Round Table of Arkain

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And this is the first time I see Fleshtearer being placed in such a high tier. I guess I can understand since he's pretty unique in terms of appearance. And the fact that he's bland also means that he's an empty canvas to be drawn on.

Like, instead of feeding him flesh to sustain his body, let's try feeding him the souls of the fallen instead. Could be fun.
Oh flesh tearer is adorable thats why he is S tier material...Jokes aside though, its just me meming thats all, if i wasn't in such a meme mood Flesh tearer would probably go down to cannon fodder category.
 
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My opinion is not suitable for sensitive people.
All the characters go in order from left to right (apart from top to bottom, obviously).

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Comments first of all
I'll start by saying that I've always liked Sas, I won't deny it, Dominion Leader? NOT AT ALL, I never really saw him as stupid, just someone who didn't live up to the expectations of being Rangul 2.0.
Redfist is... Redfist... He's probably the only one who is true from start to finish to his ideals, besides the chaos he causes alone is legendary, don't tell me he's not.
Whitefield is the only one with true honor in Arkain... Too bad people like that don't survive, because they either die, break or become puppets.
I could explain more about the others... But, I'll just say that I purposely left Blen right above Selior... XD.

GIGA
Here are the ones I consider to be the best, not necessarily for the world but as characters for me, some honorable mentions are for Gorthog since I also like pokemon (For when a battle? Arkain champion), for Praxeus who proved to be as cool as his model, Salana for being the first waifu in Arkain, to Renald for the longest noble title ever and for being the best guy anyone could wish for, and to Gran for being the only dog here.

CHAD
Here are the great ones, but they are not so great as to enter GIGA, Largoth lowers it to this category since he did not decide to change his name to Baldgoth, Dorten is here because he is almost the only independent of all humans, Galareth is hilarious, the Bonelords since they only need a crucifix somewhere to make a real crusade, and Ornasion is one of the best undead characters.

GOD
Here are the people who are good characters or who before I thought were of the GIGA or CHAD category, but that the definitive story made other characters better by changing my parameters, the important thing here is that at least half of those who are here are honorable, at least I applaud Vanessa now since at last she seems a character in the story and not only the excuse to appear Redfist.

BASED
They are characters that although they do seem based on me, they really have things or opinions that I do not share, or decisions that disgust me for how they came out or for their consequences, such as making a large-scale invasion without holding on a little or joining dark figures for their promises or their "gifts".

MEH 1 and MEH 2
They range from characters that I do not like, to characters that I think are irrelevant (That's why the separation really ...), the only exception is Borean which is the most recent, but I really do not know if it will have its moment to shine in some events full of other characters that I know more.

Sas
The worst of the worst (Minus Maronogin and Fleshtearer which is by meme), here are the ones I hope rot in hell, as they are either stupid but can't or really use their intelligence to become more stupid.
 
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This topic has perhaps already been mentioned. But with Arkain's new line and all the new factions, I wanted to ask.

Are there allied factions that hate each other or hold a grudge?

I mean if the Bloodstones hate the elves or vice versa.
Are there elves who look down on humans?
Are there racist humans with other types of "humans"?

With the Dominion I ask the same thing.
Do the races get along or do any of them have grudges with other races?
 
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This topic has perhaps already been mentioned. But with Arkain's new line and all the new factions, I wanted to ask.

Are there allied factions that hate each other or hold a grudge?

I mean if the Bloodstones hate the elves or vice versa.
Are there elves who look down on humans?
Are there racist humans with other types of "humans"?

With the Dominion I ask the same thing.
Do the races get along or do any of them have grudges with other races?
1) Besides the tensions between the Imperials, Golden Guard, Ironfist and the Royals, there are more rivalries than meets the eye.
2) There are, besides Zoia and Blen, Gardon and the Royals and Imperials, Renald and everybody else.
3) Bloodstones are also cordial with the Elves, like what Hammerfall has witht the Elves.
4) Elves are xenophobic races, up until the civil war.
5) Redfist, they became racists after Rangul incident. They kill everything that has to do with the Orcs, even Centaurs of Salria that had no deals with the Orcs were collateral, and also what they did to the Gnolls, to King Gran, to the Harpies.... You know why they are racists.
6) As far as I know, there are no grudges or hatred inside the Tribal Dominion. As long as Amari and the council give whatever the races wants and needs, no hatred happens.
Orcs get their new homeland.
Dark Trolls and Bearmen get their new forests.
Ogres and Cyclops are reunited and still held the land they call home.
Dragons are now free on the Dominion territory.
Gnolls are still independent, they still hold the Gnoll Island for themselves.
Future Murlocs will have their new homes.
Centaurs are now free from the trauma they got from the Salrians.
Goblins want only monetary gains.
Other races under Dominion are content on the deals.
 
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A burning question for Shar Dundred. So the Dark Elves were created, then Aridon decided to channel Marty McFly and says the world isn't ready for you lovely people yet but their kids are gonna love you. He then locks them in the basement because that's exactly what a well adjusted creator/parent of people would do. Anyways, apparently the current Elves above ground were also Dark Elves that got to stay above ground because reasons, meaning those DARK Elves became, just... Elves. So my question is, how were the original Elves considered DARK Elves if there were no other Elves to compare them to? Wouldn't the Dark Elves just be 'Elves' with those vitamin D loving individuals on the surface becoming Light Elves instead?
 

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A burning question for Shar Dundred. So the Dark Elves were created, then Aridon decided to channel Marty McFly and says the world isn't ready for you lovely people yet but their kids are gonna love you. He then locks them in the basement because that's exactly what a well adjusted creator/parent of people would do. Anyways, apparently the current Elves above ground were also Dark Elves that got to stay above ground because reasons, meaning those DARK Elves became, just... Elves. So my question is, how were the original Elves considered DARK Elves if there were no other Elves to compare them to? Wouldn't the Dark Elves just be 'Elves' with those vitamin D loving individuals on the surface becoming Light Elves instead?
Well, you have been asking for quite some time now, sooo I guess it is time. AHEM
The Dark Elves were born during a "dark age", following the war of the gods which almost
destroyed the world, hence the name.
When the Dark Elves were imprisoned and the "surface Elves" forgot about their history,
they were part of a new world that would have a bright and "balanced" future ahead of it
in Aridon's mind so the Watcher of Arkain removed the dark part of the name
I know Jay just asked a question and all but holy shit Arkain will be eight years old on the 11th.
Indeed!
 
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Hello Shar Dundred, I have a question regarding the Elites. They don't seem to have the icon indicating that they have the Ironfist passive of life regen. Is it just a visual bug or is it actually intentional that they don't have the regeneration most units have?
 
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Hello, I am playing the new missions on hard like I always played them all. I have a suggestion that would really improve the experience of the current missions and future missions. The suggestion is rather simple, make your AI allies send a bit more units on harder difficulties(1 or 2, how much you want, 7 units after 1 hour in the mission ain't going to cut it) and there is also a bug that makes them send their units back home randomly. (Seems like they send them back home if we are winning, maybe if they kill something). I have an explanation to why I believe that this is a good suggestion:

So I am playing right now one of the reworked missions The lord of the Shadows. This seems like the Siege of Kome 2.0 in terms of difficulty (still better than the last orc missions that just made me quit several times out of frustration, I still managed to win those but the difficulty spike is so unreal in those missions aswell) since you just spend hours sending units since you only have max 100 supply. One way to make your army be a bit bigger is to attack with your allies but their AI is so damn retarded compared to the enemy. The enemy sends units and rebuilds them to help their allies and sends a lot of units to attack the backline destroying any siege unit. My AI can't even attack move to their base without going back home after killing a few units. This is a long time bug that made the experience of the campaign when you have allies rather lackluster. Instead of having your allies sending armies to help you push, your allies sends 5 units that go back home after they kill something if we are winning. This is rather dissapointing and frustrating in missions that you need a lot of supply of units in order to push, the AI really could've helped if this bug was somehow fixed. I really enjoy the missions to be really hard but it really feels like it is destroying the atmosphere when you see your AI only sending a few units that have the chance to just return home even if they are not attacked. I will attach a photo with my allies retreating his troops.
For this mission, the AI also sends no anti air units or just one, most of the time one air unit will make the AI be useless for the entirety of the mission.

The mission itself gets very frustrating once you destroy the rebel leader. At this point in the mission, the AI really stops working and doesn't help at all.When you have to fight the undead, both AI bring their armies, reaching over 200 or so supply, giving you no chance to push to destroy any buildings. Any units you kill just get revived so it is extremely hard to push even with buildings near the front line to remake units instantly. I thought maybe the optional objective might help, but it did not. The catapults don't have the range to hit their base so I am stuck probably making towers near the front line in order to stand a chance to push. Not a pleasant experience, making Brian's ultimate not use food would be great and giving the player max 120 supply would make the mission possible. If not, reduce the units the ai has or atleast make the second AI not come to the help of the first undead AI. It is not possible, with perfect usage of abilities to heal your units, you just can't defeat an army twice your size that rebuilds every dead unit and sends them back to battle and they have defensive structures. You might think, why don't you wait till both AI attack then attack them so they have less units? I tried that, I will post a screenshot of it, still 200+ units destroying my 100 supply army like it is nothing, perfect micro with heals and usage of hero abilities did absolutely nothing. Only if you use a cheese strategy I think it is possible which is what I am going to try now, if that doesn't work I will just quit. Almost 4 hours into this, I wish that I could say that I was a bad player and this is just a skill issue but it is not, this is close to impossible, I gave up for now, I have no clue what to do, many of the extremely hard missions just asked to be cheesed with air units but you don't have access to them here....

I love hard missions, I always play any custom campaign or any campaign on the hardest difficulty possible so they give me a little challenge. All of them were still rather easy but this is by far the hardest thing that I have ever played in 16 years of playing RTS. I think only using structures to add DPS and slowly pushing with them might be the way or just reducing the difficulty but I don't want to give up after playing all missions till now on hard on all books.
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Hi, I've decided to post my own tierlist of the characters based on my own preference, so some may not agree with it.
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Over all, I like the true story very much, the only two things I disliked to this point is (idk, if it's a spoiler or not) Lerrig's (kinda forced) death (IMO, he was far more useful than for example Gardon in the missions he appeared in Second Human Book) and Sasrogarn's nature (if I remember correctly, he wasn't exactly a coward in a First Orc Book), but over, it's really good! I hope we may see more of the Van Durce in the future (golden guard forever!). I hope you'll finish the true story soon!
 
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After replaying both first and second books, I can say that I'm feeling underwhelmed due to true story's vast diverse cast, army and bosses interactions with each other even with their enemy. Especially on second orc books where you have to fight human regiments but all I can see are the same army as Salria, or the Royal army.
 
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An idea is in my head. Since Selior is headless and he is dead... could Rahandir or Aridon revive him as a Dulahan (headless horseman)?
omg i'm not alone. this is exactly what I thought: it would be kinda cool to see him going after his lost head. I imagine him to be major antagonist in Salria arc against Dominion.
 
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Tribal dominion has a lot of units - and a lot of overlapping between them. When you have so many options, one of them obviously is going to look better than the rest. Why build gnoll priests, when witch doctors are 10 times better? Why would I need bearmen champions, when shieldbearers are more durable and have simialr DPS? Tough question, mr Dundred, Wonder how you'll deal with them.
 
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Why build gnoll priests, when witch doctors are 10 times better? Why would I need bearmen champions, when shieldbearers are more durable and have simialr DPS?
About the gnolls, you mostly use them as buffers with inner fire instead of healing, even the bearman healing is better. Since during the First books era we could choice which clan would help us (like in Siege of Kome) maybe you can choose to get help from Koydoss tribe but use deathbreeze units. Or have some pre-place trolls during the gnoll island missions but can´t build them.

Well with a new tier list its time for a new dateability ranking with some changes but only one contestant having climbed up to soul mate status.
Both Cora and Salana are loveable 100% sure, either before Gardon influence or after.
 
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How is Meya not loveable?
Ikr. Imagine Meya giving heads with her lovely jaw. 🙃

Jokes aside, I like the "twisted beauty" concept of her character, and I hope to know more about her past life before she became Undead.

Tribal dominion has a lot of units - and a lot of overlapping between them. When you have so many options, one of them obviously is going to look better than the rest. Why build gnoll priests, when witch doctors are 10 times better? Why would I need bearmen champions, when shieldbearers are more durable and have simialr DPS? Tough question, mr Dundred, Wonder how you'll deal with them.
Maybe it can be used for a niche audience who do challenge runs, for example: Bearmen only, spellcasters only, etc...

But if left as it is, an average player (yes, I mean myself) will feel overwhelmed by those many choices, and will opt for the same, optimal team composition instead. Maybe an LoTV approach, where units are splitted into different classes, and you can pick one from each?

Damn, it has already been 8 years since Arkain was made?
Time sure flies.
Think I've only been here for about 9 or 10 months, and I'm part of the "Came here from Jayborino" club. I'm just a newcomer compared to many others here, but I already feel quite at home. I mean, I have a good custom campaign to play and an active community for me to discuss gameplay, strategy, story, and characters with. On top of that, you guys also tolerate my shitty attempts at humor, so everything is good.
 
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Ikr. Imagine Meya giving heads with her lovely jaw. 🙃

Jokes aside, I like the "twisted beauty" concept of her character, and I hope to know more about her past life before she became Undead.


Maybe it can be used for a niche audience who do challenge runs, for example: Bearmen only, spellcasters only, etc...

But if left as it is, an average player (yes, I mean myself) will feel overwhelmed by those many choices, and will opt for the same, optimal team composition instead. Maybe an LoTV approach, where units are splitted into different classes, and you can pick one from each?


Think I've only been here for about 9 or 10 months, and I'm part of the "Came here from Jayborino" club. I'm just a newcomer compared to many others here, but I already feel quite at home. I mean, I have a good custom campaign to play and an active community for me to discuss gameplay, strategy, story, and characters with. On top of that, you guys also tolerate my shitty attempts at humor, so everything is good.
I joined Arkain 3 years ago, and time sure flies. 🧐 So far, so good. I felt Mordin would be good for Meya if they were both living; not sure why she became so narcissistic about her beauty but it had to do with her house's past and some tragedy she forgot. Let's not forget she was from Toran: the very capital of old Zyainor. She probably knew Order of the Frost and some dark past relating to her kingdom. It was surprising to know she wasn't married despite many suitors mentioned in her bio. I even thought her house urged her to have an heir and therefore she eloped with one of many; like Quiraness choosing the best from her harem.
 
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Ikr. Imagine Meya giving heads with her lovely jaw. 🙃

Jokes aside, I like the "twisted beauty" concept of her character, and I hope to know more about her past life before she became Undead.


Maybe it can be used for a niche audience who do challenge runs, for example: Bearmen only, spellcasters only, etc...

But if left as it is, an average player (yes, I mean myself) will feel overwhelmed by those many choices, and will opt for the same, optimal team composition instead. Maybe an LoTV approach, where units are splitted into different classes, and you can pick one from each?


Think I've only been here for about 9 or 10 months, and I'm part of the "Came here from Jayborino" club. I'm just a newcomer compared to many others here, but I already feel quite at home. I mean, I have a good custom campaign to play and an active community for me to discuss gameplay, strategy, story, and characters with. On top of that, you guys also tolerate my shitty attempts at humor, so everything is good.
I believe thats how Shar intended Dominion to work initially. Their race mechanic was "Brothers in arms" or something like that. And you would pick which factions you want for any particular mission. However he scrapped the idea. Cant recall why though ... Probably was buggy and he couldnt implement it in a way which could fit his vision. In any case, I have great faith that Shar shall fix the dominion. I mean c'mon, he always does.
 
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My tier list. Hope it don't offense anyone.
I realy like your S tier choices, specially the 2nd one:ogre_hurrhurr:

About the newest short story:
-The story about arcanus seems pretty interesting, perhaps is the strange character Zairmak and Grofzag hear about.
-So the order of earth and frost were destroyed, tides and lightning serves zyainor, Air and Fire are enemies of Zyainor and the Arcane one is unknown, i think this has something to do with conquering Salria and not other places. Perhaps now is the order of the shadows.
-So harmos will join the imperials again, either that or Van Durce´s daughter. All of them want to defeat Zyainor althought their main objectives are different.

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I´ll explain tier S, however all the characters in tier C need more screen time, the B tier same but are a little more explained to me, and all the A tier are awesome, that´s it.

-Amari. The main character of the SOB and the creator of the Tribal Dominion, one of the best factions i´ve ever seen in all the fantasy games i´ve played. Also has an interesting background and cool moveset.

-Grofzag. Sigma male of the orcs, being strong and smart despite being young to the orcs standars. Before the dominion even started, he spared the dwarves for knowledge and even get the Bearman as allies.

-Ornasion. Really needs more screen time but his development is incredible and I really want to play as him soon enough.

-Redfist. Favourite Hero, favourite faction, no need for explanation. They try to burn the orcs to the ground and that was a great idea before Amari´s arrival.

-Vanessa. A human fighting in the orc faction, being a leader (despite the racism towards her) and have a cool moveset.

-Destroyer. The change during the true story has been astonishing. A really strong and Smart warrior, leader of his clan who wants to crush every enemy with brute force but also want to be remembered during the new era.

-Hortnog. Every moment from Hortnog is gold. The raid leader of the Goldaxe clan shines by himself in every scene. He needs more screen time no doubt.

-Thanok. I kinda like Thanok more than Gardon or Bryan, he is a ruthless sargeant of the ironfist AND a black dragon, a really strong one nonetheless. I hope we get to see more about his past.

-Borean. I mean... rolling bearman hero, really strong moveset (no thorns aura before) and i like his faction despite being a little one.

-Gardon. The true hero of Arkain, the emperor of Zyainor, the man that personifies the phrase "The end justifies the means", the leader of the ironfist and the saviour of humanity. And a great father.

I hate everyone on SAS tier and i dont like the F tier at all.
Oh my, I love your S tier choices, specially the 3rd one:jd:

Now while i'd love to do a meme category like the one i did way back with calling the S tier characters giga chads and all I thought i'd try something different this time.

F+I- Stands for flavour and interesting characters. One that stands out here its Blen while if i had to rank the old Blen i'd put him on the B+ impactful (boring but with impact on the story) the new version of blen does become more interesting with the changes done to Selior and the introduction of Dorbric.

I+ no flavour: Well these are characters that i find interesting personally but i feel like they haven't reached their full potential yet they need more "screen time" in a manner of speaking i guess. The one that stands out here its Lokar, i dunno why but i always found him rather interesting i wish he'd get more screentime

B+ impactful: Well here are the rather boring characters that have a degree of impact on the story

Cannon fodder: Maybe this isn't the best term to referee to them but i feel like this bunch are the characters that only exist to push forward to plot there isn't to many interesting things about them ofc characters like Mordin and Kazar might as well be put on the need more time category since they do have interesting backstories that might make them more than just "cannon fodder" but i feel like this category represents them well.


Need more time: The name speaks for itself

Demonic Aedale and Lisara seriously need a revamp of their characters now that the story is set in stone and we dont have multiple branching paths.

The other two categories are pretty much self explanatory.

Edit: Kenos needs to be at needs more screen time category.
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I do think lisara needs more introduction too, that's why we need a Demon book to uncover the demon legions and character motives:vw_unimpressed:

-Ornasion. Really needs more screen time but his development is incredible and I really want to play as him soon enough.
Same:vw_love:

You know what?:ogre_hurrhurr:
#MoreOrnasion
 
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Speaking of Ornasion, we'll meet with him again soon, right? After all he was sent by Aridon to the Elven kingdom to support someone, maybe Queen Keera cuz she and Krom appears in the "Burning forest" mission of the SHB if I'm not mistaken.
So we can expect control both and see the rise of the undead elven nexus Mr. Dundred showed months ago.
 
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