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The Heart of Storms: Dusk of Draenor (Release)
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- Rommel
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- 398.44 MB
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- Jan 9, 2023
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- Mar 13, 2023
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Approved
This bundle is marked as recommended. It works and satisfies the submission rules.
The project is finally at a version we are proud to call first (but not last) release out of beta stage.
After a very long wait and, finally, 2 years of intense development (as it was relaunched in 2020 and worked from the ground up, only keeping a few old assets and the story), Heart of Storms finally gets an open release!
For a (not very) brief history of this mod, check here.
What's in the release 1.68?
- The whole Act I of the Heart of Storms campaign.
- 3 playable races: Ogres, Orcs and Draenei, as well as lots of neutral units, creeps and heroes.
- 5 missions (with multiple variants depending on player choices) and 2 cinematics.
- Thousands of new models and textures, including not only unit and building graphics, but also doodads, tilesets, special effects and UI, for a completely different level of detail that we'd describe as "semi-Reforged" (essentially bringing vanilla Warcraft III to Starcraft II visual quality).
- New music and unit/hero voices.
- And basically everything we planned to release in Act I: Dusk of Draenor.
A word of warning: HoS has a completely reworked balance compared to original Warcraft III, and a somewhat harsh learning curve. We strongly recommend that you play on Easy or Normal for the first time, and be prepared that the final mission is very hectic (though more than manageable once you get the mechanics right). HoS is also cheat-friendly, if you want a VERY easy time (when your heroes need to die, they'll die anyway!)
For testing purposes, all missions are unlocked from the beginning. However, we insist you play them in correct order, as the plot heavily depends on choices you make in previous missions, and you'll only see the basic version if you skip them. There's also a true final boss and a secret ending which are available only for those who complete special objectives! Look out for hints, sometimes they're hidden in plain sight!
Installation:
Heart of Storms Act I requires a clean (non-modded) English version of Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, patched to 1.27b. It has also been tested on 1.29.2 and works fine, though you may encounter a few minor bugs. Working on later versions and Reforged (on PTR with campaign support) is not guaranteed and will most definitely be very unstable at best. It will not work at all on 1.26 or any earlier versions.
Currently it's available only as a mix of a campaign file, local files and mpq archive. Using campaign file only was originally planned but we had to discard it due to technical limitations (custom team colors not working) and sheer size of it making the campaign crash on a few systems. Standalone campaign version, still, is planned in the final release for purist reasons, though it will likely have some limitations.
You can download a free 1.27b copy of Warcraft III from Blizzard's FTPs here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/w...ii-official-installers-official-patches/21415
or here:
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/wc3-download-archive-1-00-1-31-1-beta-demo.326836/
1. Copy the w3n file into Campaigns\ folder of the game root.
In you are playing 1.29, this folder is instead located in your Documents/Warcraft III/ folder.
2. Enable local files, instructions can be found here: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/local-files.330849/
If you need any help with enabling local files, just ask, and we'll try to help. It's easier than it sounds.
3. Download HoS local files: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wO1i2b8BSyHzUhGQ_UBfvGBq3Uyr2hvR/view?usp=share_link
Mirror: https://mega.nz/file/EjRx3IKR#xwYeYjXfuw6G3h3LLn2zLqkfhV6Sux4b5gzlpAVLG7U
We added instructions and a REG file that does a one-double-click local files setting in the archive.
The campaign WILL NOT FUNCTION without these! They contain most of HoS models, sounds and textures.
Copy the entire contents of Local Files archive into game root; so that, for example, textures are in (game folder)\Textures.
4. War3patch.mpq will be replaced as the result, you might want to make a copy. If you use 1.29, delete it.
Without this, new sounds will not work, and some non-critical visual glitches will occur.
5. If you launch the game (Frozen Throne) and see a new main menu, you have done it correctly. Now just go to Custom Campaigns and play (start with Prologue - Chainbreakers).
Notes:
- Set all visual settings to maximum, or the game will crash.
- Highly recommended to turn off other applications that use a lot of CPU power or RAM. WC3 is not very forgiving if it can't find enough computing power or memory.
Credits:
Too many people involved to name them here, so we compiled a special list.
And now to the most important question... "Can I use your models in my project?"
Well you certainly can. Reviving and finishing HoS would not have been possible without a huge amount of community models on Hive Workshop and other sites that we based our graphics on (giving all proper credit and, where needed, requesting specific permission), so it would be fair to give back to the community. Therefore, game files come without any protection for the resources inside. However, we would ask you to follow the rules set in the PLEASE READ THIS FIRST section of the credits. We'll copy it here, just in case:
You're welcome share your impressions in our Hive thread or Discord channel.
Looking forward to your feedback!
CREDITS:
(As per the rules, but better consult the Google Document above. Please remember models based on assets made by General Frank and BloodRaven cannot be used/modified/redistributed without these authors' written permission)
- Final interlude should now load properly.
- Chapter 4 Garona/Rogaar bug fixed.
- New unit voices for Arbiter and Anchorite.
- Chapter 4 final stage (in normal route) now also spawns a greater Infernal in addition to lesser ones.
- Slightly buffed the forces of Bladespire in Chapter 3.
- Some minor fixes for many models.
- Rangari cost increased.
- Chapter 2 Eyes of Kilrogg are now timed (90s) instead of permanent.
- Chapter 4 sacrificing allies should now give x1.5 the mana gained for player's units, and sacrificing dominated enemies should give x10 (maybe will increase further).
- Reconverted voice lines for Peacekeeper and Irontusk to reduce static.
- Cho'gall can now cast his ultimate more often.
- Chapter 4 Garona/Rogaar bug fixed.
- New unit voices for Arbiter and Anchorite.
- Chapter 4 final stage (in normal route) now also spawns a greater Infernal in addition to lesser ones.
- Slightly buffed the forces of Bladespire in Chapter 3.
- Some minor fixes for many models.
- Rangari cost increased.
- Chapter 2 Eyes of Kilrogg are now timed (90s) instead of permanent.
- Chapter 4 sacrificing allies should now give x1.5 the mana gained for player's units, and sacrificing dominated enemies should give x10 (maybe will increase further).
- Reconverted voice lines for Peacekeeper and Irontusk to reduce static.
- Cho'gall can now cast his ultimate more often.
- Final interlude should now load for everyone, at the cost of some reduction in detail. The post-credits scene is coming in a later update.
- Fixed lots of models that could crash the game above 1.29. Launching at 1.30 or higher is still very highly experimental, please provide feedback.
- Fixed M4 bugs with AI of ogres.
- In M4, ogre allies (but not Reckoners) now get a resource boost like Blackrock and Twilight's Hammer.
- New Giant Eater unit replies sound.
- Yrel, Velen, Daemon, Giant Eater, Skinner, Wulnar, Kil'jaeden models updated. Arnak skin made brighter.
- Damage of all frigate-type ships buffed.
- Fixed M3 bugs where random dialogue could overlap with cinematics of Bloodmaul and Grimfrost quests.
- Most ogres got new leg geosets with proper feet instead of stumps.
- Buildings now decay for 90s like units (which helps Draenei revive tanks).
- Some M0 default dungeon doodads replaced.
- Tree replaceable textures changed a bit to make sure the game properly blackens the trees on Fel.
- Main menu and loading screen updated to include HIVE credit.
- Fixed lots of models that could crash the game above 1.29. Launching at 1.30 or higher is still very highly experimental, please provide feedback.
- Fixed M4 bugs with AI of ogres.
- In M4, ogre allies (but not Reckoners) now get a resource boost like Blackrock and Twilight's Hammer.
- New Giant Eater unit replies sound.
- Yrel, Velen, Daemon, Giant Eater, Skinner, Wulnar, Kil'jaeden models updated. Arnak skin made brighter.
- Damage of all frigate-type ships buffed.
- Fixed M3 bugs where random dialogue could overlap with cinematics of Bloodmaul and Grimfrost quests.
- Most ogres got new leg geosets with proper feet instead of stumps.
- Buildings now decay for 90s like units (which helps Draenei revive tanks).
- Some M0 default dungeon doodads replaced.
- Tree replaceable textures changed a bit to make sure the game properly blackens the trees on Fel.
- Main menu and loading screen updated to include HIVE credit.
GENERAL
- Local files now include the installation instructions and REG file that enables them automatically.
- All missions are now locked from the beginning and are unlocked one by one, in order. NOTE: if you really wish to open them again for some reason, type UNLOCK in the Prologue.
- Each campaign chapter got a book near the start that contains a hint to an achievement that will unlock the secret ending. Book will not appear if the achievement is already earned.
- Fixed some in-game tooltips that had wrong color, duplications or unclear descriptions, as well as describing entities that didn't happen before the opening of the Dark Portal.
- Some orc death sounds replaced to be less vanilla.
VISUALS
- Horde got a new UI frame, made from scratch by Murlocogist.
- Added an experimental feature of hero glow. Type heroglow in chat to enable team-colored glow on all heroes and hero-like units. Type again to disable it. This effect is purely visual.
- Fixed more models of doodads and some portraits (missed last time) that caused lag spikes on 1.30 or higher.
- Succubi model portraits now have fangs, consistent with WoW.
- In cinematic close-up frames, using more detailed succubi models now.
- New icons for Maraad, Eye of Prophecy, Bonesplitter and Chainbreaker.
- Updated the glitchy texture and model of Orc Rallypoint Banner (and variants).
- Experimenting with armor type icons; we are trying to find the ones that are comprehensive and not 100% WoW-copied, replaced Divine and Unarmored to see how it goes.
- Orc Netherlord, Blackhand and Gul'dan models slightly revamped.
- Orc tower doodads (in M0) should no longer appear with pitch-black roofs in version 1.29 and above.
- Removed required attachments of large and medium from small heroes.
- Emporium no longer has its overhead Tesseract visual.
- Uncorrupted Spearmen no longer use wrongly-colored spears.
- Shattered Hand Venomblade now has a prosthetic hand as all male warriors do.
- Added a few more additional animations for Yrel.
- Warbringer model got slight texture fixes.
- Prelate got a new cape.
GAMEPLAY AND BALANCE
- Weakened the Clan Banner and Grog healing to 2% and 1% respectively; to compensate, increasing banner durability and decreasing barrel mana cost.
- Veinrender proc chance increased to 20%.
- For all current and future Attack type heroes (Slayer, Prelate and Butcher), Mana cost of their spells is reduced.
- Eyes summoned by Rogaar now damage structures as well.
SPECIFIC MISSIONS
- Epilogue got a post-credits scene answering one of the most frequent lore questions.
- Epilogue visuals revamped, including lighting, doodads, terrain, orc clan composition and Kilrogg model.
- Fixed M3 bug where Velen's cinematic could be played more than once.
- In M4, Barbaros's projection is now transparent (for clarity that it's a magical vision).
- In M4, finishing a side quest after 80% gate power should no longer reset fog back to normal.
- In M4, Reckoners should no longer retain any units besides Crystals and Sorcerers (becoming Felsworn) after the side quest is complete.
- Further increasing mana gained by Circles in M4 for sacrificing allies and especially dominated enemies. Previously finishing up the mission was taking too long. Mana for Gul'dan's own minions will remain the same, though.
- M2 succubi vision now uses unique models for each of the three characters.
- M2 bug with sleeping Vigilants is resolved.
- Found a better sky for M2 Legion ships vision.
- In M2, units now can't walk through Horde banners.
- Grommash in M1 should no longer cast Blood Fury. In return, beating him until he honors Arnak by pretending to be defeated now awards an achievement.
- In M2, attempting to avoid fighting at sea and letting Horde ships amass will now make them deploy much more troops from the sea. Eventually all guarding Boarders will join, and in the (unlikely) case of somehow surviving that, Velen will be bombarded every few seconds until he dies or the ships are destroyed.
- In M3 Ginghema's dying animation should no longer glitch.
- In M4, if Avelarii dies while orbital bombardment is in progress, the cinematic should no longer show it.
- Reduced the Ogrogeddon achievement (M3) kill requirement to 50, let's assume each ogre was two-headed to add up to a hundred.
- Fixed a but that prevented the final achievement for the secret ending from being achievable in M4.
KNOWN BUGS
- The game may sometimes choose to shut down all special effects. Reload the map for it to stop.
- Subtitles may disappear from the game (but still appear in log). Go to options, turn the subtitles off, then back on.
- Game may crash with "not enough memory" message. Relaunch with fewer background apps.
- Local files now include the installation instructions and REG file that enables them automatically.
- All missions are now locked from the beginning and are unlocked one by one, in order. NOTE: if you really wish to open them again for some reason, type UNLOCK in the Prologue.
- Each campaign chapter got a book near the start that contains a hint to an achievement that will unlock the secret ending. Book will not appear if the achievement is already earned.
- Fixed some in-game tooltips that had wrong color, duplications or unclear descriptions, as well as describing entities that didn't happen before the opening of the Dark Portal.
- Some orc death sounds replaced to be less vanilla.
VISUALS
- Horde got a new UI frame, made from scratch by Murlocogist.
- Added an experimental feature of hero glow. Type heroglow in chat to enable team-colored glow on all heroes and hero-like units. Type again to disable it. This effect is purely visual.
- Fixed more models of doodads and some portraits (missed last time) that caused lag spikes on 1.30 or higher.
- Succubi model portraits now have fangs, consistent with WoW.
- In cinematic close-up frames, using more detailed succubi models now.
- New icons for Maraad, Eye of Prophecy, Bonesplitter and Chainbreaker.
- Updated the glitchy texture and model of Orc Rallypoint Banner (and variants).
- Experimenting with armor type icons; we are trying to find the ones that are comprehensive and not 100% WoW-copied, replaced Divine and Unarmored to see how it goes.
- Orc Netherlord, Blackhand and Gul'dan models slightly revamped.
- Orc tower doodads (in M0) should no longer appear with pitch-black roofs in version 1.29 and above.
- Removed required attachments of large and medium from small heroes.
- Emporium no longer has its overhead Tesseract visual.
- Uncorrupted Spearmen no longer use wrongly-colored spears.
- Shattered Hand Venomblade now has a prosthetic hand as all male warriors do.
- Added a few more additional animations for Yrel.
- Warbringer model got slight texture fixes.
- Prelate got a new cape.
GAMEPLAY AND BALANCE
- Weakened the Clan Banner and Grog healing to 2% and 1% respectively; to compensate, increasing banner durability and decreasing barrel mana cost.
- Veinrender proc chance increased to 20%.
- For all current and future Attack type heroes (Slayer, Prelate and Butcher), Mana cost of their spells is reduced.
- Eyes summoned by Rogaar now damage structures as well.
SPECIFIC MISSIONS
- Epilogue got a post-credits scene answering one of the most frequent lore questions.
- Epilogue visuals revamped, including lighting, doodads, terrain, orc clan composition and Kilrogg model.
- Fixed M3 bug where Velen's cinematic could be played more than once.
- In M4, Barbaros's projection is now transparent (for clarity that it's a magical vision).
- In M4, finishing a side quest after 80% gate power should no longer reset fog back to normal.
- In M4, Reckoners should no longer retain any units besides Crystals and Sorcerers (becoming Felsworn) after the side quest is complete.
- Further increasing mana gained by Circles in M4 for sacrificing allies and especially dominated enemies. Previously finishing up the mission was taking too long. Mana for Gul'dan's own minions will remain the same, though.
- M2 succubi vision now uses unique models for each of the three characters.
- M2 bug with sleeping Vigilants is resolved.
- Found a better sky for M2 Legion ships vision.
- In M2, units now can't walk through Horde banners.
- Grommash in M1 should no longer cast Blood Fury. In return, beating him until he honors Arnak by pretending to be defeated now awards an achievement.
- In M2, attempting to avoid fighting at sea and letting Horde ships amass will now make them deploy much more troops from the sea. Eventually all guarding Boarders will join, and in the (unlikely) case of somehow surviving that, Velen will be bombarded every few seconds until he dies or the ships are destroyed.
- In M3 Ginghema's dying animation should no longer glitch.
- In M4, if Avelarii dies while orbital bombardment is in progress, the cinematic should no longer show it.
- Reduced the Ogrogeddon achievement (M3) kill requirement to 50, let's assume each ogre was two-headed to add up to a hundred.
- Fixed a but that prevented the final achievement for the secret ending from being achievable in M4.
KNOWN BUGS
- The game may sometimes choose to shut down all special effects. Reload the map for it to stop.
- Subtitles may disappear from the game (but still appear in log). Go to options, turn the subtitles off, then back on.
- Game may crash with "not enough memory" message. Relaunch with fewer background apps.
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so if i run 1.29.2 and all i see is green boxes is that normal
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I hope this works on 1.31.1
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I hope this works on 1.31.1
Update: no it doesnt, everything is a green box and just putting it in my files, it corrupted my save.
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Holy
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Frick
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The texture of the main character in the game is too similar to the terrain texture, it is easy to be blind, you have to make up the team. Can you modify the texture of the main character? As soon as I started playing, the protagonist was killed. This is a the player.
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"And so it begins. After 20 (!) years of development (and hanging in limbo), and 2 relaunches, Heart of Storms finally gets an open release - the Public Beta!"
"The whole Act I of the Heart of Storms campaign"
This does not sound at all optimistic and reminds me of another very good and original campaign by some Scandinavians with the same open end in development but mentioned indirectly but their version of the game is stable. There are wonderful campaigns on the site that are finished and work perfectly without their creators chasing the heights of perfection. Personally, I would delete the first quote entirely or rework it so that it doesn't make it clear that I'm more likely to not see this campaign completed than the other way around.
Some of you may have but I don't have another 20 years for Act II etc
take that literally. I hope you understand me correctly what I'm actually saying indirectly.
It is worthwhile for the entire permanent team to reflect on the following: 1. Can we finish this project and when? / 2. If we can't what else should we do to complete it as soon as possible (5 years) with minimum sacrifices (that means no less than 50%)? / 3. What can we improve on the game in the future after it is completely finished?
"The whole Act I of the Heart of Storms campaign"
This does not sound at all optimistic and reminds me of another very good and original campaign by some Scandinavians with the same open end in development but mentioned indirectly but their version of the game is stable. There are wonderful campaigns on the site that are finished and work perfectly without their creators chasing the heights of perfection. Personally, I would delete the first quote entirely or rework it so that it doesn't make it clear that I'm more likely to not see this campaign completed than the other way around.
It also reminds me of the band Wintersun, where the first album without any development, thinking and rethinking is a classic in the genre then they started to create (you mean to think, rethink, adjust, change, etc. to make the new album even better and even nicer) so that in 8-9 years we get a BIG nothing: the album will be in several parts and this is the first part of 4 songs which, on top of that, sound desperate.
Some of you may have but I don't have another 20 years for Act II etc
take that literally. I hope you understand me correctly what I'm actually saying indirectly.It is worthwhile for the entire permanent team to reflect on the following: 1. Can we finish this project and when? / 2. If we can't what else should we do to complete it as soon as possible (5 years) with minimum sacrifices (that means no less than 50%)? / 3. What can we improve on the game in the future after it is completely finished?
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Finally ! I am so excited to see this ! I will keep on looking forward to the map's new development ~
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Please put screenshots and copy the credits list as text in the map thread description.
Also credit everything else that's not just models, skins and icons like music and sounds you've used, anything that's not made by you.
Also credit everything else that's not just models, skins and icons like music and sounds you've used, anything that's not made by you.
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Thank you all :3
Do you mean Orgrim in the very beginning, or Arnak on the arena?
Good point, thanks) Will rephrase it now. Regarding the time it took, the development of Act I began exactly 2 years ago, and though some of the old HoS assets were used, most stuff was done from the ground up (in 2006/2017 versions we didn't even plan the Draenor part, and when the 2020 version's development began, we wanted to start right from Azeroth First and Second Wars interbellum, what will now be in Act II). Considering during these 2 years we also did 3 more races that will be featured in Act II (Humans, Dwarves and Goblins) it's safe to say HoS isn't that slow. But I see what you mean, so rewriting the intro)"And so it begins. After 20 (!) years of development (and hanging in limbo), and 2 relaunches, Heart of Storms finally gets an open release - the Public Beta!"
"The whole Act I of the Heart of Storms campaign"
This does not sound at all optimistic and reminds me of another very good and original campaign by some Scandinavians with the same open end in development but mentioned indirectly but their version of the game is stable. There are wonderful campaigns on the site that are finished and work perfectly without their creators chasing the heights of perfection. Personally, I would delete the first quote entirely or rework it so that it doesn't make it clear that I'm more likely to not see this campaign completed than the other way around.
It also reminds me of the band Wintersun, where the first album without any development, thinking and rethinking is a classic in the genre then they started to create (you mean to think, rethink, adjust, change, etc. to make the new album even better and even nicer) so that in 8-9 years we get a BIG nothing: the album will be in several parts and this is the first part of 4 songs which, on top of that, sound desperate.
Some of you may have but I don't have another 20 years for Act II etc
It is worthwhile for the entire permanent team to reflect on the following: 1. Can we finish this project and when? / 2. If we can't what else should we do to complete it as soon as possible (5 years) with minimum sacrifices (that means no less than 50%)? / 3. What can we improve on the game in the future after it is completely finished?
Thanks ))
Yes, will look into it. Will need to take more screens, and listing music and sounds right now. By the map thread description, do you mean the top post here? If there's a char limit, there's a possibility the list won't fit.
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ITS HAPPENING EVERYBODY ITS FKING HAPPENING STAY CLAM STAY FKING CALM !!!!!
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And that's without local files, which are like 900 more MB...
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Excuse me, I don't understand what this means "into game root; so that, for example, textures" should be in what folder?
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Before I install, do the local files only affect your campaign or do they prevent to play any other map/campaign and need to be uninstalled after I'm finished with HotS ?
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They will be working all the time unless deleted, though they would probably not affect the game too much as most assets do not replace default Wacraft III ones and use new paths (so only the game menu and some icons and sounds will be replaced).
Considering Warcraft III's relatively small size, I'd recommend making a standalone copy of clean game installation and use it for HoS only.
Considering Warcraft III's relatively small size, I'd recommend making a standalone copy of clean game installation and use it for HoS only.
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It's time!
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I am glad that I was wrong. Thank you for this, mate!
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Unfortunately 1.31 or 1.35 don't work.
I'm installing 1.27 now.
edit: OK 1.27 is working but its stretched. I guess it didnt work on 1.31 because I used local files?
I guess I should get 1.29 now^^
I'm installing 1.27 now.
edit: OK 1.27 is working but its stretched. I guess it didnt work on 1.31 because I used local files?
I guess I should get 1.29 now^^
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Trying to download the local files:
If they are .mpq based, I doubt it will work on post 1.29.2.
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Somehow the first thing I want to do here is port it to 1.35 
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Added a mirror on mega.nz for the local files!
Also added screenshots and a copy of credits, as per rules.
More versions = more people!
Also added screenshots and a copy of credits, as per rules.
That would be very nice (well, once 1.35 actually is released... aaaany day now... they promised...). But probably need to wait until release, when most or all bugs are fixed and last pieces are added.Somehow the first thing I want to do here is port it to 1.35
More versions = more people!
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chapter 1 crush after loading screen version 1.31
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It makes sense if that chapter asks for files that wont be anywhere but in the local files. Not all maps may need the same files i.e. AI scripts
I never used local files. Is there something to it beyond replacing the main menu and sharing data between campaigns?
I am asking to better understand the posible port to 1.35. Am I right that I could just extract all data from your mpq and local files and put them in the campaign and it would run out of the box as long as the file paths are correct?
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the prologue worked perfect so it doesn t make sence that the rest of the campaign doesn t
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Standalone campaign file (where everything's imported) is possible, will try to do that one too. The reasons local files are more preferable are that, in vanilla:
- Team colors require some weird stuff to update (with 1.29 new ones, became less relevant but will need some tinkering with triggers)
- UnitAckSound.slk file refuses to work when imported (and sometimes even in local files), which makes any custom unit voices unplayable
- Any texture updated via patch can (and often is) overridden by patch file
- WC3 has a very weird glitch where, if it cannot load the entire campaign file into memory at once, it will crash before it even shows you mission selection screen, the moment you choose that campaign in menu
1.35 will likely fix the last problem, the first one can be fixed in World Editor, the second one should be fixed in Reforged (just didn't test it yet), and the third one is rendered moot in 1.29.
So, for 1.35, there should be no issues with standalone campaign itself, but we have no idea if everything else will work fine. Importing everything from the local files into campaign itself should at least not break anything.
Importing anything from war3patch.mpq is not needed because everything is duplicated in local files. It's only there for the few files that refuse to work when imported/placed in game folder.
Thank you in advance for helping us with this very non-trivial task.
Did it generate an Error log in the Errors folder? That could help us get what went wrong.
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How to play this in widescreen? I can't find 1.29 anywhere
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1/10 21:27:15.743 GameMain Started
1/10 21:27:15.743 Command Line: "E:\Warcraft III\x86_64\Warcraft III.exe"
1/10 21:27:15.743 Current Directory: "E:\Warcraft III\x86_64"
1/10 21:27:16.866 Telemetry Launch Info:
<\Device\HarddiskVolume3\Warcraft III\x86_64\Warcraft III.exe,\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\explorer.exe5\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\System32\userinit.exe"W3XP*W3XP
1/10 21:28:00.642 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\B_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:01.580 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\A_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:04.212 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Cliff\D_Cliff0.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:07.355 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Splats\D_UndeadUberSplat.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:09.884 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 354, Height: 354
1/10 21:28:10.712 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 266, Height: 261
1/10 21:28:12.902 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\D_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:15.145 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 50, Height: 70
1/10 21:28:18.244 NGDP Diagnostic Log:
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: NGDP initialization - (archive: true, cache: false, Async: true)
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Initialization step - FETCHING_CDN_CONFIG
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1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: no patch configuration
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Prepatch
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Prepatch done
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.108:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
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1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.39:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
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1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.123:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.7:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
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1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 2.21.14.168:443 for server https://blzddist1-a.akamaihd.net/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 2.20.252.11:443 for server https://blzddist1-a.akamaihd.net/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.48:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.49:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.44:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.7:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.8:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.6:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
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this is the log error file
1/10 21:27:15.743 Command Line: "E:\Warcraft III\x86_64\Warcraft III.exe"
1/10 21:27:15.743 Current Directory: "E:\Warcraft III\x86_64"
1/10 21:27:16.866 Telemetry Launch Info:
<\Device\HarddiskVolume3\Warcraft III\x86_64\Warcraft III.exe,\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\explorer.exe5\Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\System32\userinit.exe"W3XP*W3XP
1/10 21:28:00.642 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\B_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:01.580 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\A_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:04.212 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Cliff\D_Cliff0.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:07.355 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Splats\D_UndeadUberSplat.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:09.884 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 354, Height: 354
1/10 21:28:10.712 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 266, Height: 261
1/10 21:28:12.902 Accessed Deprecated MPQ for file: ReplaceableTextures\Water\D_Water00.blp Please import the file into your map to ensure it is available in the future.
1/10 21:28:15.145 Gx - Texture Width & Height should both be multiple of 4, otherwise there could be wrong behaviors
Current Width: 50, Height: 70
1/10 21:28:18.244 NGDP Diagnostic Log:
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: NGDP initialization - (archive: true, cache: false, Async: true)
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Initialization step - FETCHING_CDN_CONFIG
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Initialization step - FETCHING_BUILD_CONFIG
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: no patch configuration
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Prepatch
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {1bbc} INF: Prepatch done
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.108:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.121:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.122:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.109:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.39:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.120:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.123:80 for server http://level3.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.7:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.8:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.6:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.1:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.3:80 for server http://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
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1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 2.21.14.168:443 for server https://blzddist1-a.akamaihd.net/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 2.20.252.11:443 for server https://blzddist1-a.akamaihd.net/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.48:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.49:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 213.158.175.44:443 for server https://level3.ssl.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.7:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.8:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.6:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.1:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.3:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.5:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
1/10 21:28:18.244 [20230110T21:27:16] {2380} INF: adding network address 137.221.64.4:443 for server https://us.cdn.blizzard.com/
this is the log error file
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Curious... Like... Does it crash because it can't find the older versions of assets? Although timing marks say it's not the problem, since the game worked after that.
Thanks for sharing. Will very likely need to research how older WC3 versions even behave here.
Not sure if there even is a widescreen option/support in WC3 until that version.How to play this in widescreen? I can't find 1.29 anywhere
Any chance a client can be found here: WC3 Download Archive (1.00 - 1.31.1 + BETA & DEMO) ?
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Congratulations with release! Even this is public beta, this is still something!
A quite an achievement!
A quite an achievement!
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Got it Will have a quick look now and might stream it in the near future. Any creator care to join my stream to talk about it?
Will have a quick look now and might stream it in the near future. Any creator care to join my stream to talk about it?- Get 1.29
- Copy local files
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The idea of streaming HoS is quite interesting, we'd be grateful if you looked into it)Got it
View attachment 419373
Not sure if I can join you on a live stream though, due to a number of issues( Perhaps you could instead ask people in chat what they want to know about the project, and we would answer them in text form?
And thank you!
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Doesn't work for me in my 1.30 version and there are too many bugs in the company
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I can't play the fifth mission.If click the fifth mission, it will return to main menu.
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That is a bug we thought 1.27 and onwards fixed, please tell us your version.
We will try to add an insurance to full release, just in case.
Did everything else (besides the final cinematic) work as intended?
Well, 1.30 is not officially supported. That it even launched on that version is more than expected.
On 1.27b and 1.29.2 it should work fine.
If you get any issues there, please tell us.
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greetings rommel. i remember watching the original works and teasers a long while back [on samods/ campaign creations i believe?]. welcome back. 1 heck of a project. thank you for the guides and reccomendations. i will try to test this chonky beast asap. absoloutly mind blowing stuff. bravo to you and the rest of the benefactors
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Just finished this campaign on hard. FYI for others, it is not my first swing with this.
Lets start with the good. It is beautiful. It is the pristine art quality that I have come to expect from modern custom campaigns. Impressive stuff.
Most of it works fine on 1.27 with the local files setup. Which is an impressive feat when smaller campaigns have made that version cry on my PC.
What does not work is the epilogue. It just skips, regardless of how I launch it. As others have mentioned.
As for gameplay:
It is great to see this campaign finally come through after so long. I look forward to other parts.
Lets start with the good. It is beautiful. It is the pristine art quality that I have come to expect from modern custom campaigns. Impressive stuff.
Most of it works fine on 1.27 with the local files setup. Which is an impressive feat when smaller campaigns have made that version cry on my PC.
What does not work is the epilogue. It just skips, regardless of how I launch it. As others have mentioned.
As for gameplay:
There is way too much blabbering going on. It becomes tedious to figure out which dialogues are important and which are just the miscellaneous stuff. I would probably turn it down a notch.
Speaking of turning down, Peacekeepers and Argunite Batteries are quite loud.
Speaking of turning down, Peacekeepers and Argunite Batteries are quite loud.
I really consider this a really strong start. It is a neat mechanic with arming the slaves. That being said, all parts of this campaign suffers from an extreme upfront difficulty spike and this is certainly the case here. Until you reach level 2 it is razors edge with the hero's health. Then Wulnar learns healing ward, and the entire party becomes immortal... basically.
It is pretty much suicide to try and complete any of the side missions before you get to that point.
Still, no noteworthy bugs or issues that I found. Good job
It is pretty much suicide to try and complete any of the side missions before you get to that point.
Still, no noteworthy bugs or issues that I found. Good job
Just as before this map has huge upfront difficulty spike. I would place the first holdout as being 3-4 times harder than any other part of this map. Including the end which is honestly a snooze fest in comparison.
I am not a fan of Maraad's death being a lose condition if he isn't marked as a hero
I am not a fan of Maraad's death being a lose condition if he isn't marked as a hero
As others have mentioned, getting the full tech tree right out the gate is brutal. I don’t consider this a proper way to introduce your campaigns macro mechanics. Not here, not ever.
The map is also massive, but not very good at giving directions. And then there is the need to manage your ally, and manage the boat attacks. If this map had a third of the things going on, it would still be completely overwhelming as the introductory macro mission.
I also really really hate the use of one-way teleporters. Lets call it Arkain PTSD.
In the end, all this complexity… is shallow. Draenei has a one-tool for all tasks and they are called Rangari. One supply archers with frost arrows and critical strike. Just spam those. Leave 5 of them at each of the bays to hold off the boats. Once the defense is stable max arakoa for the boats and then use them to roll over the orcs.
This is the equivalent of a Starcraft 2 mission that does everything in it’s power to force you to turtle with marines until you got a max army of Battlecruisers. Not fond of this design at all.
Phase 2 works fine.
For phase 3 I am not a fan of a no-build segment being dependent on the upgrades I made (and especially didn’t make) during phase 1.
The map is also massive, but not very good at giving directions. And then there is the need to manage your ally, and manage the boat attacks. If this map had a third of the things going on, it would still be completely overwhelming as the introductory macro mission.
I also really really hate the use of one-way teleporters. Lets call it Arkain PTSD.
In the end, all this complexity… is shallow. Draenei has a one-tool for all tasks and they are called Rangari. One supply archers with frost arrows and critical strike. Just spam those. Leave 5 of them at each of the bays to hold off the boats. Once the defense is stable max arakoa for the boats and then use them to roll over the orcs.
This is the equivalent of a Starcraft 2 mission that does everything in it’s power to force you to turtle with marines until you got a max army of Battlecruisers. Not fond of this design at all.
Phase 2 works fine.
For phase 3 I am not a fan of a no-build segment being dependent on the upgrades I made (and especially didn’t make) during phase 1.
This map would have worked much better as the introductory macro mission. By design, it opens up tech at a smooth pace, letting you get access to it, little by little.
For the starting phase, it really isn’t explained that killing flamebringers provides an additional Lucent.
The Bladespire clan seems very weak. In a previous playthrough they got stomped on their own without me needing to touch a finger for that. Now as I choose to let them be my ally, they still needed a lot of assistance to hold the line.
The Arnak side mission is… weird. It is marked as optional, but the final stage of the main mission cannot be reached without it. Firstly you got to kill all his forces on the island. On the mission that provided a large naval siege weapon with 4000 range. Yea that is trivial.
Then the legion sends attack waves toward him. No actually they send waves towards your base. Supposedly they are going after Arnak…. who is on a separate island.
The last weirdness is that if you start the mission after completing the 3 sideclans then you got both the legion and the highmaul charging your main base relentlessly… except they aren’t allied so it turns into a FFA outside your camp while you get to pick off the scraps of survivors.
Wierd map, but enjoyable nonetheless.
For the starting phase, it really isn’t explained that killing flamebringers provides an additional Lucent.
The Bladespire clan seems very weak. In a previous playthrough they got stomped on their own without me needing to touch a finger for that. Now as I choose to let them be my ally, they still needed a lot of assistance to hold the line.
The Arnak side mission is… weird. It is marked as optional, but the final stage of the main mission cannot be reached without it. Firstly you got to kill all his forces on the island. On the mission that provided a large naval siege weapon with 4000 range. Yea that is trivial.
Then the legion sends attack waves toward him. No actually they send waves towards your base. Supposedly they are going after Arnak…. who is on a separate island.
The last weirdness is that if you start the mission after completing the 3 sideclans then you got both the legion and the highmaul charging your main base relentlessly… except they aren’t allied so it turns into a FFA outside your camp while you get to pick off the scraps of survivors.
Wierd map, but enjoyable nonetheless.
This map is bad. I don’t have kinder words to say about it. In previous versions my assessment of this map was borderline unplayable, so it has improved. That does not make it good yet.
Firstly, you know what I am going to say at this point. Extreme upfront difficulty. 0/0 vs 3/3… thanks a lot. Four different attack routes that needs to be covered, miles apart, plus the occasional air waves.
Then there is all the allies that needs to be babysit. With 2 different sides objectives to complete on their own.
I believe there is a bug with Rogaar and Garona, where in if they kill Ghaled but not the rest of his party, they are not teleported to safety, but must instead be ressed without an option to complete their mission.
The biggest sin of all for this map though? Once it is all done, once the upgrades are caught up, once there is a critical mass of towers, the map is boring as hell. It is literally just a hold-out against the Draenei while you rally enough workers into the circles to reach max energy. It is not very well advertised what metric gives most energy, but workers wins on most of the metrics per cost anyway. It takes forever. My final playtime for this mission was 3 hours in-game. Not counting resets. Everything was mined out.
I don’t understand why the eyes of Kill’rog works differently to the Eyes made in Chapter 2. This campaign has enough of a problem with it’s steep learning curves. Inconsistency is not really needed at this point.
I would also really prefer if Guldan wasn’t teleported to the center after the phase 2 end cutscene. Yes, that is where stuff happens, but the place is also completely uncovered by the time I reached max energy, so had to rush Guldan to safety from attacking forces after that.
Firstly, you know what I am going to say at this point. Extreme upfront difficulty. 0/0 vs 3/3… thanks a lot. Four different attack routes that needs to be covered, miles apart, plus the occasional air waves.
Then there is all the allies that needs to be babysit. With 2 different sides objectives to complete on their own.
I believe there is a bug with Rogaar and Garona, where in if they kill Ghaled but not the rest of his party, they are not teleported to safety, but must instead be ressed without an option to complete their mission.
The biggest sin of all for this map though? Once it is all done, once the upgrades are caught up, once there is a critical mass of towers, the map is boring as hell. It is literally just a hold-out against the Draenei while you rally enough workers into the circles to reach max energy. It is not very well advertised what metric gives most energy, but workers wins on most of the metrics per cost anyway. It takes forever. My final playtime for this mission was 3 hours in-game. Not counting resets. Everything was mined out.
I don’t understand why the eyes of Kill’rog works differently to the Eyes made in Chapter 2. This campaign has enough of a problem with it’s steep learning curves. Inconsistency is not really needed at this point.
I would also really prefer if Guldan wasn’t teleported to the center after the phase 2 end cutscene. Yes, that is where stuff happens, but the place is also completely uncovered by the time I reached max energy, so had to rush Guldan to safety from attacking forces after that.
It is great to see this campaign finally come through after so long. I look forward to other parts.
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Thank you
Your feedback was invaluable to make it see the release.The skipping epilogue we seemed to pinpoint to the importing issue, it works for some people but not others. Today we made a fix that should remedy it; if it proves well, will upload an intermediate patched version.
Rangari were weakened a little, so they aren't that imbalanced (Draenei are rather powerful already with their heavy hitters and healers, and the vehicles/towers mechanic that no other faction has, so there are many ways to steamroll this mission), will tweak them again if they turn out better than everything else. Maybe keep them powerful, but make them more expensive.
For chapter 3, IIRC the side quest of Agony is not mandatory (there's even a change of some cutscenes if it's not done), but if it's problematic to reach the final base without it, will investigate (the fel mist is rather narrow, we hoped one can just run quickly through it, it's the force wall that won't let player pass until the final phase).
Ironically, with that quest we originally wanted to send waves onto the island, but turned out that sudden shock of having to defend it (with likely little to no troops brought in advance) was far worse than confusion over why would the demons attack on land.
Chapter 4 is a weirder case, we tried to improve it, but it was too late into production to revamp it from scratch without also making it lose something of value. Hopefully can think of a better way to make it more enjoyable. At least AI and mass sacrifice took a bit of stress off.
One of the core ideas with this mission is that, as per Gul'dan being a villain surrounded by expendable minions (or so he thinks), the player has to first play it as normal before getting a good defense and completing optional quests, and then just sacrifice basically everything that's not being used at the current moment. Summon some succubi, have them hijack some attacking draenei, then toss all into a circle. Allied player has a surplus of units and not being attacked (this is more true for the Twilight's Hammer who's more out of harm's way than Blackrocks) - grab them and sacrifice them. In fact, the third allied base you gain after Cho'gall's quest is supposed to be little more than a source of fuel for the circles. At least that's how it plays on Normal, Hard may be hard indeed.
The bug I'll take a look at tonight, should be something simple.
And thanks again for the feedback and the time you put into testing our campaign! It's very much appreciated, and will be put to a good use in preparing the next version, and next chapters).
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Okay, I can tell the problems with this idea.
There are 3 primary threats from the Draenei that makes this map hard (You know besides the infinite attack angles and severe initial upgrade disparity).
- Eye of Angari, which can vaporize circles in seconds, if unattended. They are mechanical so no charming them
- Argunite Batteries, which will raze your base. Mechanical, no charming.
- Vindicators. They are resistant. No charming.
Secondly to that "Sacrifice anything not nailed down mentality", Gul'dan learns (as will you) that phase 3 does not mean the Draenei lets down. Infact I think they double their efforts. And now the demon-summoning circles are gone. So if you didn't keep an Army around, you will live to regret it. Mostly through a reset.
I can say that the Ogres were not my sacrifice. They were my Vanguard. While 5 level 10 heroes at my base were desperately holding the line, they used their powerful siege tools to erase the main hall.
Here is what I would suggest:
- Give a message (and apply of course) that allied units and charmed enemies gives more energy compared to player-owned units. Maybe a 1.5-2 multiplier for allied and a 50-100 multiplier for charmed enemies (I am serious btw). Again, I haven't checked what the current numbers looks like, but this is the range I would think is needed for it to be worth the effort. This mission got a lot of bloat time to cut away.
- Give Guldans warlocks the better Eye of Kill'rog. Set and forget scouting is way stronger than another way of sacrificing units, how does Guldan get a worse deal than random server warlocks? Regardless it will be shot down the first time a rangari walks by, it is not that braindead.
- Maybe raise the range of the circles to cover more of the base. It is not like there is any enemy infrastruture that can get hurt by such a change. You might have to add an enemy cost on the infernal spawn. That being free seems unintended regardless. Full base imps might also be too strong.
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ok bro
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In which mission Ogres race can be played?
