Round Table of Arkain

[nchp1903]

Challenges are quite a thrill to play, and it's good if they're like an optional difficulty for bored players who already finished the campaign once and wanted to play again, but with extra spice.

So I've been watching a lot of Grant's MindHawk's Challenge Gauntlet series, and then I think that maybe some of the True Story maps aren't hard enough, so I should implement more challenge into it.

This is the result. An overedited mess that is the first mission - Pillage, that I myself suffered greatly to beat.

But then again, using spellcasters, Shamen in this case, to at least half of their potential was quite satisfying. Made me feel like a micro god.

But as for this one, I failed to make a dialogue box that ask if the players want a challenge or not (triggering is hard), so I just made it permanent instead.

As for challenges I can remember doing on missions over the years: Defense of Home with no allies on hard, the Siege of Toran with no Thanok support, Green Wave with no elves on hard, Possession with no possession, Lords of the Golden Guard with no destructors. But there have been major revisions over the years so their difficulty is not what it once was.

These sound really painful however, especially the last one. But the other ones seem "doable" enough for me. Strangely, I never struggled on the original Defense of Home or Siege of Kome or Green Wave, but instead, the mission I could never beat is Between A Rock And A Hard Place of SOB. Daric's Elites with Blinking Bears are just brutal.

Also, now that I think of it, why are there Demons behind Redfist's house, and how did they get there without being noticed?

 

[Kasrkin]

Also, now that I think of it, why are there Demons behind Redfist's house, and how did they get there without being noticed?

The chaos after the first voidwar even though the combined armies kicked the absolute crap out of the demons doesn't mean some didn't go unnoticed, and this still being relatively recent Empire integration the demon slave infiltration problem is still an absolute hell comparatively to the modern era where they can't just be anywhere they want to be. So portals can still be brought up 'easier' and Redfist and his men went out hunting demon remnants anyhow so they knew some were nearby.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Oh no, it's Lugnar, Rangul's evil twin brother who was exiled for trying to usurp the place of the niatfeihc!

 

[Karmondia]

Oh no, it's Lugnar, Rangul's evil twin brother who was exiled for trying to usurp the place of the niatfeihc!

Is this story from the First Kro book of Legends of Niakra, Shar?
Edit: Damn, I changed the joke, so Shar's reply doesn't make sense. Original joke: Legends of Niakra, Second Night Elf book when, Shar?

 

[Shar Dundred]

2202

 

[Karmondia]

2202

Irama could come back to take vengance for her father, I'm just saying.

 

[nchp1903]

Oh no, it's Lugnar, Rangul's evil twin brother who was exiled for trying to usurp the place of the niatfeihc!

Evil Rangul (or Lugnar) be like: Not committing war crimes and actually cares for Amari.

Is this story from the First Kro book of Legends of Niakra, Shar?
Edit: Damn, I changed the joke, so Shar's reply doesn't make sense. Original joke: Legends of Niakra, Second Night Elf book when, Shar?

Niakra sounds unironically like a good name for a Zerg Broodmother, so thanks for the idea. Quite an ambitious crossover is about to happen.

 

[Karmondia]

 

[nchp1903]

I remember sending 300 peons to distract him and his friends while the Raiders run in to ransack his base. It was a fun 'strategy', albeit a bit inhumane.

But if anyone asks 'why', then I'll just say I was roleplaying as Sasrogarn, so I used the same strats that he would have used.

 

[Mvicio]

Oh no, it's Lugnar, Rangul's evil twin brother who was exiled for trying to usurp the place of the niatfeihc!

Is this story from the First Kro book of Legends of Niakra,

Fanmade of Arkain and Gordon: Oh shit here we go again.

 

[Karmondia]

Fanmade of Arkain and Gordon: Oh shit here we go again.

Make Selana and Gordon canon in 2022! Le'rine (Larine's french cousin) and Lugnar the twin need some spotlight! Legends of Niakra > Legends of Arkain. Who's with me?

 

[nchp1903]

In Legends of Niakra, we'll have cool characters like: Aridone, who's gone insane from dealing with the orcs; Selior Cleavedhead (pun intended) who's immune to emotional damage; Bland Greymoore, who's definitely not going to die; and Radisrek who would never backstab his Demon friends.

 

[nchp1903]

I think that maybe some of the True Story maps aren't hard enough.

It seems that I choked on my own words. My attempt to make the next mission - Hunt for Riches - harder, went atrociously wrong.

Spoiler: Details

Basically, every 2 minutes, a random challenge from a set of six will run (with some manipulations to reduce the chance of two of them happening in a row). But in the video, I use other triggers to activate them manually, since I discovered that Random Integers work really weirdly, and is a pain to record footage. As for difficulty, right now, it's broken to the point of unbeatable (at least for me).

• Shamen can't be recruited.
• Mordin starts at LV 10 with maxed out abilities and a Cloak of Flames.
• Demolishers gain 2 HP/s as compensation.
• Challenges include:

• Deserters: 0-4 random units will be removed. 50% chance that trained units (except Demolishers) will also be removed.
• 'Improved' Masonry: Structures instantly lose health. Newly-built structures have a chance to be: instantly destroyed, reduced to 10% HP, or ownership switched to Neutral Hostile.
• Stampede: Detect buildings in Main Base/Expansions, then Neutral Hostile Dummies cast Stampede.
• Mirror Images: Spawn weaker Sasrogarns with Chain Lightning/Feral Spirits periodically. Has timed life.
• Redfist: Spawn the best dad with timed life. Still didn't let him use Firebomb or Avenge because too overpowered.
• Nothing: Self-explanatory. Nothing happens to give the player windows to retaliate and rebuild.

The more I work on this, the more I appreciate the little details on those maps, such as unit placements, A.I, terraining, and balancing. When I first opened those maps in Editor, I thought the triggers would contain lots of complex scripts, but it turns out, Shar made it simple and easy to read, yet so good, and each map needs hours of player put into it to be fully mastered.

Don't know what else to say, but by all means, keep up the good work.

 

[Karmondia]

It is time ladies and gentlemen! Theoden and his friends invited me to the castle of Kome... I couldn't say no. So... here it is; 2 hours of suffering, as I beat the Siege of Kome on hard difficulty:

 

[Karmondia]

Hi guys! It's me again! This time, I've brought you something a little different. So, we all know why Duke Volarian Redfist became a tyrant. The orcs murdered his wife, slaughtered his men, and kidnapped his daughter. Well... today, the orcs are not going to do that. Unfortunately, the player has to burn down the village of Fishbarn, since it is a main objective, and there is no way to spare the humans at the end, because they are attacking the boat, and the mission only ends, if the player kills them, but other than those, (where the player HAS to kill humans in order to progress), I am NOT killing any humans today. That means that Lady Stephanie survived the raid, and not only that! The Mansion Guard, and most of the Toranite Militia survived it as well! I killed the demons too, so if anything, Redfist should be thanking me...

 

[Kasrkin]

And thus begins the career of General Redfist as he enters the Imperial military once more oh and the Redfist sisters and sons are all butterflied away.

You broke history, well done.


Actually thinking on this more this would have even more of an impact than Redfist being a strategic boon to the Imperials stationed on Arkain before the second voidwar, and of course no Aedale to be a pawn for greater powers. He could mitigate the breakdown of relations between the Royals and Imperials but while not stopping it completely it could certainly help.

Orcs are likely still fucked cause they took Vanessa but now there is the duo Redfist couple who are first voidwar veterans.

 

[nchp1903]

Hi guys! It's me again! This time, I've brought you something a little different. So, we all know why Duke Volarian Redfist became a tyrant. The orcs murdered his wife, slaughtered his men, and kidnapped his daughter. Well... today, the orcs are not going to do that. Unfortunately, the player has to burn down the village of Fishbarn, since it is a main objective, and there is no way to spare the humans at the end, because they are attacking the boat, and the mission only ends, if the player kills them, but other than those, (where the player HAS to kill humans in order to progress), I am NOT killing any humans today. That means that Lady Stephanie survived the raid, and not only that! The Mansion Guard, and most of the Toranite Militia survived it as well! I killed the demons too, so if anything, Redfist should be thanking me...

You really tried to finish this mission as a pacifist. For being an absolute madlad, and for liven up this thread, I think you and your playthrough deserve more recognition.

Also, you might or might not have inspired me to upload my own runs.

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

I need help, I always got this error whenever I try to download Second Human Book. This occured also when I am downloading second orc book but I don't how to resolve it again.

 

[Rhapsodie]

View attachment 394342
I need help, I always got this error whenever I try to download Second Human Book. This occured also when I am downloading second orc book but I don't how to resolve it again.

Try the Legacy Download link, right next to the like buttons

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

Try the Legacy Download link, right next to the like buttons

it worked thanks

don't know why the download button work like this now. When did this change?

 

[Shar Dundred]

A few weeks/months ago.
Not a fan either.

 

[Ralle]

Thanks for the report. I believe it's the first report I've gotten of it not working. I will see if I can make the legacy download link more stable for big downloads and switch to that once again.

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

Yeah looks like I will be using legacy downloads for now

 

[nchp1903]

As a follow-up to this post of mine, I finally finished tweaking the challenges. I had to give the Orc some health regen to get through the early game (because their sustain sucks without Witch Doctors or Scepter), but nonetheless, here is the final product:

Also timestamps are in description.

 

[DD Mikasa]

because their sustain sucks without Witch Doctors or Scepter

I always thought it was funny how orc sustain goes from absolute ass to god tier...They have like three sources of sustain (if you aren't counting Ranguls scepter of healing which is a pretty much a free WD heal ward)

 

[CosmicBard]

I like how Blizzard gave them the Shadow Hunter and the Voodoo Lounge with with healing salves in the Frozen Throne to compensate for their awful early sustain. I guess Shar wanted the player to really feel the need for the scepter, which is why you don't have any healing in CH2 of the first orc book. It also kind of makes sense that the player gets the shop in CH6, as that is the first time in the campaign when you don't play with scepter carrier Rangul.

 

[Vindicator777]

Does Legend of arkain will ever have own page on tvtropes? I would like to read a character sheet.

 

[LISBOAH]

Does Legend of arkain will ever have own page on tvtropes? I would like to read a character sheet.

No.

But there is a wiki.

 

[Kasrkin]

We've had so many issues with the shops over the years, I can't tell you how many times I've shown Shar an AI hero selling their items just because they brushed by a shop no matter how many times we think we've fixed it.

Does Legend of arkain will ever have own page on tvtropes? I would like to read a character sheet.

The mods page for wc3 was actually deleted years ago I have no idea why, but the original pages for the mods that were on the site are still there but they're just no accessible from the game's own page anymore. Example

 

[Vindicator777]

We've had so many issues with the shops over the years, I can't tell you how many times I've shown Shar an AI hero selling their items just because they brushed by a shop no matter how many times we think we've fixed it.



The mods page for wc3 was actually deleted years ago I have no idea why, but the original pages for the mods that were on the site are still there but they're just no accessible from the game's own page anymore. Example

Sad. I can only imagine how big page could be on tvtropes with all these factions.

 

[Championfighter25]

If the tvtropes page is ever done, just the laconic section alone will be legendary:

"A bunch of gods gets angry at each other , which indirectly leads to the creation of more gods that get angry at each other, which leads to them getting even more angry at each other than they originally were, which angers a lot of other people too."

Something like that.

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

Hello may I ask about the secret chapter in the second orc book. Do I need to replay the whole campaign until the interlude: The Duke to make the choices appear? I already chosen humans to be slaughtered in the prelude choices

 

[r.ace613]

Hello may I ask about the secret chapter in the second orc book. Do I need to replay the whole campaign until the interlude: The Duke to make the choices appear? I already chosen humans to be slaughtered in the prelude choices

Just choose the bad options(all against humans) in both the first book and the second book iirc

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

Just choose the bad options(all against humans) in both the first book and the second book iirc

I already unlocked it, looks like I have to replay chapter 3 and 4 to unlock the choices in the duke

 

[Shar Dundred]

Act Five launches today.

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

Act Five launches today.

Wow that was fast. Jay havent even finished act IV hahaha. Ready to get thrilled on the true story of second books

 

[Vindicator777]

YES

Let's just hope our beloved Ephrog manage to survive new age of the second books

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

YES

Let's just hope our beloved Ephrog manage to survive new age of the second books

I hope he will be playable same with Thanok.

 

[krawg]

I hope he will be playable same with Thanok.

i hope so for thanok destroyer and general claire i hope they are made to be heros also i hope to see leadership boni for all races it would be cool

just finished your true stroy the progress so far is so good damn u gave alot of character to all factions i hope to see an ironfist change they are weak as hell keep the great work my man this is the greatest campaign in the hive or ever made just would like to let you know that you have fans from all around the world i hope to see the leadership boni in all the true the story its one of the features that made the sub so good, looks like innocent blenny is hiding some family drama peace

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

the new ironfist armor looks great

 

[Paul Emirique Ibanez]

There's only one chapter added right?

 

[r.ace613]

There's only one chapter added right?

yep

 

[Karmondia]

Today, my friends, is a happy, peaceful day. Why ruin it with killing innocent forest people? Our purple friends have done nothing wrong, and yet, we are required to kill them... I intend to change that. The dark trolls are a proud and peaceful nation! It's not fair to slaughter them, just because their leader has a pretty amulet, right? Join me, as I continue my pacifism in Arkain, by only killing Korjaha, and no one else.

 

[LISBOAH]

Here is my Faction Tier List.
I took into account several things to make this list: the characters that belong to said faction, the lore behind them, the unit diversity, of how much I want them explored, of how much I want to play them in future missions, etc...

 

[Kasrkin]

It's more of an alignment chart in the end I guess.

 

[nchp1903]

Damn. Poor Aridon and spooky Scarec bois, got sunk to the bottom of the list. Undeads have feelings too (or do they?).

By the way, have there been any community polls before, where people vote on their most/least favorite characters/factions and stuffs like that? Can be fun to see others' opinion and their reasonings behind it, and to see if I'm in the minority or majority.

 

[Vindicator777]

Here is my faction tier list.

 

[Mvicio]

I'll post my faction tier later but, is there a diference between stonelord and hammerfall dwarves?

 

[Karmondia]

Well everyone, I hope you brought your winter coats, because it will be deadly cold today... We are camping in the mountains with the orcs, but death is approaching. Join me, as I complete Death's Approach on hard:

 

[Karmondia]

Also, here is my faction tier list: