[Campaign] Tales of Silventria Mechanics Thread

[Razorfang]

yeah its just for fun i know

 

[Lord Siler]

Anyway send me that list of spell names, we may come up with some material yet,

p.s. I'm not making that Crusader's Code ability, its a stupid inside joke, wont even make any sense to anyone

 

[Razorfang]

btw the reason Aster isnt on is because he's extra drunk tonight

 

[Lord Siler]

Oh he deserves all he could drink, he is war hero afterwards....we need to rep him good

 

[Razorfang]

lol, well I found the excel file you asked me for, and you got 2 more heroes in there that no one seemed to mention, what are the assasin;s role in all this?

 

[Lord Siler]

Oh, we were supposed to design a mission where you play as the rebels and you're trying to infiltrate a palace and kill some high ranking general, for this mission you had 2 hero assassins and you had to work together to achieve this goal. It would've been a rather cleaver mission, first off you had to use owl scouts to avoid the partrols outside the palace, then kills certain guards who wouldn't be noticed, then you essentially had to hit a soldier with mark of shadowsight, and then "escape" such that the enemy thinks you gotten away but in reality the ability grants you vision of where the soldier is going and it was up to to you to use tricks and tactics to sneak through where he went to get to the general...

 

[Razorfang]

sounds awesome

 

[Lord Siler]

Yeah but its not really the type of mission I like to design, but the assassin characters have all their abilities done...shame not to use them, as a matter of fact we may try to use them as regular heroes which fight for the enemy in missions

 

[Lord Aiden]

thats a damn shame, wouldve been a great mission

 

[Lord Siler]

I don't enjoy those types of missions, the making of the Rhivenhall scenario was a necessity for the progression of the story, otherwise I'd leave those missions to a minimum, its the big story-veiled battles that everyone likes, ye you could have a smaller mission here and there such as is required for the story, but big interactive events is what ultimately captivate the gameplay

 

[Lord Aiden]

I think variety is what you need, if you just have large missions where you have to fight the enemy the player will get bored ive playd a tons of campaigns like that, they also lack story development in a progressive fashion in any way, a good campagin has lots of good elements within it, not just "large epic battles"

 

[Lord Siler]

I agree... I just don't like too much of those missions where you're sneaking around, and those missions usually end up being too short for my tastes

I think I've mentioned it numerous times that I prefer longer missions, in fact that's why I like some campaigns so much, they feature long, complex missions that take time to finish and add to the story

 

[Lord Siler]

 

[Blake8]

Deus Vult!

 

[Lord Aiden]

Hey siler, check your e-mail

 

[Lord Aiden]

@Blake8 : I really like those guardsman units you added, they only have 980 hp, but attack wise they're hard hitters, plus the critical strike they have !!

 

[Blake8]

Rasler's personal guards....

 

[Lord Aiden]

I just like how he has his own bodyguards that not only have a strong attack and can critical strike, but can also ensnare flying units, they're definitely not as versatile as the zephyr but they can do some real damage, and can even defend against air attacks....nice unit

 

[ArchDuke]

I would suggest making all those bodyguard-type elite units have different abilities set for variety, for instance some could have critical strike, some could have bash, some could have something like a frenzy ability, this will make things much more interesting and fun for the player


edit

also give them creative names like "lionheart" for example to make things interesting, guardsman is just a generic title

 

[ArchDuke]

@Lord Siler

 

[Lord Siler]

nice poster

 

[Colonel Aster]

So I suppose you're working on the bodyguards & special unit now?

 

[Lord Siler]

Yes, me and Aiden were debating on whether we should have ones with higher hp with critical strike or lower hp ones with the frostmourn life drain ability

 

[Colonel Aster]

900 hp vamps vs 1050 hp critical strikers ?

 

[Lord Siler]

It's more complicated than that.

In essence the vamps or whatever you wanna call them will last longer in battle and be more of a threat, I'm even thinking of lowering their health regeneration rate to compensate for how fast they have their health restored due to the ability, also they need a lower attack, like 40-50.

Whereas the unit with the critical strike can have more health, as well as deal more damage (60-70) with no real problem, but it is not nearly as though, although just as efficient.

 

[Colonel Aster]

wait i was assuming that this whole thing was looked from another perspective,

vamps = bloodsuckers = evil, so the vamps would make much more sense, plus the model looks good

 

[Lord Siler]

Those bodyguards would outlast the hero because of their ability, just look at how overlords have around 775 hp in vanilla, there's a reason for that you know

Also I really wanted for some elite units to have a special abilities, we have zephyrs, those council guards, and the ironguard which are generic, but I want each group to have a particular exclusive ability

Like Zephyrs are really fast, have spell resistance, and can attack air units

The council guards have spell resistance and powerful attacks

Ironguards are really tough, etc.

basically every elite unit I design will be "specialized" in this sense

 

[Colonel Aster]

I understand.

You should allow them to have shadowmeld and evasion 33% and maybe slow poison, I think that should be the right combination

 

[Lord Siler]

Sounds good

 

[Colonel Aster]

get into chat Siler

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8

I found what you were asking me about

also I don't know which version it is, but it's one of the older ones

 

[Blake8]

Thank you so much, bro, I wont forget this

 

[Lord Siler]

Here is a list of elite units, Duskblades took hours to balance out

 

[Lord Aiden]

Only 4 units?

 

[Lord Siler]

Spoiler

There are others such as Spectral Knight but those would be a major spoiler

 

[Lord Aiden]

Blake send me this list awhile ago - idk if i still have it on my pc, but it had over 14 elite units

 

[Lord Siler]

Spoiler

Almost every unit in the rebel's army has an "elite" counterpart, but they are just upgraded versions of the regular units

Warrior--->Blackwolf
Spearmaster--->Hydra (hydra replaces the spearmaster as its harder to kill because of increased regeneration, and has an attack that lowers the units defenses I believe)
Pyromancer --->Pyromancer
Mage--->Wizard
Avelbeast--->Avelbeast Elder

idk there might've been a few more

but again these units are not really elite; a Blackwolf has some special abilities and more hp, but a knight will still take it down, a wizard just has an extra spell and like 80 more hp...so if you meant these they are just "upgrades" of regular rebel units

 

[Blake8]

@Lord Siler Dark vipers have permanent invisibility not permanent immolation

 

[Lord Siler]

wasn't it Black Viper, also what happened to Crusaders, Strikers, and Bloodfiends ?

 

[Blake8]

 

[Lord Aiden]

@Blake8 : so who was lord peradale & the high summoner based on?

 

[Blake8]

Spoiler

Lord Peradale was actually created by one of my buddies, so I'm not so sure about the inspirations for that one, he was just supposed to be the high summoner's right hand man, all his powers and everything else was created along the way


As far as the high summoner, he was based on Prime Minister Kosseimaru from WOS, his goal was similarly to liberate an oppressed people from the ruling regime, however his methods in doing so is slightly different.His powers however are very strong, and there is almost nothing he cannot accomplish with enough magical power at his disposal.

 

[Lord Aiden]

Spoiler

Interesting, what about the entity he is trying to unseal

 

[Blake8]

Spoiler

the high summoner wrongfully believes that this entity is benign and that his aid will turn the tides and dismantle Milrein's mechanism of oppression and war

 

[ArchDuke]

so i hear you guys have a crew now

 

[Lord Aiden]

crew? Shar just got mad at Blake, Aster, and me because of the Deus Vult pics

that's it

and he's still mad about it even thought it was months ago

 

[Colonel Aster]

Oh that Shar, always takes everything way too seriously....

 

[San]

And you never take him seriously.
Know the difference between "not going to bother with you and your stuffs anymore" and "i stil mad waaa bite bite rawr".

 

[Lord Aiden]

I'll live, I was never much into his arkain campaign anyway, too dark and GOT-like for my tastes

 

[Colonel Aster]

@San Are you kidding me? Siler took him seriously, he didn't fuck around in the arkain thread and they just banned him, he got all mad at me about it

I might've taken the Deus Vult thing too far, but I never meant to piss anyone off, just have some fun on my off day, that's it