Race Discussion

[Chaos.]

Yes, Elemental Conglomerates is a must.
I think it would be a cool idea as the sacrificial pit type building that you wanted. Sacrifice 2, make 1

Dust elemental (air, earth)
Ice elemental (air, water)
Spark elemental (air, fire)
Lava elemental (earth, fire)
Mud elemental (earth, water)
Steam elemental (fire, water)

 

[GhostThruster]

Shouldn't Storm be water and wind? Water and wind isn't ice because water itself is ice. All 5 elements = life? So if I set my house on fire, pee on it and simultaneously send lightning towards, create an earthquake on it, and place it amidst a tornado I will end up with a baby?

 

[AIagremm]

No. But you are made of earth and water, you need air to live, the fire inside you warms you and lighting unites everything.

 

[Misha]

ROFL!

no.. we'll NOT have the life elemental :3

 

[AIagremm]

Of course, it would be stupid, plus life as ultimate conglomerate was used only in alchemy.

 

[Misha]

so.. what do we need now? :3

 

[Chaos.]

Here's a few
1-2 abilities for basic melee unit (earth)
1 ability for advanced melee (earth)
1-2 abilities for suppotive unit (like kodo beast) (water)
1 ability for light flying unit (air)
1 level 3 ability for spell caster (fire)
1 level 3 ability for spell caster (air)

 

[Tleno]

Right...
and actually Greeks created this 4 element thing first... then Romans added lightning, Arabians used death instead of lightning, Chinese used wood and Japanese emptyness (Or void)...
In Warcraft world there are 4-5 elementals, I'm not sure...
Your current idea is similar to D&D one. There is some kinda like orb, and in 6 parts of it (Some kinda like 3D cross), there are fire, water, air, earth, life and death worlds. In a middle there are light and shadow worlds, and bettween two worlds there are one sub-world that is combination of both and between sub-worlds and sub-worlds and main worlds there are more sub-sub worlds, which means there's endless amount of worlds, most of which make no sence... (Like vacuum one ^^)

 

[Lore-Wolf]

can I help with the elementals? :3

 

[AIagremm]

Actually Japanese also added metall as a separate element.
Romans have added lightning? I dont believe it. They never create anything - they just steal from Greeks and destroy and conquer everything else.

 

[Tleno]

Yees, but they modified or changed lots of Greek stuff - like greek god names...

 

[Chaos.]

We don't need a history lesson. Get back to the race please.
@Lore-Wolf, of course you can. Anyone is welcome to help.

 

[Tleno]

...much?
Hey, Romans at least created the new names for their Gods, so those names can be used to name planets, right? And what you are gonna do about Romans? Ban then for CnP? Lol, anyway, can we now go back on topic? So exactly what spells do you want?

 

[Chaos.]

look one page back. Those are the spells i need ideas for.

 

[Misha]

tleno.. get your old avatar back, i'm confusing you with Pyritie, >_<

Chaos.. all those "wrong element" ideas by the people will NOT be in my elementals, only what i've said.

and Lore-Wolf, of course you're welcome to help

 

[GhostThruster]

Can you still add lightning abilities to some air units? Lightning is a real element, not like life and death crap, but if you only want four, than don't add lightning.

 

[Misha]

lightning does belong to air, yes

the lightning hero, (StormArchon), is the air hero, not something special.

 

[GhostThruster]

What is the supportive water kodo unit called?
Ability for light air flyer could be invisible detection.
What are the level 1 and 2 abilities of the Fire and Air casters?

 

[Chaos.]

I was thinking of naming that one Abyssal Manifest and calling the water hero Tide Hunter instead. Opinions, Misha?

Pyre Caster
1-Conflagration - Adds a negative buff on an enemy unit that damages him over time.
2-Combustion - Adds a buff to an enemy unit. When that unit dies, it explodes damaging enemy units.

Supporting spellcaster
1-Healing Zephyr - Sends a healing wind that regenerates the hitpoints of allied units withing an area.
2-Purifying winds - Removes all negative buffs from a target location.

 

[Misha]

I'd call the water hero Abyssal Manifest, thankyouverymuch :3

yes.. spells are okay :3

 

[Lore-Wolf]

so, what are you doing/searching/(or something ) for now? names for units?

 

[Chaos.]

Ability Ideas, mostly.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

for just random 'elemental spells' like earth fire water and such or for specific type unit? :3

 

[Misha]

we could think of upgrades maybe?
or do we need more abilities?

hmm.. how about..

some kind of fire-only berserk abilitie?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

how a bout a spell (dont have a name)
that is an earth kinda spell that rocks fortify a unit but slow him
so that you can use the spell in two ways?

 

[Misha]

a... partially inverted cripple or curse?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

yes, like you get an armour or hit point bonus.

 

[Misha]

i was thinking of inverted armor "reduction" and (normal) slow

 

[Lore-Wolf]

yes like make the armor bonus positive and just slow or something :3 idk if thats an idea

 

[Misha]

we'll see if Chaos agrees..

 

[Chaos.]

The only thing, is that the Fire Lord already has Molten Resistance which increases armor. But maybe as a unit upgrade.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

ok. but then for a upgrade decrees movement speed? maybe a like "shield ability"for like you can turn it on and off or such.

 

[Misha]

hmm.. now i'm not that for the said armor "curse" :/

anything else, Lore-Wolf, guys?

 

[Lore-Wolf]

which element types are used?

 

[Chaos.]

Fire, Water, Earth, Air.

Here are some key words that fall into the 4 catagories

Fire - fire, lava, magma, heat, sparks
Water - water, ice, frost, vapor
Earth - earth, rock, dirt, stone, minerals, dust, mud, sand
Air - air, wind, breeze, lightning, storm

I know that some people consider some of those as it's own element or a combination of 2 or more, but for this race those are just put under the most suitable catagory.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

and we are thinking for spells for heroes or units or..?

 

[Chaos.]

Units. I already have heroes. Most are done. Look a few pages back and you will see the list of needed ability ideas.

 

[Misha]

Oh btw Chaos, can't you throw a few names of your own? Ouo

 

[Chaos.]

Lol, and the other 3/4 of the ability names? Who came up with those? I have been throwing out my name ideas. hehe.

Btw, it's not the names I need it's the ability ideas.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

its hard for earth to not stun or armor or like the statue form of a gargoyle

 

[Misha]

Well earth is usually melee '~'

 

[Chaos.]

Yup. earth take the roles of basic melee, advanced melee, and siege unit in this race.

 

[GhostThruster]

Pyre Caster:
3-Burning Overdrive-Like Kaboom/Unstable concoction. Kills and EXPLODES!

Wind Caster:
3-Storm Sunder-Creates a tornado to damage buildings and slow units. Sorta like Earthquake.

Name of Water Kodo:
Possibly Dragoon of the Depths, Aqua Dragoon? If the unit is Kodo-like, will it be salamander-ish then?

 

[Chaos.]

"overdrive" sounds too mechanical imo. And it is too similar to combustion hich places a buff on a targeted unit and when that unit dies it explodes damaging nearby enemy units.

Sunder! nice idea but how do you break apart (sunder) a storm. I do like the word, though. But I just don't think it would suit for a tornado. I think that instead of the spellcaster creating a tornado it should turn itself into a raging tornado. Good, good, good, keep the ideas flowing.

It's kodo like in the sense of purpose (adds a boost to the army's capabilities with some sort of aura or something) it uses one of the water elemental models on the Hive.
And dragoon is like a powerful soldier. It wouldn't fit for that unit.

 

[GhostThruster]

Water Elementals look like elite soldiers to me. When I wrote Storm Sunder, I meant a Storm 'breaking apart' everything. Do what you want with Sunder. I just make the awesome names that's all.
What about 'Blazing Bloodlust'? Base ability could be Unholy Frenzy.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

and how about a chance of damage return for the earth units?
or burrow then jump out stunning or dealing dm
or make an earth elemental like have jump and where he drops it stuns and then have a small jumping range.

 

[GhostThruster]

To me, basic and adv melee have either passive, one-use or no abilities. Damage/stun abilities shouldn't be added to melees. Footmen have Defend, Tauren have pulverise, Ghouls and Abominations have Cannibalize, and Huntress has Moon Glaive/ Sentinel.

 

[Misha]

Dragoon of the depths.. i like it C:
i would want that name on some water unit

Hmm.. earth should maybe have absorb, which will be altered cannibalize

 

[Chaos.]

lol, I know what you meant. I was just messing with ya. Sundering Storm would be the proper way of saying it.

I do like the name Dragoon of the depths, but the kodo-like water elemental wouldn't fit for that. He is like the guy at the front lines holding the flag that encourages the others to fight. He isn't really much of a fighter himself. So Dragoon wouldn't fit for him.

As in absorbs minerals from the ground to increase HP? That might work. And I do like the idea of burrowing and coming up dealing damage. I might use that for earth hero.

 

[Chaos.]

Also, I'm thinking that we are gonna have to make extra 2 units. Reason being, is that we have 4 fire and 3 earth, but only 2 water and 2 air. So we need 2 more units, 1 air and 1 water. Let's make the water one a spellcaster but more along the lines of the Druid of the Claw, in the sense that it is a powerful unit. Then we could call him Dragoon of the Depths. Should he be water or Ice?

As for Air, the air elementals need some sort of warrior. Something with an average attack and higher HP. The reason for this is so that we can make good use of the Storm Archon's Lighting Renewal. The air spell caster and Light flying unit are very useful to have in your army. They aren't the type of units that you would just want to sacrifice to keep your hero alive, thus making that ability very ineffective. With an air "warrior" that doesn't have much use in terms of abilities, he could be used for keeping your hero alive.