, I can (& will) thank them for the free money while still chasing them down for my wallet. Any more extreme analogy is absolutely bonkers.
But you cannot fight thief while saying ,,thank you" thats two contradiction and opposite things. You are good man, fair and honest but you are unintentionally encouraging them and giving them green light to proceed with that.
Lets elaborate this in better way to make points for sake of conversation:
If we multiply you on million clones, and we have million Kyrbi0s, then we have million people who will thank million times Blizzard or any similiar organizations for something ,,good" come from them after they were obligated to do it years ago. You will have gratitude to (partial) crime and thats obvious something they want and like. There is no counter reaction or punishments from your side, so they can continue like this forever.
Now lets clone me, and you have million MasterHaosis's around. We would unleash serious fight on them, we would report them, sue them, downrate them, raise awareness against them, worldwide news will cover them, we would show no mercy to greedy organisations that earn billions illegally, so they would think TWICE before doing this again on purpose! We would force them to follow laws and think twice before trying to fool someone. And they will have no other options but to obey. Simple, if I (in my case millions of me) follow rules and laws, they will be as well.
Thats what I am talking about, people like you are encouraging them and we see results of that! We see results of weakness, and closing eyes on this forbidden activities over years, of adapting and praising those and congratulating them instead of forcing them to do what they promised and used money for.
Let's pretend none of this had happened. Blizzard never released an official legacy v1.29 on Battle.net, no thread, no arguments. We'd all still be sitting here, modding or talking about Wc3, pushing for Blizzard to do us right. Many of us here would have v1.29 from the Archives, but all the many non-Hive Wc3 players out there would not, would only have Reforged.
We would live normally and would survive as if when they did not release this before this thread. Nothing would happen to you, me, Ralle, any member. People would still make models, tools, workrounds and not expect anything much from Blizzard.
But let me ask you with counterquestion: Lets pretend that we all stood against them and forced them to deliver what they promised back then years ago. No thread, no arguments, just play the game as you pay for, what you were promised. You would have almost everything you got promised, plus to select these patches as you like. And they would not make this mistake twice because if we rise again it will be double worse against them than previous time. But we pretended on the moment, it did not happen right? because there are always some grateful people for getting small pieces of bread around despite buying the whole bread!
Is that not a strictly-worse reality? Is that not a 'de-provement' on our current situation? A continuation of all the bad of Reforged, with no respite or alternative? (again, the respite exists on the Hive but I contend there are many many people who do not know about it). So this world, the one where Blizzard did do at least one good thing...
You are right here but from that perspective and I do not argue that. But I am telling you this did not need to happen at all if there were no people back then with this behavior and if we were united. What you speak now is giving us the cure, which is good actually, I do not argue your cure, I argue that we did not need to get sick at the first place and did not react when first symptoms happened! And whats worse we did not learn anything from it, so there is chance that we got sick again and some will beg for cure from very people that made us sick at first place. I am more like person that wants prevention and to learn from mistakes to prevent them from happening. Thats why simple ,,thanks" is counter productive at all.
and I am castigated for daring to say "thanks"?
Please read previous reply just lines above this, to prevent repeating again why simple ,,thanks" is counter productive here.
And to additional note. Take Ralle for example. Ralle made Hive, he made tons of good stuff here and left huge mark on WC3 worlds modding community. Then you can say ,,I do not like this, you made mistake here, here and there, but THANKS for this, this and that" because thats rational and constructive. You can say to me ,,I do not like this, this and this, but thanks for this, this and that". But you cannot say ,,thanks" to someone earning billions and tried to mass rapid steal people back then and continue to do many illegal activities. No thanks for greedy billionaires as they may see this as a signal to continue.
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