New Content Discussion [SPOILER]

[Shar Dundred]

He asked me to make it harder.

 

[Boriss]

Has anyone figured out what triggers the Goldaxe to switch sides when we play as Rath? I am playing for way over an hour and still nothing.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Do your quest, waiting won't help you.

 

[Kasrkin]

He asked me to make it harder.

Reporting in from the cold and snow just to say it wasn't difficult at all, the clans never attacked Rangul and the clan bases were small. Back to work for me

 

[Boriss]

Reporting in from the cold and snow just to say it wasn't difficult at all, the clans never attacked Rangul and the clan bases were small. Back to work for me

Really? Because as both Rath and Rangul on hard the Deathbreeze base was almost obliterated on several occasions.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Probably because I made the Deathbreeze difficulty harder, as was requested, while making
Darkmind & Goldaxe easier - as requested.

 

[Kasrkin]

Probably because I made the Deathbreeze difficulty harder, as was requested, while making
Darkmind & Goldaxe easier - as requested.

I didn't ask for those two to be easier i killed Destroyer when I wasn't at max food cap you saw that. The only healing I had was scrolls of healing. Well goldaxe was literally unwinnable at first so I guess that's true.

 

[Boriss]

Probably because I made the Deathbreeze difficulty harder, as was requested, while making
Darkmind & Goldaxe easier - as requested.

The green and purple attacks when we play as rangul and yellow and red attacks on rath when we play as rath could use some 30 sec or 1 minute more time between them.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I dunno I felt like Rath was pretty easy once you downed the first three small orc clans just make sure to pull their units and rush their turrets then townhall that way you secure pretty good meatshields to guard your base from the thugs in red and the edgy furry green orcs.

 

[Kasrkin]

You just gotta believe!

Spoiler

The Deathbreeze have a unit buff they should not actually have, this will be corrected in the next update.

 

[Mvicio]

The Deathbreeze have a unit buff they should not actually have, this will be corrected in the next update

The burning oil?

 

[Boriss]

You just gotta believe!

Spoiler

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The Deathbreeze have a unit buff they should not actually have, this will be corrected in the next update.

Is that from your testing or from the released version?

 

[Kasrkin]

From the released version, last night.

 

[Boriss]

From the released version, last night.

what army composition you used? what was the targeting priority for you? go for acolytes first or for caster support?

 

[Kasrkin]

what army composition you used? what was the targeting priority for you? go for acolytes first or for caster support?

Caster support needs to die immediately, the high shamans will tear through your army and the stasis wards will kill you even if manage to start winning.

Grunts, raiders, a few shamans for sweet purge, doctors, a mix of axethrowers and demos because you're not going to get close to the casters in the Ironthunder base when you first start fighting so you're going to need to target them down and most of their roster is unarmored.

 

[Boriss]

Im thinking that their front line should get light armor/unarmored, it would fit their roster thematically as well as provide some exploitable weakness for us to use.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I am not making them weak because you think that Hard is too hard.

 

[Championfighter25]

You ever hear the tragedy of Jolly Krom the Immortal? I thought not. It's not a story the kingdoms would tell you.
Jolly Krom was an Arkainian sharpshooter of the Arkainians. He was so powerful and wise use could use his bow... to always hit bat and bear rider models with bugged hit boxes.
The Krom powers are a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was missing a shot, which eventually, of course, he did.
He taught Aedale everything he knew, then she blocked a shot of his at the Gates of Hell battle. Ironic, he could save others from embarrassment, but not himself.

Anyways.
The new units will make a fine addition... no, enough of that.
The new units look pretty cool and will make Zyainor's air strategy that we'll all use against the golden guard a bit more varied.

 

[Boriss]

I am not making them weak because you think that Hard is too hard.

Im suggesting it because it would fit their roster thematically and, well, having distinct strengths (and weaknesses) in roster is what makes a faction unique.

 

[Mvicio]

I am not making them weak because you think that Hard is too hard.

You could always increase their stats because they use Shamanistic powers to enhance their inner strength
Or something like that

 

[LISBOAH]

I love the new addition to the soon-to-be reborn Kingdom of Zyainor!!

So, we have men, dragons and wolves on the same side. All we needed was some sort of maggot-like race and a joke of a certain movie could become reality. XD

 

[Enki555]

Finally, dragons! It seems those servants can land and slash during the heat of battle like perfect assassins.

 

[Shar Dundred]

ARKAIN NEWSFLASH
According to insider information, new terrors are being worked on below the mountain home
of the Undead factions, fittingly called the Dead Mountain!
Out contacts claim that the Ejara and the Ardoz have decided to cooperate once more.
We can only speculate what horrors they will unleash upon the world once they are done.

For you, Arkain News Network - your only trustworthy source of information!

 

[Boriss]

ARKAIN NEWSFLASH
According to insider information, new terrors are being worked on below the mountain home
of the Undead factions, fittingly called the Dead Mountain!
Out contacts claim that the Ejara and the Ardoz have decided to cooperate once more.
We can only speculate what horrors they will unleash upon the world once they are done.

For you, Arkain News Network - your only trustworthy source of information!

Im sure its gonna be a pain to kill whatever they cook up. Thank the gods they never met some of the more... inventive skaven clans

 

[Kasrkin]

Spoiler

 

[Mvicio]

According to insider information, new terrors are being worked on below the mountain home
of the Undead factions, fittingly called the Dead Mountain!
Out contacts claim that the Ejara and the Ardoz have decided to cooperate once more.
We can only speculate what horrors they will unleash upon the world once they are done.

For you, Arkain News Network - your only trustworthy source of information!

Big-ass Skeletor Nerubian inbound.

 

[Enki555]

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Damn. Looks scary and irksome. So, Ardoz decided to purchase undead cattle of unfortunate Icewind orcs and nerubians from Ejara's locust? Whatever Frankenstein they fancied, it looks nightmarish. Assembled from orc and nerubian parts? Oh, hubris...

 

[LISBOAH]

Damn. Looks scary and irksome. So, Ardoz decided to purchase undead cattle of unfortunate Icewind orcs and nerubians from Ejara's locust? Whatever Frankenstein they fancied, it looks nightmarish. Assembled from orc and nerubian parts? Oh, hubris...

Just the face alone seems to come straight out of a nightmare...

If this unit doesn't have some sort of passive ability that reduces the damage inflicted by all enemy units in the map by at least 50%, I will be dissapointed...

 

[DD Mikasa]

Why does it look like that some crypt fiend learned the secret stash of inhalable drugs of some kingpin of Arkain and now he is here to bring us pain.

 

[Kasrkin]

I didn't mean for it to end up like this but it was still amazing.

Spoiler

How to get the Moghtar and Clans to work together, throw something even more disgusting than their disgust for eachother. Maybe

 

[LISBOAH]

Oh...

I thought it would be a gigantic creature with a mixture of orcs' and nerubians' parts, like if it came out straight out of Dark Souls or Bloodborne!!

 

[DD Mikasa]

That Grunt but to turn white and its not cuz of him dying or smth...

 

[Shar Dundred]

Oh, you have no idea...

 

[Mvicio]

That... Thing is awful. The Ardoz Nexus are pro knitters, I love It.

I thought it would be a gigantic creature with a mixture of orcs' and nerubians' parts, like if it came out straight out of Dark Souls or Bloodborne!!

Yeah, i thought it would be like a cooler abomination or something.

But the result is good anyway.

 

[Enki555]

I didn't mean for it to end up like this but it was still amazing.

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How to get the Moghtar and Clans to work together, throw something even more disgusting than their disgust for eachother. Maybe

Oh, amazing! The dungeons of Ardoz were filled with poor nerubian and orc screams, I'm sure. Orcs gonna puke finally.

 

[merlockqueen]

I enjoyed the new Golden Axe option but I was confused on who Dogran is it feels like I missed his introduction i just got him mixed up with the golden axe guy on the wolf. Also I wonder if the destroyer was lying since orki was an importanish charcter in orc book 2. also I have a properly already explored theory about the golden axe clan leader.

 

[Boriss]

I enjoyed the new Golden Axe option but I was confused on who Dogran is it feels like I missed his introduction i just got him mixed up with the golden axe guy on the wolf. Also I wonder if the destroyer was lying since orki was an importanish charcter in orc book 2. also I have a properly already explored theory about the golden axe clan leader.

Some changes may occur here from what happened in the orc/human/undead books. For example in the first orc book the destroyer got killed when uniting the clans.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I enjoyed the new Golden Axe option but I was confused on who Dogran is it feels like I missed his introduction i just got him mixed up with the golden axe guy on the wolf. Also I wonder if the destroyer was lying since orki was an importanish charcter in orc book 2. also I have a properly already explored theory about the golden axe clan leader.

Dogran has a very brief appearance during chapter eight of the first orc book, where he together with a blade master from the skull crusher clan(the green one I cant remember orc clan's names for shit) are running away from undeads and end up in a cave system, here you have to escort those two till the end when they face the undead vanessa and then are killed by Aridon.

My guess would be that he is some kind of field commander of the Golden axe the same as the wolf rider you mistook him for (he could be new, since when you play as golden axe and you subdue minor clans to pay you for protection the wolf rider congratulates you on a job well done and impressing the warchief) He died way to quick during the FOB to have any importance or to be remember for that fact, while here it looks like he might play a more important role per say, even tho now that Destroyer, Lokar, The skullcrusher chieftain (Whatever his name with to many G is) and Dogran himself adds an awful lot of hero units to the player so I would defo expect some of them to bite the dust sooner or later.

 

[merlockqueen]

Though im still so excited for when Vanessa comes in again I hope she comes in earlier than orc book one where it felt like she only got one or two missions. Please give me my golem girl Shar and don't kill her please she's one of my favorites "cries knowing she's a great candidate for death".

 

[Enki555]

Though im still so excited for when Vanessa comes in again I hope she comes in earlier than orc book one where it felt like she only got one or two missions. Please give me my golem girl Shar and don't kill her please she's one of my favorites "cries knowing she's a great candidate for death".

I'm pretty sure Vanessa survives canonically, but undead Vanessa is nice fate too (which, of course, depends on Shar's decision if he prefers FUB path). And yes she is the best warrioress Her forked lightning, golem, fan of knives, and command aura turns the tide of battle. No wonder she is Aridon's fav to some degree.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Though im still so excited for when Vanessa comes in again I hope she comes in earlier than orc book one where it felt like she only got one or two missions. Please give me my golem girl Shar and don't kill her please she's one of my favorites "cries knowing she's a great candidate for death".

I'm pretty sure Vanessa survives canonically, but undead Vanessa is nice fate too (which, of course, depends on Shar's decision if he prefers FUB path). And yes she is the best warrioress Her forked lightning, golem, fan of knives, and command aura turns the tide of battle. No wonder she is Aridon's fav to some degree.

Yeah girl had potential but it all went away her "biggest" achievement is giving us Shield bearers if we go with her side of how to do things, She was introduced way to late on the first orc book and she was completely pushed aside by Amari during the second orc book, which its sad but then again Amari just like her has the same mindset on how to approach and do things, I mean even at SOB Vanessa doesn't have that many appearances as for a hero unit SHE IS A CHAMP, crowd control AOE spells and a pretty neat aura. As for Undead Vanessa, yeah weird, would highly advise against it no thank you leave her as an obscure orc character rather than add her to the undead hordes them rotting corpses got already alot of characters of their own that can take the spotlight.

 

[merlockqueen]

Vanessa is a character with a very complicated web of intrigue of whos she's connected with and her own morality and goals. I think her being able to stay or go go, in the second orc book depending on your choices shows she follows her own ethic, but shield bearers were pretty great tbf and she got more out of SoB than Ragnul.

 

[Boriss]

Another bunch o suggestions for uniting the clans:
Have the minor clans pay less gold to us on higher difficulties when we play as Goldaxe: something like 2000/1000/500 on easy/normal/hard
I would also recommend giving the Outriders medium armor, same as Darkmind ranged wolf riders to make them more of a raider unit that really doesnt like engaging enemy front liners, they have the heavy warlord for that after all
I'd also swap the Goldseeker armor from medium to heavy along with pop and cost increase

 

[Alarich]

Speaking about Vanessa's fate and choice system in general. When I played The First Books and even later playing the Second Books i was pretty sure that this is one story just from different perspective. For exemple naval battle from the first books where we have one map for all free races: we attack as orcs, counterattack with humans and at last undead destroys both fleets in each storyline, we can also see different parts of that one map. So, there is no or little controversal parts between these storylines. Vanessa... It seems to me she is the Undead - Rhohir Undead, spy of Aridon among the Orcs. She uses magic to look like a living person - it even increases her role. She can also provoke her Father Redfist, since the Watcher wants orcish kind dead.

 

[Boriss]

Nice touch with naming the three Ironfist elites. I do wonder if we will be able to save Salana's apprentice.

 

[merlockqueen]

I hope so ever since "Largoth" said one more or one less mortal wont matter in reference to Lera. I felt she may be extremely important somehow just one of those kind of theories. I am extremely interested in how Adeales story will playout as well.

 

[Mvicio]

Not sure about Ferdal, but both Herdon and Tormin are the soldiers from the ironfist short story.
So they surviving this battle is Canon.

 

[DD Mikasa]

@Mvicio

He must have really done smth bad to earn that nickname, and maybe finally we will get special generic unit units like Shar promised us? You know like Naisha used to be back on WC3 TFT, I am actually excited about that!

 

[merlockqueen]

or shandris was in reign of chaos she was just kinda of a neat girl with a bow i though the concept was super duper coolio

 

[Enki555]

Nice touch with naming the three Ironfist elites. I do wonder if we will be able to save Salana's apprentice.

Yeah, me too. If Lera survives, it would be really neat storywise; she might join Ironfist though. To make it happen, canonically, considering Salana is very likely to be wounded by Ironfist, it would be logical to establish her connection with Larine (considering she will be crowned as a queen). Maybe before Larine's exile, it can be added 'they were even good friends and in the same ranger corps'. Also, Lera pretty much doubts Renova and this can be a further motivating factor. So, Lera defecting and siding with Larine can still be possible if this story element is introduced.
If she dies, she is very likely to be raised as an undead ranger (Remember the FOB mission where she was dark ranger serving Rohir nexus?). Perhaps, as an undead, she can bond with Keera, her former queen, and would be one of the key members forming Daviliad nexus.

Not sure about Ferdal, but both Herdon and Tormin are the soldiers from the ironfist short story.
So they surviving this battle is Canon.

Can't wait to see them in action.

I hope so ever since "Largoth" said one more or one less mortal wont matter in reference to Lera. I felt she may be extremely important somehow just one of those kind of theories. I am extremely interested in how Adeales story will playout as well.

Well, well Largoth is a deceiver... As for Aedale, I just wish she manages to get herself away from Lisara's influence. OR at least enslaving Lisara and using her powers to sabotage Dark One's armies. She is too potential to be sacrificed as Largoth's pawn. OR perhaps Lisara's story can change considerably; even leading Mogthar armies after being released officially by Largoth. That would be a really nice sight though.