Techtree Contest #5 - Innovation

Pharaoh_ · Jul 24, 2011

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Themed!

Innovation
Contestants are to create a whole new race for Warcraft III melee gaming.
There are no limitations in this contest, so try to be as creative as possible!

No submission may violate any of the site rules.
If a submission does not follow the map submission rules the creator will be disqualified.
Your submission must be posted before the deadline. The post containing your final submission must also contain the following:
- Several screenshots of race in action.
- The file in the appropriate format.
You must show at least one unfinished preview of your submission, before the deadline, as proof that it’s yours.
Your final submission must be bug free enough to test and play.
Teamwork is not allowed.
- Finding testers to help you with your submission is not considered teamwork.
Imports may be used in the map, however they must all be credited.
The features that may be edited are:
- Gameplay constants
- Game interface
- Object editor
- Trigger editor
- Sound editor
The map's terrain may not be edited. The current four melee races may not be edited; copy and paste the default units you are about to edit.
Participants must download the (to be provided) template map, edit it and then resubmit it as their entry.
The resulting map may not exceed 5 MB in size.
Your submission may not be started before the official launch of the contest.

First Place: 50 reputation points and a special award icon

Second Place: 35 reputation points

Third Place: 20 reputation points

GhostThruster
Tell us if you want to judge!

Gameplay	How fun the gameplay is; does the race itself offer various features to experiment with?	/10
Balance	How easily can the race stand against the default races? Is it particularly easy to wipe out or too hard to confront?	/10
The Legion	Are the roles of the warriors shared in a flat manner, are they getting too repetitive or each of them plays a unique and significant role in the battlegrounds?	/10
Originality	How creative is the race from every aspect, technical & conceptual?	/10
Appearance	Does the final output look good? How well do the models bind with each other, resulting the proper feel of an actual race? Does it look like a simple race-edit?	/10

70 % of the winner shall be determined by the contest's appointed judge(s).
30 % of the winner shall be determined by the results of a public poll.

The contest shall begin on 25th July 2011 and conclude on 6th October 2011, 11:59 PM GMT

PeaceKeeper · Jul 25, 2011

Jazztastic · Jul 25, 2011

Umm, I'm definitely doing this

eubz · Jul 25, 2011

Wow, this is good... I think I'm joining. too.

VeljkoM · Jul 25, 2011

5 MB for one race? A bit of an overkill. Not sure will I be joining but will still try.

Bannar · Jul 25, 2011

FREE race omg! Thats it

By the way we are doing just race - that doesn't mean that we have create new models/icons etc but we can base on imports/ingame ones yes?

Pharaoh_ · Jul 25, 2011

Spinnaker said:
FREE race omg! Thats it
By the way we are doing just race - that doesn't mean that we have create new models/icons etc but we can base on imports/ingame ones yes?

That's right.

People barely make use of the maximum size potential, Veljkom

Ketsuno Anson · Jul 25, 2011

A full race of ponies,all custom models!

Skycraft · Jul 25, 2011

I'll probably do a Goblin race :3

EDIT: Nah screw it.
I'll join with Goblins!

Wraithling · Jul 25, 2011

Ketsuno Anson said:
A full race of ponies,all custom models!

Make it. +1

Ketsuno Anson · Jul 25, 2011

I would if I had the time :/

Wraithling · Jul 25, 2011

Time bends for you Mr. Ketsuno, if you have the will to make it.

Ketsuno Anson · Jul 25, 2011

Too lazy

Sage Chow · Jul 25, 2011

Subscribing and entering

Depending on how much time I can make available, I'll make a smaller scale tech-tree with less fireworks. Anyways! Preparing to spam the thread!

*Opens the map* 0_0 Damn! That is one depressing tileset! And all that damned water! This would have been great last time, but.. seriously.. there's so little room to display my buildings.. Okay, I'm done ranting now. On second look it isn't bad at all.. i'll leave my little outburst for the lulz. Plus, with that 5 MB, I could simply import new tiles

Important Note: Please don't forget to edit the Map Description (under scenario). This way we will know which map belongs to whom during the testing phase, ages from now =P

Deeh · Jul 25, 2011

Cool contest...
I am beginner yet, but I'll try something...

EDIT: So, I need create new models with sounds, edit images and all the spells and abilities? lol

Wazzz · Jul 25, 2011

hmm... the hardest part will be choosing a race...
although I'm thinking of going Demons, got some ideas for them already ^^

looking forward to seeing some creative submitions!
hopefully uni work doesn't kick up as i work on this herp

ashbringer753 · Jul 25, 2011

does the race have to be in a naga-like template or a normal race template?

Edit: Medieval Race coming soon.

Skycraft · Jul 25, 2011

You can make it however you want.
There are no restrictions.

Amargaard · Jul 25, 2011

Exciting, I wish good luck to all contestants!

Gausslander · Jul 25, 2011

How would the player access this race in-game, if you don't mind me asking? You said we can't edit any melee units. That doesn't make any sense... unless you want us to make a whole system for selecting the races in-game.

Silly Lil Ant · Jul 25, 2011

Nom nom nom nom, I do believe I shall enter.. that is if I don't get distracted. I always seem to get something happen that stops me from finishing. Anyway I have got a perfect idea for ... oOo a Butterfly

wait what was I saying?!

Deeh · Jul 25, 2011

Gausslander said:
How would the player access this race in-game, if you don't mind me asking? You said we can't edit any melee units. That doesn't make any sense... unless you want us to make a whole system for selecting the races in-game.

I was thinking of that...

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

Gausslander said:
How would the player access this race in-game, if you don't mind me asking? You said we can't edit any melee units. That doesn't make any sense... unless you want us to make a whole system for selecting the races in-game.

he means you can't overwrite the current melee races
didn't you read the part where he said to copy and past the melee units if you wish to edit them?

Crazed_seal2 · Jul 26, 2011

Hmm... Im leaning towards entering... I already have an idea... Just executing that idea is the hard part.

Btw. May we make an AI for our custom race... Lets say that you want to play against them?

Marcelo Hossomi · Jul 26, 2011

May I use one of the ideas I had for one of these contests? I couldn't even finish that entry, anyway.
The whole race and theme will be different, of course.

Crazed_seal2 · Jul 26, 2011

You may use the idea... Just not the actual work.

Death_Nevermore · Jul 26, 2011

This shall prove to be very interesting

Bugz · Jul 26, 2011

Entering with panda race.!

eubz · Jul 26, 2011

I'm going with spiders or gnolls maybe...

Skycraft · Jul 26, 2011

Gausslander said:
How would the player access this race in-game, if you don't mind me asking? You said we can't edit any melee units. That doesn't make any sense... unless you want us to make a whole system for selecting the races in-game.

Well there is a tutorial on it, if you didn't check.

-> Making a Full-working Custom Race <-

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

alternatively, this is the system we've used for every other contest so far:
SHEZAM

ADDITIONAL: here comes first wips for the contest!

The theme for my Demons is a little less standard than most Demon races. Inspired originally by the presence of Power Generators in Outland and then even further by the original lore of 'Heroes of Might and Magic' and 'Might and Magic' (for the Kreegans), these Demons have a slightly more technological aspect to them, while still being competed with by medieval sort of fantasy thingydos.

Rather than using 'magic' in the traditional sense, their 'magic' is combined with technology and them being 'magical' (more so on account of their physiology).

Anyway, as the lore is not an important part of the contest, the idea of these units and buildings so far is that the Power Generator will provide mana for nearby buildings, allowing them to regenerate shields (without Power Generators, shields cannot be regenerated) as well as use certain abilities depending on what the building is.

For example, the Demon Gate will only be able to produce units with a cost to mana. Without the appropriate amount of mana, the production will be cancelled until mana is sufficient. I am also thinking that the Demon Gate may NOT have shields, but that is to be determined.

In the case of the Bastion (as shown in the picture, credits to Frankster for his model), it will be able to boost the armor of nearby units by a significant amount, but while this aura is activated it will lose mana over time. In essence, it is tapping into its own shields to provide shielding for nearby allied units.

VeljkoM · Jul 26, 2011

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...es-2-3-a-186851/?prev=search=race&d=list&r=20 better use this then that tutorial. And I doubt I'll be in the contest.

Skycraft · Jul 26, 2011

Yeah I know, was just a suggestion.
I'll post a wip of my goblin's sooooon. :3

EDIT: Added screenshot of my progress.

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

VeljkoM said:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...es-2-3-a-186851/?prev=search=race&d=list&r=20 better use this then that tutorial. And I doubt I'll be in the contest.

yea, that's the one i linked, it's a good link so i agree with you

Skycraft said:
Yeah I know, was just a suggestion.
I'll post a wip of my goblin's sooooon. :3

EDIT: Added screenshot of my progress.

so, you said you wanted a race without many imports, and yet 2 5ths of your race so far is imports. i'm beginning to think you were being sarcastic, you sarcastic poopoo.

looks good so far, wouldn't have used goblin shredder as a builder myself, which is why i'm liking your ideas so far (stuff i wouldn't come up with, keeps things fresh)

Crazed_seal2 · Jul 26, 2011

Hmmm. Those look nice :ogre_rage:

Heres my Whip

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

If no one objects, I'd like to judge.

Bugz · Jul 26, 2011

If i dont got time, i would like to judge aswell

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

i object to both of you
i have it on good authority that you do not know that spiders are animals

Sky Green · Jul 26, 2011

Finally someone makin void race! Hope it wins

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

*Unless someone who isn't biased to a stupid post objects, then I'd like to judge

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

'wanting' to judge and being qualified to judge are two different things, anne frankly, i don't think you got the beans

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

'thinking' and 'knowing' are two different things, if pharaoh thinks im up for it he'll appoint me, if not idc. And what i was trying to say was not if spiders were animals, it was more of a question of would spiders qualify as animalistic for the contest, since i cant really imagine a human/spider

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

you can't imagine a human/spider?
i suppose i can't imagine a drider myself either, come to think of it
you shall prove your worth by judging the current whips

Bugz · Jul 26, 2011

Two different contests..

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

Wazzz said:
you can't imagine a human/spider?
i suppose i can't imagine a drider myself either, come to think of it
you shall prove your worth by judging the current whips

Well right now all i can judge is visual appeal, more then half the preferences is in-game judging.

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

ah but that's where you're wrong
i have presented sufficient information on my planned features in my wip given the current stage in development
from this information along you can get an idea of where i may or may not be going, and give an opinion on where it is, outlining what you forsee as potential outcomes from such a system
the system is also very basic, so you should be able to come up with some various ideas as to how i will put it all together and hopefully produce a satisfactory final product

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

One question, the Heretic is a builder and a spell caster? So the basic builder can be used to fight with?

Gameplay	A race like that would require a lot awareness. You would need a good understanding of that race, and other races. Could potentially be quite fun to play, however someone uneducated with the class would have trouble, and to that person, the race will not be enjoyable. Someone who doesnt understand the mana system will start training, let it sit, not notice its out of mana and waste a few minutes which is crucial in a Melee map.	7/10
Balance	A race like this with a custom system could sway both directions, It could easily be under powered if mana amounts are low, or if the mana cost of a unit, compared to its usefulness is bad. Also it could be very over powered, better units that are easier to get, throwing down your town hall next to an enemies base, and spamming units with protection from the town hall.	5/10
The Legion	Looking at your first 2 units i believe that there will potentially be a strong synergy between all the units, each having its own special role.	8/10
Originality	I have seen Demon races for a long time, its a dead race, over used and remade to death. However with your custom system and a more intelligent demon race makes it a neat idea.	6/10
Appearance	The town hall is a little overkill in my opinion, but if you must use it then I'd say make the scale value a little smaller. For the generator its a bit too small for its ground texture so increasing that scaling value to make it look better. That 'demon gate' you are making puts an image in my mind that does not look good for a unit barracks, the name throws it off a little bit maybe something like demon portal would work better.	5/10

Gameplay	The goblin race seems like a demoted orc race, i dont see very interesting game play with what you have so far.	3/10
Balance	Not enough information to tell whether it will be balanced but a basic melee, and a basic ranged, could be balanced. The heroes seem to be strength heavy so not as much damage but good tanking. If the pyro doesnt have godlike range for a flame thrower then i can see this getting more balanced (Lulz)	5.99999/10
The Legion	A little more constant with the ogres, adding a ogre hero. I still think it breaks your theme but if you are being consistent then your units may be better.	4/10
Originality	Just a goblin race, not much creativity in normal goblin race, I'd need to see more.	4/10
Appearance	Looks good, i like the models, a little more consistent with the ogres but still doesn't look like it fits.. And your food producer is too big for its ground texture, you should give that a little size nerf.	5/10

Wazzz · Jul 26, 2011

as it stands, yes, not sure whether or not I will change that later on
the key idea behind this is i intend to make both the starting low tier units melee, meaning that there is no early ranged unit for the demons (kind of obvious, but also a problem in some respects)
so i decided on the heretic for now, which may end up being a regular ranged fighter rather than a caster, but that will be determined later on (depends on what other units I wish to include)

InfinateAnswers · Jul 26, 2011

Updated post with your pre-judging, ill examine the other 2 wips and see if i can extract them like i did yours

Skycraft · Jul 26, 2011

I shall now reveal three of my heroes.. and other stuff.

Things you see in the images may be changed in future.

EDIT: Removed stuff for some reason.
Forgot why but oh well.

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