"Project WarSoc"

[DoOs_101]

No a deal could mean that the server like for example gg-game platform server base their wc3 gameplay with ur moddified engine. We know already that battle net couldn't do that, but private servers see the benefit of it.

 

[MindWorX]

No a deal could mean that the server like for example gg-game platform server base their wc3 gameplay with ur moddified engine. We know already that battle net couldn't do that, but private servers see the benefit of it.

I don't know about that. Maybe. I'll see how the project goes. It would be interesting, but i'm not sure people would notice this project much. Kinda hard to get known when DotA is around.

 

[BOESERTEDDY]

Boooah, WarSoc would be so freaking awesome! I've always wanted to creat a real ORPG


Keep up the good work and don't read the posts here anymore, work instead :-D


(PS: About how long will it take untill we can use this cool tool? And is it legal... or do I get into prison ? )

but i'm not sure people would notice this project much.

I'm sure they would notice it. I've noticed it too

 

[MindWorX]

About how long will it take untill we can use this cool tool? And is it legal... or do I get into prison?

I'm not completely sure when this will be completed, but i'm hoping for a beta release within the next few months. But that's not guarrenteed, it's based on how well it's going now, but i might run into problems that will cause it to be longer. And yes, it's legal, and no you wont go to prison.


Shameless bump...

 

[BOESERTEDDY]

Thanks for response. You would be my hero if this would be working

PS: Will it be possible to use game-caches to store things, so that they can be used in the next game again. On multiplayer game-caches get deleted after the game... ... This would be very helpful to make orpgs...

 

[Craka_J]

The answer is yes. He has already told me on MSN that campaigns being multiplayer with this program will be one of it's great amazing features; hence, game-cache will be saved

 

[MindWorX]

Thanks for response. You would be my hero if this would be working

PS: Will it be possible to use game-caches to store things, so that they can be used in the next game again. On multiplayer game-caches get deleted after the game... ... This would be very helpful to make orpgs...

It's possible yes. But don't expect the game-cache to be the same on all computers, they'll only have the data you save for each player.

 

[Captain Griffen]

It could be sent through to the server...

...but that would be a major security risk, no?

 

[MindWorX]

It could be sent through to the server...

...but that would be a major security risk, no?

Package sniffers could catch it easily, but if you encrypt it before you send, you should be safe. Going to include a small Xor encryption. Not the safest, but works well on network.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Mindy, I wasn't worrying about it being intercepted, but rather it being edited. Character information could be editted if stored locally.

 

[MindWorX]

Mindy, I wasn't worrying about it being intercepted, but rather it being edited. Character information could be editted if stored locally.

Right, it's up to the users of WarSoc how they will handle traffic, but the standard package will use something as secure as possible, without too much waste traffic. I mean, keeping all variables on the server is safe, but will require some T3 connection to handle a small amount of players.

 

[Shadow_Fox]

So existing maps could not work, you'd have to add in all the custom natives and such, or completely start from scratch?

Edit: I like the name WarSoc ^^

Edit2: This sounds so f'in awsome, hope you finish it soon

 

[MindWorX]

I'm aiming at making it as easy as possible to port maps, but, for your own sake, make the map from scratch, since most existing jass things problably wont work.

 

[matyko]

Im not using jass! Does that mean I can start making it with the GUI triggers? ^^

 

[MindWorX]

Im not using jass! Does that mean I can start making it with the GUI triggers? ^^

Highly unlikely, but i guess it could be possible, in the very very very far future.

 

[HappyTauren]

fuck gui, learn jass, u got everything you need there , expecially witth new gen

 

[Horn]

Amen to that. We want quality code for Warsoc projects

 

[HappyTauren]

meh if mindy wanted to tell me everything about warsoc i could start a map already

 

[MindWorX]

meh if mindy wanted to tell me everything about warsoc i could start a map already

I'd love to tell you, problem is, i'm not even sure what everything will be yet.

 

[Hakeem]

I was using the World Editor one day, but I couldn't find the "Allow users to join after the game starts" checkbox. I was very disappointed.

Are you going to edit the main menus?
Can't you just save all the data when the server shuts down or the user logs off?
Can you change the ConvertRace and ConvertRacePref natives so that there can be more races?

 

[MindWorX]

Are you going to edit the main menus?

In what way?

Can't you just save all the data when the server shuts down or the user logs off?

Not sure what you mean?

Can you change the ConvertRace and ConvertRacePref natives so that there can be more races?

I can't do that sorry, that would require me to reverse engineer some code.

 

[Hakeem]

In what way?

Edit the main menus for a login screen or server selection list.

Not sure what you mean?

Character data. It needs to be stored on the server, so characters not in use could be saved instead of using memory, and when the server shuts down you would need to save the data.

I can't do that sorry, that would require me to reverse engineer some code.

Dang. My quest for a fifth melee race continues...

 

[Horror.Man]

This project is the best news since Wc3 came out. I'm a big fan of the game and the mapping community, and I really want to see a big revitalization of Wc3 in all of it's aspects.

 

[MindWorX]

Edit the main menus for a login screen or server selection list.

That would be reverse engineering again, i might create an external application for this, but no guarrenteed.

Character data. It needs to be stored on the server, so characters not in use could be saved instead of using memory, and when the server shuts down you would need to save the data.

Already doing that using mySQL.

This project is the best news since Wc3 came out. I'm a big fan of the game and the mapping community, and I really want to see a big revitalization of Wc3 in all of it's aspects.

That's what i'm hoping to do with this project, start a new spark in people, so that there will be a new bunch of maps released, that will use this.

 

[Cabloo1]

So ummm how the hell do u use those native things for 32 player???

 

[DeaD_MeN_WalkiN]

Hey I'd like to beta test, drop me a PM whenever you want.

 

[Cabloo1]

Hmmmm I think a First Person Shooter could be really cool. You could have like abilities for gernades, when u select a unit it deselects and selects ur self and it dmgs the enemy unit, i have some really cool ideas for it, viewed out of your own eyes through special camera, it could be a huge hit if you made like 50 players!

 

[Kixer]

Hey Mind are you adding complete keyboard detection?
So lets say triggers can detect spacebar or tab being pressed?

 

[MindWorX]

Hmmmm I think a First Person Shooter could be really cool. You could have like abilities for gernades, when u select a unit it deselects and selects ur self and it dmgs the enemy unit, i have some really cool ideas for it, viewed out of your own eyes through special camera, it could be a huge hit if you made like 50 players!

That shouldn't be impossible, i've already added mouse support to the natives, and i made a first person view using it. Very easy.

Hey Mind are you adding complete keyboard detection?
So lets say triggers can detect spacebar or tab being pressed?

I can't make it an "event", say "if player clicks 'key'", but i can make natives to check key states, like, to check if SPACE is pressed, or check if TAB is pressed. This, along with a periodic trigger, will make a nice movement system.

 

[HappyTauren]

That shouldn't be impossible, i've already added mouse support to the natives, and i made a first person view using it. Very easy.



I can't make it an "event", say "if player clicks 'key'", but i can make natives to check key states, like, to check if SPACE is pressed, or check if TAB is pressed. This, along with a periodic trigger, will make a nice movement system.

OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT IS EXACTLY WHY MY PROJECT FAILED 0.0

i might redo it from scratch with custom nativez

 

[Leo]

Are you sure this is legal? Hopefully it is, but have you looked into it?

I was looking around briefly online and I came across this http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/02/news_6132467.html

 

[MindWorX]

Are you sure this is legal? Hopefully it is, but have you looked into it?

I was looking around briefly online and I came across this http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/02/news_6132467.html

From what i've gathered, reverse engineering is the real issue, and screwing with battle.net is an issue too, since i'm doing none of those things, i'm pretty sure what i'm doing is legal. It might not be something blizzard is going to suggest, but i don't think they're going to do a cease'n'desist either. But if they do, then i'll shut down the project, tho i think it would be a bad move, since my project might increase the sales of Warcraft III, because of renewed fun and features.

The only project i see blizzard might be having issues with is Project WarSoc itself, since it adds a secondary way to play multiplayer games.

 

[Leo]

From what i've gathered, reverse engineering is the real issue, and screwing with battle.net is an issue too, since i'm doing none of those things, i'm pretty sure what i'm doing is legal. It might not be something blizzard is going to suggest, but i don't think they're going to do a cease'n'desist either. But if they do, then i'll shut down the project, tho i think it would be a bad move, since my project might increase the sales of Warcraft III, because of renewed fun and features.

The only project i see blizzard might be having issues with is Project WarSoc itself, since it adds a secondary way to play multiplayer games.

the main part I am concerned about is the multiplayer aspect - sorry forgot to clarify that.

Perhaps it might be worthwhile to email Blizzard and notify them of the project. I was just thinking if I was the one doing all this work, I wouldn't want blizzard to come telling me to stop after put in countless hours.

 

[MindWorX]

the main part I am concerned about is the multiplayer aspect - sorry forgot to clarify that.

Perhaps it might be worthwhile to email Blizzard and notify them of the project. I was just thinking if I was the one doing all this work, I wouldn't want blizzard to come telling me to stop after put in countless hours.

Problem is, contacting them by email, will get me a standard respones, waiting for them to notice me, will give a personal response. Either way is bad, but i would rather wait for the personal one.

 

[DoOs_101]

The defendants in the case, Ross Combs and Rob Crittenden, reverse-engineered the Blizzard protocol using tools like "tcpdump" to listen to the software's communications with a game server. Eventually, their "bnetd" project let Blizzard games connect with unofficial servers, yielding benefits like faster response times.

Holy shit... I think I'm in deep trouble for that

 

[Leo]

Problem is, contacting them by email, will get me a standard respones, waiting for them to notice me, will give a personal response. Either way is bad, but i would rather wait for the personal one.

ah well, best of luck

 

[MindWorX]

ah well, best of luck

Thanks alot. I really hope there wont be any problems with blizzard, since people seem to like the project.

 

[DoOs_101]

I think what they're saying is as long as you don't modify their program bnet, its fine. You can create your own bnet though like gg-game.

 

[HappyTauren]

that would basically be that, but you swould actually play in singleplayer, so it will lost aspect of bnet, and actually it USES NOTHING LIKE BNET (bnet in singleplayer?!)

 

[Unscrewed_Magic]

Will any of our mpq files still work with the WarSoc map format ?

Is it possibe to make a program that goes through our old jass and adds your custom nanativs to it ?

You said that all spells will have to be triggerd. Does this mean that the spell resource section will start accepting triggered versions of spells that already exist in the WE OE.

 

[MindWorX]

Will any of our mpq files still work with the WarSoc map format ?

Is it possibe to make a program that goes through our old jass and adds your custom nanativs to it ?

There is very few things added to the mpq's, so making your old mpq's work with WarSoc shouldn't be impossible, and a program that does it should be possible too, but not something i'd know how to do.

You said that all spells will have to be triggered. Does this mean that the spell resource section will start accepting triggered versions of spells that already exist in the WE OE.

The spell section will most likely not accept spells that are made specifically for WarSoc, but if there's enough interest, i'll make a small resource subforum.

 

[Rui]

I didn't quite get the last answer. Does it mean that all existing (default) will have to be coded/triggered? Heal, Divine Shield, and all of them?

 

[MindWorX]

I didn't quite get the last answer. Does it mean that all existing (default) will have to be coded/triggered? Heal, Divine Shield, and all of them?

Yes. The problem is the way my project will handles data online. I need to keep everything syncronized, and if a normal ability isn't syncronised, that means it wont work. It might look like it works on your client, but the others wont see it.

 

[Rui]

That's weird. If a Heal was used on my unit, the unit would obviously gain 25 HP. Assuming it was 200 HP, it would be 225 HP in my client but still 200 on the other clients?

 

[MindWorX]

That's weird. If a Heal was used on my unit, the unit would obviously gain 25 HP. Assuming it was 200 HP, it would be 225 HP in my client but still 200 on the other clients?

Exactly. Remember, to avoid lawsuits and any legal issues, i'm working around blizzards own multiplayer competely. This means you'll be starting a singleplayer map, and then tell the map which game to syncronize to, and it'll start syncing. But normal abilities can't be synced without massive triggerwork, this is why i decided to make all abilities require complete triggering. But it's going to be easy, no worries. There will be a whole package similar to vexorians spell system, but that works with WarSoc.

 

[Rui]

That's a relief. GJ

 

[HappyTauren]

Is it possibe to make a program that goes through our old jass and adds your custom nanativs to it ?



no, it would messs it up anyway. Because functions, though equalent, do not takes same parameters.

 

[Diablo-dk]

Does this mean that most functions will have a "replacement"?
Functions like UnitDamageTarget() will then be something like UnitDamageTargetWS()? (WS as in WarSoc)

or does the already existing natives work?

 

[MindWorX]

Does this mean that most functions will have a "replacement"?
Functions like UnitDamageTarget() will then be something like UnitDamageTargetWS()? (WS as in WarSoc)

or does the already existing natives work?

Most of them will have an replacement, or equivelant.

 

[HappyTauren]

funew native functions will prolly have less parameters cause it will always hit GetLocalPlayer()