Techtree Contest #4 - Improved Melee Race

[InfinateAnswers]

Oh i didnt think of that. Good point.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Dragons forming a new race is out the contest's theme, so in the "Philosophy" criterium it would be 0/5, which causes elimination from the contest, simply because the dragonic race is not having an obvious "parental" race; does it derive from humans/orcs/..? So, what Debode said is right.

The appearance of the race must not be a lot different than the original one.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Same models can be used, just different names and ideas right?

Edit: Also, how do you overide the yellow color of the text when you return gold to the main building.

 

[Pharaoh_]

For the gold issue, you can't it's hardcoded, you need a custom gold return system.
The same models can be used, yes, but that's not creative.

 

[Laserdude]

So, how does half-blood orc/ogres lead by heroes like Rexxar with Orc Peon (Slaves?) as builders and units such as tauren mages and an exclusion of the trolls sound to you?

 

[InfinateAnswers]

For the gold issue, you can't it's hardcoded, you need a custom gold return system.
The same models can be used, yes, but that's not creative.

Im sorry that i dont know how to create models. Lol. And if i imported all my units models, then it would easily exceed 3mb

 

[Pharaoh_]

You can use Hive resources too, you know

 

[VeljkoM]

Improvise with attachments. Its not much but at least can make some difference.

 

[Midnighters]

Can I create a Skeleton race? or would that not be allowed, I am still a little confused on what is needed.

 

[Wraithling]

Contestants are to create an improved or at least an alternate version of the current Warcraft 3 races, be it Human/ Orc/ Undead/ Night Elf/ Naga.

Midnighters, you can't create a skeleton race as that would be outside the theme.

Basically we are to take one of blizzard's current races and redesign it. The Blizzard's Undead race for instance, do not entirely consist of skeletons, but also has zombies, vampires, liches, and ghosts. So, an exclusively skeleton race would probably not qualify for blizzard's core design of what an Undead race is, and therefore does not match the contest's theme.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

besides, skeletons dont raise themselve.

 

[Midnighters]

How do you know IA! I won;t won't be joining.

 

[Marcelo Hossomi]

I was just kidding about hacking the game, but I've looked at previous contests as you suggested and got it
Now time to work \o/

I think I'm gonna mix druids with ents - they seem to go well together...
Do new heroes must exist in the warcraft lore? That is, in melee games the heroes are not characters of warcraft 3 lore at all...

 

[Mephestrial]

As soon as I figure out what main race I want to work from I'm in.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Well i might join but someone should clarify:

1. Can we use custom resources? (models/skins)
2. Can we use triggered spells? (GUI/Jass/vJass)
3. Are there any other judges or is this gonna take more than half a year again?

Also adding a cinematic to introduce my race would be "legal"?

 

[InfinateAnswers]

1.)Yes
2.)yes
3.)no

No, is there a cinematic when you play ladder games? You can type a background on your race when you turn in ur submission.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

1.)Yes
2.)yes
3.)no

No, is there a cinematic when you play ladder games? You can type a background on your race when you turn in ur submission.

1.YAY
2.AWESOME
3.LOL

Hmmm the judges will read that?

Im in i guess. With something like the Humans of Lordaeron after the Scourge ****ed that place.

 

[Deolrin]

I think I'm gonna mix druids with ents - they seem to go well together...
Do new heroes must exist in the warcraft lore? That is, in melee games the heroes are not characters of warcraft 3 lore at all...

Demon Hunter - Illidan
Priestss of the Moon - Tyrande
Keeper of the Grove - Cenarius
Warden - Maiev

What's your point?

Anyways, I believe you shouldn't really copy the old race's heroes as that would be sort of lame.

 

[Wazzz]

Bad ass, this contest finally got going, did it? =D
Well, I'm starting my work on the Evil Humans (or perhaps they are just the Socially Misunderstood Humans?), hopefully I'll get an awesome result =D

Good luck everyone =D

 

[Oziris]

I've wrote above/under the units what they were and could someone tell me if I'm going in the right direction? Also, do heroes have to be from the WC3/WoW lore or can we make something up?

 

[Laserdude]

I've wrote above/under the units what they were and could someone tell me if I'm going in the right direction? Also, do heroes have to be from the WC3/WoW lore or can we make something up?

I guess that if you are using the same abilitys on the units, it would be lame, but if you were making some changes to those units, the name, the abilitys and the hp, and keep the original "setup" (Ranged Troop=Crypt Fiend/Skeleton Archer, Tank=Abomination/Mega Skeleton).
I guess that should work, and you could also add new units which does not exist, for example, keep the 2 original undead spellcasters and add a skeleton spellcaster.
That is, if I have understood the confusing rules.

 

[Wazzz]

Is there a minimal number of content we have to put into our race, btw? For example, how many units should we have as a minimum? Atm I don't have too many, will be coming up with more (and if I can't I'll just change my race, still early in the comp ), but I don't really plan on making too many units, you know? Keeping true to the campaign race feel more than anything

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Is there a minimal number of content we have to put into our race, btw? For example, how many units should we have as a minimum? Atm I don't have too many, will be coming up with more (and if I can't I'll just change my race, still early in the comp ), but I don't really plan on making too many units, you know? Keeping true to the campaign race feel more than anything

I think we have to make it about the same number of units the original races have.

 

[Wazzz]

Really? Well that's the gay, I'll just make less units because I'm awesome like that (might include another race as a sub-race, but don't know what to make it atm :/)

 

[Skycraft]

I think I'm doing it right so far. Here's my first WIP if I am.
Fel orc race ftw!

Btw, do I have to post a screenshot or my map? o.o

 

[Pharaoh_]

Well i might join but someone should clarify:

1. Can we use custom resources? (models/skins)
2. Can we use triggered spells? (GUI/Jass/vJass)
3. Are there any other judges or is this gonna take more than half a year again?

Also adding a cinematic to introduce my race would be "legal"?

I am not against the cinematic, at all, if you think that the gameplay can't depict the epic feeling you want to engulf your race into, but know that I won't judge it, at all. So yes, you can use a cinematic, but make it escapeable, so that, if a user presses the escape button, they can exit the cinematic.

I've wrote above/under the units what they were and could someone tell me if I'm going in the right direction? Also, do heroes have to be from the WC3/WoW lore or can we make something up?

You cannot make things up, the names of units must tally with lore's names. It's listed in the most important quotes of the first post of this thread
You can add as many unit-types as you want, before the gameplay is affected by the vague options a player can have. Keep strategy in mind, you are building a whole new race with pre-existent concept, how would you represent that?

Is there a minimal number of content we have to put into our race, btw? For example, how many units should we have as a minimum? Atm I don't have too many, will be coming up with more (and if I can't I'll just change my race, still early in the comp ), but I don't really plan on making too many units, you know? Keeping true to the campaign race feel more than anything

I will reply to you with a quote of mine:

• You are allowed to add many unit-types, so that you seemingly have a vast army to pick from, but if they are too many, you doom your points in Strategy and Gameplay, because Strategy gets ruined, since there are way too many options to choose from, which blocks the player from deciding, while Gameplay becomes complex.

I think I'm doing it right so far. Here's my first WIP if I am.
Fel orc race ftw!

Btw, do I have to post a screenshot or my map? o.o

Post anything you like, but I would like to see some screenshots too.

 

[Wazzz]

Ahk cool, so I can have as many or as little units as I desire =D
I notice that strategy is going to be taken into account, so hopefully my ideas (despite the low variety of units ) will create a decent amount of strategy ingame
I'll post a screeny WIP soon =D

 

[Skycraft]

Oh okay awesome, thanks for the heads up

 

[Pharaoh_]

In case you need additional lore info, so that you stay within the conceptual boundaries of your race, you can check the following links (will be posted in the main topic as well):
http://www.wowhead.com/race=2/orc (Orcs)
http://www.wowhead.com/race=4 (Night Elves)
http://www.wowhead.com/race=1 (Humans)
http://www.wowhead.com/race=5 (Undead)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Naga (Naga)

The following page, http://www.wowhead.com/races , contains a list of World of Warcraft races, we only need the races of Warcraft III. However, if you feel that you want to extend the concept of your race, you can use facts from the World of Warcraft lore, but the key is to make an alternative version of the 5 main races (along with Naga).

 

[Disasterpiece512]

Hmm... if I understood correctly, we can make up names for our units as long as they tie to Warcraft? For example, I choose to name a unit Bandit Overlord. There is no such unit name in Warcraft, but it sounds warcraft-ish. Is it good?

 

[Oziris]

So The custom model of a Crypt Fiend for example should be similar to the original one? Does the same go for the abilities?

 

[Wazzz]

Will there be a list of contestants as well as what race they are doing out of curiosity?

 

[Pharaoh_]

Hmm... if I understood correctly, we can make up names for our units as long as they tie to Warcraft? For example, I choose to name a unit Bandit Overlord. There is no such unit name in Warcraft, but it sounds warcraft-ish. Is it good?

Yes, there is no problem with that. If you for example have a hero and you name him "Zarara", this isn't a Warcraft product, so this is against the rule. You need to name him after an existent character in the warcraft history, e.g. Varian Wrynn.

So The custom model of a Crypt Fiend for example should be similar to the original one? Does the same go for the abilities?

No, you are following the appearance and feeling of the original race, you are not copying its old units and pasting them into new ones with different names and/or models. Change their functionality, their number, their stats, their abilities into anything you like, just keep their concept; for example, if I see a Human Paladin able of summoning skeletons, this is out of the concept and it will cost you points. Focus on a new strategy, be it from new systems, be it from different ways of playing. An example: in the last racebuilding contest, Stanakin Skywalker, based his town hall on a goldmine, so, the goldmine was also the townhall of the race. This introduced a new strategy. Create new strategies people!

 

[Deolrin]

Wait, what? I don't get it, so heroes and units must be taken directly from existnig lore?
Well gee, that sure limits creativity. So for example, I can't have a Naga Warlord and have her named something like 'Asprah Darkscale' or whatever? Hero names in Warcraft 3 are non-canon, not to mention the whole melee aspect being non-canon.

Also, wowwiki moved to wowpedia.org.

 

[Mephestrial]

Here is my WIP.
I'm doing a Dalaran version of Alliance. Not too much done yet, still thinking up ideas.

Also I'm using some triggers for Race selection from one of my previous maps, is that all right since it has no affect on gameplay?

 

[Deolrin]

Hmm, I can make my own models\skins\icons for the map, right?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

Hmm, I can make my own models\skins\icons for the map, right?

Well, since those are counted as resources, which are allowed to be used, my guess is yes.

 

[Reaper51]

i won't start till the end of January cuz of exams : /

 

[DevilDuke1995]

The names must be existing? What? Tell me one name of a melee hero which exists in Warcraft history.

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

The names must be existing? What? Tell me one name of a melee hero which exists in Warcraft history.

Arthas, Cairne Bloodhoof, Muradin Bronzebeard, Uther, Admiral Proudmoore, Lord Garithos, Rexxar, Grom Hellscream, Chen Stormstout, Magtheridon, Balnazzar, Tichondrius, Varimathas, Maiev, Illidan, ...

Do I need to count more?

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Arthas, Cairne Bloodhoof, Muradin Bronzebeard, Uther, Admiral Proudmoore, Lord Garithos, Rexxar, Grom Hellscream, Chen Stormstout, Magtheridon, Balnazzar, Tichondrius, Varimathas, Maiev, Illidan, ...

Do I need to count more?

I said melee and i said it in bold.

 

[Chizume]

You are absolutely right DevilDuke. A melee Hero's proper names have nothing (what I know) to do with Warcraft lore whatsoever. Take Paladin for example; Granis Darkhammer, Jorn the Redeemer, Sage Truthbearer, Malak the Avenger, Gavinrad the Dire and so on. As far as I'm concerned one should be fine as long as the "class" of the Hero fits the race.

Yes/no?

 

[Pharaoh_]

Maybe I overdid it with the lore part, indeed, names are free to be added. Will update the first post too, since the contest has already started. Chizume, yes, the class is what counts, good job; that was my point in the first place, but I messed it up in my mind a little bit. ;]

 

[DevilDuke1995]

In short words, the Hero Name should be relative to Warcraft lore, but the hero's proper names shouldn't.

Am i right?

EDIT: Pharaoh_ is offline but can post? I see...

 

[InfinateAnswers]

so they have to protain? we cant have like "John Smith" for a paladins name? it has to make sense somehow like how blizzard made their cheesy names like "John the light bringer smith" lol

 

[Laserdude]

so they have to protain? we cant have like "John Smith" for a paladins name? it has to make sense somehow like how blizzard made their cheesy names like "John the light bringer smith" lol

I guess not.
The melee names often refer to their class, but that does not neccesseraily mean that all names of your heroes has to refer to what you are creating.
And if you want John Smith, why not call him John the Smith, since the Paladin model has a big hammer.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

do the triggers have to support MPI?

 

[Apheraz Lucent]

I said melee and i said it in bold.

It really depends on what you meant with melee. There are several meanings of the word. Sorry for not understanding what you wanted to say.

do the triggers have to support MPI?

Ugh, I guess that they should.

 

[Marcelo Hossomi]

As far as I can understand the heroes' name case... We have to choose "classes" (that is, not the proper name, but the name itself) that fit the race lore. Example, I couldn't use "Outland Druid" as a Night Elf hero as there's no druid from Outland as far as I remember xP

 

[Chizume]

Well I have the following classes at the moment:

Warrior (I may change to Swordfighter)
Archcleric
Spellbreaker
Marksman

And then I added some fitting proper names (eg Aeron the Cloudcaster for the Archcleric). Simply combining suitable words plus a name or two.