The Ultimate Terraining Map, Volume 4!

[MasterTrainer]

I agree with you, but we need a UTM that is richer with content, smaller in size (this is under the assumption that you're talking about the the map size).

 

[Strydhaizer]

I can volunteer in IMPORTING FILES since i always have time for it.

 

[MasterTrainer]

That's a hard and tedious work for me; good luck there mate.

May your eyes and hands not give up on you! (Figure of speech, do not take literally; not judging you on any part!)

 

[Strydhaizer]

Im 16 hours online to this site every day so i think i have time for it.

Im only free this summer , if the classes starts , sorry but i will no longer volunteer on this project
(Why college always takes my whole day?)

 

[MasterTrainer]

Highschool at my place takes like 10 hours a day, needs 1 hour break at home, 1-2 hours of homework, so that leaves me at: about 13 hours a day of activities regarding school, minus 8-10 hours of sleep, so yeah I agree with you bro. Once classes start a majority of us won't be as much active.

 

[Strydhaizer]

Look how i import files http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/terrain-board-267/construct-pieces-terraining-map-235128/

I imported them manually and take half of my day

 

[JB_McKnight]

What if we just import the resources that we need then use WE's feature called Import Object Data?

 

[MasterTrainer]

Better yet use JNGP's merge object data. Intended for JNGP users too like me.

 

[JB_McKnight]

Yup, then we could just "scratch off" any of the objects that we don't need in a given theme.

 

[CMarket]

Well, it looks to me like you have a team. Three or four people might not be enough to finish this whole project, but it's enough to start, and attract more people.

MasterTrainer, I'd suggest you contact Pharaoh_ and see about coordinating this team of yours. Make sure to bug Pharaoh_ as much as possible about where to start, what to do, and so on. Get all the information you need, draw a plan of your activities and distribute them to your team members. Give them each an assignment worthy of their skill and their willingness to complete it, and with some hard work and a little luck we should have the beta of UTM 4 soon

 

[Strydhaizer]

^

Im on it.

I can import resources coz i have time for it. Ill contact when i finished importing resources. I think its we just need to add models to the pack , am i right?

Master Terrainer , lets do this , ^_^ i just need a person who can provide me in models
Tiles arent problem

 

[MasterTrainer]

Do we really need to make this team official?

 

[CMarket]

You don't need to make it official, but you need a plan of action, and since I don't really know any of you, I'm not really sure if you qualified enough to see the big picture, which is why I suggested contacting someone who is.

You'll be able to do far more if you get a good start, which means that you have to know exactly what needs to be done and how to do it. Otherwise you'll just end up with a badly cataloged map of various models.

Even if you think you understand the whole idea of the UTM, I'd suggest writing a short plan of action and sending it to Pharaoh_. If you got everything right, no problem, but if you missed something, Pharaoh_ should be able to clear it up and avoid getting a bad start.

 

[MasterTrainer]

Before we do anything, let's make a blueprint first.

We already decided to make it into different themes right?


(Your answer here will lead to different possible actions)

 

[JB_McKnight]

What about we start with the Beginner's version first?

Then from there, we add up with the Merge Object Data and then split to the different themes.

Edit: Ah, no, I mean; from the Beginners version, we continue to add all the resources and data that might be usable for all Themes, then we make multiple copies and Assign each copy to a different theme. Then from there, we add all resources and data necessary for each.

This would make our approach be like the formation of the different branches of a tree.

 

[MasterTrainer]

Okay, so the Beginner's UTM it is.

We already have our resources to manage that UTM, courtesy of Strydrzero, and he and I think CMarket will take care of the importing, which I think is the whole process already.

 

[JB_McKnight]

We should try and identify all the themes needed.

I remember Comical & Modern...
I forgot the rest.

What about the resources that were posted on this thread, have they already been retrieved?

 

[MasterTrainer]

There's still Futuristic, but let's focus on the Beginner's UTM first, like you said.

There are only 12 pages here currently. It will be easy for them to be retrieved. I will do that, and I will make a list as soon as I can.

 

[Binsu]

Looks like you are all having fun! =)

You all trying to make a new UTM? Mind giving me some info about these things you are doing?

 

[MasterTrainer]

Well, technically, yes. First, we're going to divide the original UTM into multiple themes, starting with the Beginner's UTM.

 

[Binsu]

Well, technically, yes. First, we're going to divide the original UTM into multiple themes, starting with the Beginner's UTM.

So you will add some custom resources divided into sub groups and groups?

 

[CMarket]

What about we start with the Beginner's version first?

Then from there, we add up with the Merge Object Data and then split to the different themes.

This is a good idea. Start with as simple a project as you can so that you can train as a team, and then when the first version is out, the rest will go far more smoothly. Hope to see a beta of the "UTM 4 - Novice" soon

 

[MasterTrainer]

@Hell_Master Well, all of the resources are custom already because they weren't made by Blizzard, and we will be dividing them into themes, so yes.

 

[JB_McKnight]

Depends on what kind of resources they are.
We'll add on to the Beginners only those that can be used in all themes. Then seperated the different themed resources after.

By the way, we're still a small army. We would gladly appreciate help

 

[Binsu]

@Hell_Master Well, all of the resources are custom already because they weren't made by Blizzard, and we will be dividing them into themes, so yes.

Hmmm, I see. SO you will be searching resources here to add in the UTM - Novice or just in the UTM itself?

And I might join too =)

 

[MasterTrainer]

Okay I did a quick look over at the thread and I found these posts containing their respective links to the models, though I haven't had much time to filter them out, so some models might be mentioned twice, or three times:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/2254370-post47.html

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/2254395-post48.html

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/2274923-post63.html

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/2275361-post64.html

 

[Binsu]

We should first ask permission because they share this because of the UTM 4 and not for our UTM.

 

[MasterTrainer]

I just did that so we have a retrieved list of the submitted resources, not for the Beginner's UTM.

Try to read everyone's previous posts to get a hold of what we're doing, preferably pages 10-12.

 

[Brambleclaw]

Resource wise I think you should take a look at some of the Touhou maps. There was a Touhou defence map that had a separate model download pack, so that the map file size wasn't too large the models were remote to the map. However were directly loaded into it.

So you were playing with all the models visible (Only if you downloaded the model pack), but with the map file size being relatively small, as the models no longer took up map space.

 

[SpasMaster]

Almost an year after this was posted. Are we getting close to release?

 

[MasterTrainer]

Sadly, no.

 

[Sin'dorei300]

Almost an year after this was posted. Are we getting close to release?

I doubt it'll be released.

 

[Celaquil]

If I'd gotten a dollar for every person who made an attempt at making a new UTM >.>
- I'd still be poor as fuck.

No, but really, EVERYONE thinks they're the next Da Vinci of UTM's, till they start comprehending just how much work there is about it. Truth be told, I commend DungeonM like all hell for having done it, I know I wouldn't ever have been as... Dedicated.

That, and I honestly still don't see the slightest point in making another UTM. The current edition, as it stands, serves to be a perfect beginner's package for any new terrainer, and then whenever they start getting better, they'll simply make their own map with their own preferred doodads to use, true terrainers got their own terrain templates.
- Maybe the name should be changed, though. (BTM)

 

[MasterTrainer]

Wow; Beginner's Terraining Map; never would've thought of that.

 

[bethmachine]

I could do all the naming since I am still on holidays and not so ocupied if this actualy gets anywhere.

 

[Celaquil]

Alright chaps, time for a damned ultimatum: Is anyone at all working on this?
- For if not, then I see no further reason in keeping this thread as a sticky.

 

[JB_McKnight]

MasterTrainer, I've finished the Pathing Compilation and will be uploading a blank map with the original object data

In Total, 33 additional pathing objects have been added.
Ground +25
Both +2
Walkable +6

Total Data Space consumed: around 15-18kB

Complete List of added pathing objects

Ground
>DoubleBlock
>Elongated
>Elongated Diagonal
>Large Elongated
>Large +Elongated
>Large ++Elongated
>Large Diagonal
>Large DoubleBlock Horizontal
>Large DoubleBlock Vertical
>Large Extralong
>P
>P 90^
>XL
>XL Diagonal
>XL Diagonal Elongated
>XL Rectangular
>XL +Rectangular
>XL ++Rectangular
>XL ++Rectangular D
>XXL
>XXL Cross
>XXL Elongated
>XXXL
>XXXXL Rectangular
>XXXXL +Rectangular
>XXXXL Rectangular Elongated

Both
>XL
>XXXL

Walkable Area
>S
>M
>L
>L Rectangular
>XL
>XL DoubleBlock
>XXXXXL
>XXXXXXXL

I only included those that seemed useful for Pathing. I made a Walkable Area Pathing Object so I could also include useful Walkable Pathing Maps, Some of their sizes are already included in the Invisible Platform Object, so you may disregard those.

Also, if needed, I can generate some custom Pathing Maps to fill up those gaps between sizes.

 

[Celaquil]

You are one damned Self-Centered individual. What YOU think is right for you, you think is right for everyone else, and you don't open up your mind for other's opinions.

That was entirely uncalled for, sure I might have added "damned" for emphasis, and sure I don't honestly see the point in making a new UTM, then again if you want to, you do, I'm not going to stop you.

Point is, I happen to be this sections Moderator now, and I happen to have noticed there's a bit too many stickies for my liking, so I asked the simple question "Are someone still working on this?" Because there's been a lot "I can do this" going around and barely no "We've done this and we're currently working at that," excluding your former post. So yeah, I kind of asked whether or not anyone's working on it, because if not then there seem to me to be no point in having the thread stickied anymore.
- Sue me for that opinion.

Also, if you have a beef with me or have anything negative to say, do so in the Admin Contact section, rather than bluntly firing off offensive statements and unjust proclamations.
I'm going to let this slip for now, but pull yourself together, mate, I won't tolerate further harassment.

 

[JB_McKnight]

No beef, none at all. I just thought that you disliked the existence of a project geared on the progress of a new UTM.

 

[Brambleclaw]

That was entirely uncalled for, sure I might have added "damned" for emphasis, and sure I don't honestly see the point in making a new UTM, then again if you want to, you do, I'm not going to stop you.

Point is, I happen to be this sections Moderator now, and I happen to have noticed there's a bit too many stickies for my liking, so I asked the simple question "Are someone still working on this?" Because there's been a lot "I can do this" going around and barely no "We've done this and we're currently working at that," excluding your former post. So yeah, I kind of asked whether or not anyone's working on it, because if not then there seem to me to be no point in having the thread stickied anymore.
- Sue me for that opinion.

Also, if you have a beef with me or have anything negative to say, do so in the Admin Contact section, rather than bluntly firing off offensive statements and unjust proclamations.
I'm going to let this slip for now, but pull yourself together, mate, I won't tolerate further harassment.

These sort of threats over a debate/argument coming from a Mod is disappointing. Not what you expect from an "upstanding member of the community ^^"

Although I guess this probs did get sort of mad due to the random uncalled for comment. Everyone deals with problems differently I guess.


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Saw the different pathable objects. Looking good, can't wait till the new UTM comes out. Although the sad thing about UTM's is the lag when opening OE.

Also when you make the UTM can you set all min scale 0 max 99999
So that it is easier to customize. In the previous UTM that was a pain.

 

[fladdermasken]

These sort of threats over a debate/argument coming from a Mod is disappointing. Not what you expect from an "upstanding member of the community ^^"

FYI he wasn't pulling rank to win the debate; dealing with both stickies and harassment is part of his job as the section's moderator. And the response was kind of dignified seeing as he both explained where the misunderstanding took place in detail and let him off the hook for harassing him about it.

 

[Celaquil]

Any progress, anyone?

 

[Gilles]

It's not happening man.

 

[Celaquil]

That's my thought exactly, but last time I assumed as much I got verbally abused,
so I thought a softer approach would do this time around.

Anyway, I'll give whoever still thinks they're working on this til Wednesday to answer,
then I'll bring the thread down and start tinkering with my own peculiar idea for an
alternative approach to an "update" in terraining tool development.

 

[Celaquil]

This thread is now unstickied, due to low activity in the threads initial purpose.
- Anyone still working on this are free to do so and free to post their updates
in this thread, but I won't sticky it again.

On the other hand, if you do make a "Ultimate Terraining Map 4.0" and want
me to have a look at it, I will, and if it's good it'll be uploaded to the "Ultimate
Terraining Map 3" thread with a name-change.

 

[rushing_epic]

:\ ^ double post? srry