Naval Battle - v1.39d

[Ayraclus]

You are awesome.
Could it be that the ability itself ended before one of the ships ran out of mana?

EDIT:
Found a bug. South gate switch doesn't work, the gate doesn't open.
We played a third game, neither of the gates opened.

 

[TKF]

You are awesome.
Could it be that the ability itself ended before one of the ships ran out of mana?

EDIT:
Found a bug. South gate switch doesn't work, the gate doesn't open.
We played a third game, neither of the gates opened.

Does the boarding ability end by itself every time? It shouldn't do that in simple boarding mode.

Naval Battle 1.35e Damage increase when surpassing 285 speed instead of 300 speed Fixed a gate opening bug

I did test it now and it should work now.

 

[ForTiNeRo]

nice updates man

 

[Ayraclus]

The gate is still buggy.
Had no trouble opening it, however, once my opponent managed to close it (and place 2 towers in front of the switch) I couldn't get it open again. I broke the towers and used an undead crew to hit the lever, but the gate didn't move and the game displayed
"Gate opened
Gate locked"
every time I tried. If I can suggest something, wouldn't it be easier to go back to the "No special conditions lever" and put it somewhere where you can't/it's-not-worth-to reach with demolisher/mortars?

Also, the duration of the boarding spell is still too short, fights above 350 crew or so take longer than the duration of the channeling of the spell, thus releasing your opponent alive, albeit with less crew, ready to blast you into oblivion at point blank range.

 

[TKF]

The gate is still buggy.
Had no trouble opening it, however, once my opponent managed to close it (and place 2 towers in front of the switch) I couldn't get it open again. I broke the towers and used an undead crew to hit the lever, but the gate didn't move and the game displayed
"Gate opened
Gate locked"
every time I tried. If I can suggest something, wouldn't it be easier to go back to the "No special conditions lever" and put it somewhere where you can't/it's-not-worth-to reach with demolisher/mortars?

There's no special conditions, the gate should close and open according to triggers. Just removed the ability to target debris from siege equipments and mortars.

I can change it to a crew entering near the switch instead of hitting, but afaik it shouldn't bug off totally as the trigger open/closes the gate. The trigger responds to a event when the lever dies, so there's no conditions.

Also, the duration of the boarding spell is still too short, fights above 350 crew or so take longer than the duration of the channeling of the spell, thus releasing your opponent alive, albeit with less crew, ready to blast you into oblivion at point blank range.

Well in simple boarding mode the boarding duration only lasts for 15 seconds. The boarding ends also there.

 

[Toxic 75]

4/5 The Demon Gave Me A Boot.

 

[Ayraclus]

There's no special conditions, the gate should close and open according to triggers. Just removed the ability to target debris from siege equipments and mortars.

I can change it to a crew entering near the switch instead of hitting, but afaik it shouldn't bug off totally as the trigger open/closes the gate. The trigger responds to a event when the lever dies, so there's no conditions.

I'm not sure what's up with the gate. in the games where the gate bugged in 1.35e, someone managed to hit the switch with a demolisher using the Attack ground feature. One game I did it while breaking a cannon tower someone placed right besides the switch, the second game a friend did it trying to glitch the game open.
EDIT: Could it be that only Crew can open the gate? I tried with Pirate crew and Undead crew and couldn't get it open.

Well in simple boarding mode the boarding duration only lasts for 15 seconds. The boarding ends also there.

I see. it makes it kinda ineffective late game.

Nevertheless, the updates are awesome. I hope we can see more!

EDIIT 2:
The game crashed, I think it was related to the critical cannon's chain lighting, but I'm not really sure. I shot at a bunch of towers, the lighting started, game crashed.

The naga trasure can still be looted too early in the game:
http://puu.sh/2bCIa/5a282ae36c

 

[ForTiNeRo]

I think the best thing will be a detailed bug report. I will play some more games with Ayraclus and we will try to list them down. That way we won't forget to report some little but annoying issues, and also you won't get shot with random bugs every day.

edit: by any chance do you use Google Docs/Drive? If so, we can share that list also with you. We work that way with our project and it really makes it easier.

 

[TKF]

I'm not sure what's up with the gate. in the games where the gate bugged in 1.35e, someone managed to hit the switch with a demolisher using the Attack ground feature. One game I did it while breaking a cannon tower someone placed right besides the switch, the second game a friend did it trying to glitch the game open.
EDIT: Could it be that only Crew can open the gate? I tried with Pirate crew and Undead crew and couldn't get it open.

I can fix the ground fire with siege equipment, but still, I cannot see why the gate switches fails, It never happened to me. Does it repeat in every game? You need no special crew to flip the switch as long as something is hitting it.

I think the best thing will be a detailed bug report. I will play some more games with Ayraclus and we will try to list them down. That way we won't forget to report some little but annoying issues, and also you won't get shot with random bugs every day.

edit: by any chance do you use Google Docs/Drive? If so, we can share that list also with you. We work that way with our project and it really makes it easier.

No, but just make a list of bugs and abuses, then I will try fix them all.

Idea:
In next version I plan to perhaps make you pay gold when deploying crew, since they are kinda "free" to deploy. At least that will make massive crew landing not a unfair raiding tactic with high crew levels they are good at tearing down towers and main harbor. What do you think about it? 40 gold pr deployed normal crew? Special crews (item deployed) 60 gold each? But they are quite easy to kill off with ships and they give off bounty.

 

[Ayraclus]

To be honest, crews are already weak enough as it is. The upgrade cap at 100 really doesn't make mass-deploying a viable strategy. One cannon barrage late game can mow down everything you deploy. Also, the terrain of the map doesn't help either: in order to deploy crew at something you need to be at the harbor (expect for the naga one) and as soon as you deploy, the cannon towers firing at you will kill the crew due to splash.
About the switch thing: I never had any issue again with the gates, but also didn't try to open them with special crews anymore (Undead for example).

 

[TKF]

To be honest, crews are already weak enough as it is. The upgrade cap at 100 really doesn't make mass-deploying a viable strategy. One cannon barrage late game can mow down everything you deploy. Also, the terrain of the map doesn't help either: in order to deploy crew at something you need to be at the harbor (expect for the naga one) and as soon as you deploy, the cannon towers firing at you will kill the crew due to splash.
About the switch thing: I never had any issue again with the gates, but also didn't try to open them with special crews anymore (Undead for example).

Well, I can remove the splash damage cannon towers do to crew, but its quite deadly to kills a bunch of crew with players cannons so you got a point. But I will most likely apply this on the custom crew items which as quite useful and can do many things. Mortar teams is good at taking down towers etc... Also you don't need to unload the crew near the harbor where the cannons focus on your ship, there's a landing area a bit left to the base so the crew can run around and attack the harbor from the west side (on both bases).

Can perhaps set a even lower gold costs on fighting crews maybe (20 each and 50 for specials) and set the crew upgrade cap limit to 200, although just doing this will extend loading time.


I plan to redesign the cannon system so it has more variation than just 2 types of cannon damage types (Cannon and Spell damage), but that will take a lot of time and testings. Before that I may release yet another bugfix version. Maybe I get some little time tomorrow to make a minor bugfix update related to getting the naga treasure to early.

 

[Ayraclus]

That sounds great!
About the crew upgrades, can't you just make the upgrades apply every 5 points of crew, and make each level of the upgrade stronger?

 

[ForTiNeRo]

I think a cost for landing crew would be pointless.. by the time you have that high crew level and stuff, a couple of bucks won't bother at all..

 

[TKF]

Since I got no more bugreports until now, I'm going to release the current bugfix version

Naval Battle 1.35f Made counters to prevent naga looting Fixed a bug that allowed attack ground to trigger gate switch Changed the damage and armor names in the map Also change the damage modifier values and some ships armors Trees near the naga treasure will now regrow Reduced the range of demolisher from 1750 to 1550 Increased the attack cooldown of mortar crew Closing both gates will now properly cut off supplies from homelands Deploying crew will now cost you 20 gold each Deploying special crew will now cost you 50 gold each Loading back crew will return you the gold Added -la command (Load all nearby crew)

Attack changes

• Crude, Arrow, Normal, Magical, Siege

Armors changes

• Light, Elven, Heavy, Fortified

Description of Siege attack type
200% vs Fortified, 50% vs Light


You will notice that some units have a new type of attack called crude. Also made it quite clear how much armor takes damage from what types of attacks. Maybe I will add 1 more armor type, so far its 4 armor types and 5 attack types. This will be more important when I add attack types to the cannons. So far item cannons do Spell or Crude damage (mostly crude). Crude it poorest kind of attack since it get reduced by armor and spell damage reducing items, but it 100% damage vs all armor types.

 

[InfernalTater]

Additional damage for being fast? Sounds stupid to me... Considering that armors reduce speed and faster ships are weaker ships, you'd already be weaker by being faster. Additionally, while there are wonderful big ships for 20,000 gold, anyone who wants a fast ship would have to be satisfied with a weak one from early-game. Adding a handicap to faster ships just makes them absolutely defenseless, and advocates using a giant slow ship with no skill instead, especially when there are seekers, splash damage, barrages and such which would still kill faster ships.

As always, noobs complain until skillful playstyles are made useless until it's just a game of no skill.

Using a ship with 2,000 hull and skillfully dodging cannon shots is overpowered, so let's make them take double damage. Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong with having a ship with 20,000 hull and being slow. Let's make everybody giant tanks with no skill involved instead.

While you're at it, you might as well bring back the auto-aim.

There's a reason snipers have long range and shotguns have short range in most games, even though in real life a shotgun can shoot quite far. It's for balance. A shotgun doesn't require much skill to use in-game, and it would be overpowered if it could kill targets from 100 meters like it can in real life. Meanwhile, a sniper is harder to hit people with in-game, but with a skilled user can be deadly.

Slow and fast ships are the same way. A big, slow ship doesn't take much skill to use. You won't be dodging, anyway, so there's no skill in maneuvering. You'll just be sitting around sponging all the shots. A small, fast ship with such low hull that it gets 1-shot by any volley late-game is harder to use, and relies on the user being skilled at maneuvering and aiming. A noob in a small, fast ship would simply get ripped apart. By making the faster ships even weaker, when they were already very weak, you are supporting the removal of skill from the game.

 

[Ayraclus]

Shock cruiser -> 4 cannons, relatively small frame, kick ass speed, above average hull.

The bigger ships are sitting ducks. It's not about killing fast ships but about giving big ships some sort of utility. Even with the speed penalty, fast ships kick the crap out of the bigger ones because, by the point you can get them, everyone is armed to the teeth and can oneshot the other most of the time.

 

[InfernalTater]

Shock cruiser -> 4 cannons, relatively small frame, kick ass speed, above average hull.

The bigger ships are sitting ducks. It's not about killing fast ships but about giving big ships some sort of utility. Even with the speed penalty, fast ships kick the crap out of the bigger ones because, by the point you can get them, everyone is armed to the teeth and can oneshot the other most of the time.

I believe doubling the hull of all ships balances it out a bit more. I always play with double hull mode, so that larger ships' hull bonus has a better chance of lengthening their survival.

However penalizing smaller ships makes them so weak that a person would be best off filling with weak cannons and leaving their accuracy at a low level for scattershots, since a penalized small ship would need only to be scraped.

 

[TKF]

The damage high speed penalty system was intended to partly counter the great reductions of armors, hull and reinforced plating and slightly reduce the advantage of getting speed upgrades and buffs. I didn't change the current hp settings as I wanna see how its going with current ships hp and speeds and await feedback reponses.

About damage high speed penalty I may consider these options:

• Leaving it as it is
• Removing it
• Removing it and reduce initial starting armors of fast ships (small nerf)
• Removing it and reduce hp of fast ships
• Increase the hp of fast ships, damage penalty stands
• Rebalance the ships starting speed and hp, damage penalty stands

I'm planning to make a new damage/counter system, so I may remove this system as well. I'm planning to rework the damage types cannons does so you can actually buy cannons to counter certain ship types. For example sail ripper cannons would do 2x damage vs elven ships because it does Normal damage, which is strong vs elven armor. But I'm working on a Item Index system, so I'm still at testing stage and had very little time this month to progress to a new version.



As for the current ships hp and cannons damages, feel free to suggest wheat you think about it. I know by playing this that getting hull + hull reinforcement can make you a lot stronger and perhaps multiplying your actual hp by 2-3 times, so its hard to balance this as well against much more expensive weapons, a hull can drastically change the toughness of your ship. While hull reinforcement reduces non-spell damages, The hulls reduce spell and cannon damages. I plan to make hull only effective against some types of cannons so I will remove some of its advantages and perhaps reconsider the role of hull reinforcements as it adds armor and perhaps add speed penalties to those.



NEW VERSION

Naval Battle 1.36 Created a hashtable based cannon creation system Changed the damage types in the game and damage modifiers Cannons do now consist of 7 damage types, instead of only 2 -> Crude, Normal, Arrow, Magical, Siege, Spells and Legend Introduced a new armor type: Sturdy Readjusted damage reduction of all Hulls Added new reduction features on hull reinforcements Nerfed armor bonuses of all Reinforced Hhull items Submarine is slightly buffed and does now cost less 6400 -> 5000 gold Buffed the siege weapons damage by 10%, removing splash damage Buffed the rocket weapons damage by 5% (basic rocket 5% cheaper instead) Repair woods do now have 50% less charges; thus halving costs Reduced the large splash damage from Thunder Cannon, it do now cost less

Test the new version. I've checked most weapons, it should be correct values, but if something is doing wrong damage, report it.

I've also removed the damage increment for high speeds, in order to balance the new counters and attack types.

 

[091846]

the ripple cannon cant shoot and the 11k electron cannon dont work

 

[Velrog]

So... the map is really good, i really like it, but... why are there no more updates? Has the project been dropped?

 

[TKF]

So... the map is really good, i really like it, but... why are there no more updates? Has the project been dropped?

Kinda, but I still have the map.

I have no plans of updating it, but I may do bugfixes. I have no overview of any bugs that might exist, I need a report for that.

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1.37 Changelog Added Hookshot ability on Dreadlord Cruiser (Removed Ghost storm) Added a custom mode: No betrayal mode (Players cannot become pirate) Remade the seeker homing system Changed seeker cannons damage type from spell to magic Changed some weapons damage types settings When pinnace is using high explosives, it will no longer nullify spree count Remade repair items, repair bonus will instead adds to repair over time Repair items will show total repair over time when used Added armor type to ship descriptions Slightly buffed glaive cannons Increased the damage done by Harpoon, Sharp Knifes and Grapeshot Floating damage text should no longer be visible under fog for enemies Reduced carpentry (strength) attribute passive repair from 0.5 to 0.35 It should be easier to kick unwanted feeders now All repair wood items do now have the correct 5 charges Repair kits set from 10 charges to 5 charges Using -autofire, you can now stop firing using hold position Added some new items, in secret shops Empire ships bounty will now increase by 8% every 4 min, not 5% pr upgrade Fixed a damage bug with heavy seeker cannon dealing to low damage Fixed a bug that caused hulls you tried to pick up, to vanish Fixed a bug that made AFK shared control removed Fixed a bug with additional cannon skill not working at all Fixed a bug with crew stats upgrades Fixed a bug with -stats damage display Fixed a bug that removed critical precision upgrade when changing ship Fixed a bug when capturing ships, that made ships way to slow Minor bugfixes

I've done a lot of bugfixing, There is still some more, I haven't resolved the boarding bugs in this release, because I haven't found the source of the bug yet. I need a lot of time if I plan to redo the system, but I'll see if I got the motivation for it. Also done a lot of minor changes and some text corrections I found. Map uploaded on mmh.

 

[Times]

Been playing it some time now, IMO it's so much funnier than battleships.
Very nice it's being bugfixed!

I'll perhaps test it and report some bugs.
I think I still remember you could deny a kill in the game... not confirmed how it happens, but i've seen it 10/10.

 

[TKF]

1.37b Changelog Remade the boarding system, multiple parts can join now Each level do now increase base max hp by 2% instead if 1% Slightly increased base hp of all hero ships Merchantman is now restricted to 1 cannon pr slot Decreased the traders base hp from 650 to 550 Changed damage type of super rocket from legend to normal Buffed the repair bonus of repair woods a bit Changed the damage types and armor types of different crew Fixed a bug with shockwave cannons not working at all Fixed a bug that caused the ship to not respawn Fixed a damage bug with destroyers/Precisors ballista cannon 1.37c Changelog Minimum hero bounty is now 150 gold Removed bomb barrel at both lanes Rebalanced the hp and price settings of hero ships slightly Random kill by High Explosives no longer adds spree count to enemy Using High Explove ability is now always visible with explosion effect High Explosives will now only yield 50% of bounty to enemy Fixed a bug which caused never ending spree bonus if sinking a pinnace Fixed a severe bug which multiplied the damage done by forward cannons

Fixed some critical bugs. The shockwave cannons didn't work at all since I remade the projectile system long time ago, so they do work now since they are not projectile based but just a dummy spell.

Also some hero based abilities didn't get stronger with levels, so I fixed that too with the Frigates ballista ability.

Also remade the boarding system so its similar to the boarding of Corsairs PC game where ships can clutter together in boarding, but I couldn't test a 3 part boarding, so hopefully it works as it should. The new boarding system should be much more stable now.

I think I still remember you could deny a kill in the game... not confirmed how it happens, but i've seen it 10/10.

The Barque - Pinnace (aka Crusader in BS) could deny you a kill in older versions if you meant that. That tactic now does now yield the opponent 50% of his value now even when suiciding with explosives skill. Bounty is shown if an enemy kills you, not allies or suicide.

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Also added a 2nd bugfix

 

[Peaces]

Is there AI?

 

[TKF]

It's possible to play it alone and check out different things by yourself.

Is there AI?

There is no AI.

Making a good AI instinct would prove a challenge. I haven't bothered making one since it would be quite a challenge for this map type since cannonballs goes +90/-90 of the ships facing direction. Also I'm starting summer work and I don't have sufficient time for making it atm since I spent over a month in total for the partial AI support in Cruiser Command including testing the map 50+ times for correcting the AI which is the most difficult "system" I have ever made in WC3 since you must "program" the response for the AI to kinda act in a place for a human.

Making an AI requires a lot of work and effort so its not in my todo list atm.

 

[SteakOnSpear]

I'm so happy to see this map is still being updated.

I've been playing it with some guys from Diplomunion com and Clan BotR, but we are very few and it's hard to get a full game on MMH. Atleast games where people don't leave after getting sunk 5 times.

Is there some place to play this and meet other good NB AoS players?

 

[TKF]

I'm so happy to see this map is still being updated.

I've been playing it with some guys from Diplomunion com and Clan BotR, but we are very few and it's hard to get a full game on MMH. Atleast games where people don't leave after getting sunk 5 times.

Nice to hear that you got some of your clan with you


Unfortunately much less players plays wc3 nowadays. People aren't that patient unless they are are prepared to wait for the game to fill. However its still possible to get a good game with 3v3 or 4v4. You are most likely to get most people around 7pm to 11pm UTC +01:00 mid european time.

Due to the fact that this map is pretty much unknown, its look like battleships in the terrain and some confuses it with the Naval Combat its a map where you have to wait for people to join.

People tend to stick with older maps they have played before and prefer those and only some do try new maps from time to time

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1.37d Starting gold set to 1800 gold now in normal modes Starting gold set to 8000 gold in rush mode Max crew capacity will be increased by 2% for each level now Reduced the max base crew on the bigger ships to compensate a bit Overall nerf of all weapons by about 12,5% for balancing Extended the range of starting culverine cannon Lowered the range of starting ballista cannon Autofire trigger should no longer interrupt movement Corrected the damage value on cruiser cannon now The first empire incomes should now provide somewhat better income Empire tech level is now displayed for each income Cannon barrage abilities will now also trigger the bought cannons once as well Empire buildings no longer have a fixed bounty Fixed a income bug that made gold disappear to non-existing players Fixed a hashtable scaling bug with big ships front cannons Fixed a bug that allowed you to easily abort barrages Fixed a damage bug on Lightning Cannon's chain lightning Fixed a spree kill bug Fixed a bug with boarding timer to blink at 0 permanently Fixed minor bugs

Another fix and some balancing. Also slightly buffed lightning cannons as their damage was a bit low, nerfed rocket based weapons as they did a bit much damage compared to the long range capability

Also fixed barrage, so it no longer bugs out so you can order freely after using barrage ability now which prevents you to be a sitting duck when using barrage ability in endgames.

As the ballista cannon is a favorite due to its damage bonus vs the starting ship the sailor, i decreased its range to 850 so it should hopefully decrease its as a favorite choice.

Sailor now have 400 initial hp, which i forgot to mention in changelog.

Also some minor adjustments and fixing some bugs.

 

[TKF]

I decided to work on an update now and extending the projectile system to allow range and speed modification ingame. Rest will be revealed on version release.

These are the bugs I know of

• Projectile bug that allowes seekers to ignore cliffs
• Cruiser Cannon for troll destroyer and juggernaught not working
• A bug with lightning cannon abilities not firing chain lightning when killing
• Triggered angle bug with barrage abilities
• Vertex coloring after boarding stay dark sometimes

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1.38 Added a new Battleship class ship (14000) at main harbor Added Ranged Combat skill at captains hut Added Volley Cliff skill at captains hut Added Faster Cannon Speed skill at captains hut Initially, cannons do now have a 5% chance to pass cliffs Empire Cannon fortress cannons can now pass cliffs 50% of the times Added new item which can block freeze effect Added a new legendary item which can increase range (30%) 2 shops outside map center will be available in short mode now Naga shops will be available where the switch is in short mode Dwarven Tech crew boost range by 15% (Dwarven Merhcant) Increased the costs of permanent repair items Merchantman will not receive shared ability points from empire Traders ability point rewards will be given to the empire Traders will receive 50% of their ability from trades each income Players can also receive bonus ability points from empire now Special bonuses is received for empire assists and building kills Made a terrain trade shortcut passage for north trader on east Added a afk debugger, in case the shared control is removed Items owned by afk player should no longer be droppable Slightly increased the pull range of Meathook Buffed critical hit skill in captains hut from 4% to 5% pr level Nerfed traders barrier armor bonus Empire will now give players all the ability points for each income Moved goblin carrack to main harbor and renamed it to hunter carrack Reduced the speed disadvantage of having to large stack of cannons Reduced passive heal by carpentry skill from 0.35 to 0.25 Reduced the range of sensor item and sensor skill to submarine Suicide mission do now give empire 50% of the gold, was bugged First Barrage wave will now always shoot at pointed location Fixed a bug that allowed critical cannons to do more than 4x dmg Fixed a trader bug that allowed selfkill gold for suicide mission Fixed a projectile bug that allowed seekers to ignore cliffs Fixed Cruiser Cannon for troll destroyer and juggernaught Fixed a fatal error bug with seekers going off map edge Fixed a bug with lightning cannon abilities not firing Fixed a triggered angle bug with barrage abilities Fixed a bug that didn't reset vertex color after respawn Corrected a few tooltips

New version:
This includes the fix of electro cannon which didn't fire chain lightning, Cruiser Cannon do now work, a cheatful bug with seeker that ignored cliffs, and a bug with barrage abilities.

I added a new high end ship and also added new upgrades which allows you more freedom you pick what to spend your abilties points on. The new version includes heavy nerf on the trader regarding ability points rewards since it was insanely high. Gold rewards is atm not changed.

The new thing is the volley shot upgrade, that should allow cannons to sometimes volley over cliffs. This might change much of the gameplay. Also range increase and bullet speed increase.

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[i_mOck_death]

Hey TK Long time no see. Since im temporarily back felt like checking in on this game since its been a long time. Found a couple of bugs:

-Submarine always loses its starboard cannon
-Traders can build a captains hut and then just buy a new trader ship after getting their trade item and basically for the cost of 800 teleport back to harbor with the trade item
-boarding sometimes just seems to make units get stunned for a while and nothing happens
-Ballista cannon in man of war when using cannon fury loses half its range unless its in the 5th item slot, tested with a couple other weapons and it didnt happen but it always happened with ballista cannon//edit : it seems to just be cannon speed in general messing up the length of gun. Cause the ship upgrade also had the same effect it wa juts harder to notice as its not as drastic as a change in speed. Only slot that works correctly is the 5th slot cannons

 

[crawlers]

May a mode be added where all gold/stat point incomes are shared equally among the team, no matter which player earned them? Eg. Communist mode

 

[TKF]

May a mode be added where all gold/stat point incomes are shared equally among the team, no matter which player earned them? Eg. Communist mode

I don't think so, I have to edit everything in order to add such a mode and I don't feel its a good idea. To much edit so its not a thing I will consider right now. But feel free by coming with creative suggestions.

Hey TK Long time no see. Since im temporarily back felt like checking in on this game since its been a long time. Found a couple of bugs:

-Submarine always loses its starboard cannon
-Traders can build a captains hut and then just buy a new trader ship after getting their trade item and basically for the cost of 800 teleport back to harbor with the trade item
-boarding sometimes just seems to make units get stunned for a while and nothing happens
-Ballista cannon in man of war when using cannon fury loses half its range unless its in the 5th item slot, tested with a couple other weapons and it didnt happen but it always happened with ballista cannon//edit : it seems to just be cannon speed in general messing up the length of gun. Cause the ship upgrade also had the same effect it wa juts harder to notice as its not as drastic as a change in speed. Only slot that works correctly is the 5th slot cannons

Thanks for your feedback, now I feel forced to release a bugfix very soon when I got some sparetime. These are bugs I didn't know about, except for boarding.


Cannon fury doesn't extend range, but speed only so lifetime duration of cannonballs is reduced accordingly and still have same range, so it looks like it has shorter range but feels like short because of optical illusion which I wasn't aware of until I tested it myself. The 5th slot is a bug in fact so I will fix it. I might also add a temporary range a little when using ability to remove the feeling of short range.

The boarding thing I struggle to fix recently because its related to neutral hostile somehow, especially when neutral hostile do the boarding. I will make a few more attempts.

I will fix the submarine and trader abuse bug.

 

[cleavinghammer]

The Cannon Fortress in the southwest can't fire broédsides correctly (when it died, the cannonballs were still there waiting in midair, are selectable and can be attacked by battleship rockets).
The shore captain can't seem to build the hut, is that normal?
Battleships don't seem affected by speed upgrades.

The Sea Demon can be boarded. Now THAT'd be a battle...

 

[TKF]

The Cannon Fortress in the southwest can't fire broédsides correctly (when it died, the cannonballs were still there waiting in midair, are selectable and can be attacked by battleship rockets).
The shore captain can't seem to build the hut, is that normal?
Battleships don't seem affected by speed upgrades.

The Sea Demon can be boarded. Now THAT'd be a battle...

I couldn't reproduce that bug with cannonfort. Hut is sold at elf shop, if the captain can't build captains hut.

1.38b Added Murloc Crew at Naga Shop Changed the Carrack Hunters Homing Rocket ability Added a new secret item which boosts cannonball speed Frost Nova Cannon no longer causes damage to allies Frost Nova Cannon price slightly increased Deck Cannon ability do now splash damage Slightly increased the costs of crews Nerfed destroyers sail ripper skill slow amount Attempted to fix death when buying new ship bug Added temporary range bonus with Cannon Fury ability Spell based cannons should no longer be reduced by armor Fixed a bug that drained your ability points when repair empire ships Fixed a bug with neutral hostile boarding doing nothing Fixed a bug with submarines starboard cannon skill Fixed a bug that allowed you to change ship using a crew or hut Fixed a fatal forward cannons unlimited range bug Fixed a boarding bug which allowed you to board sea demon Fixed some minor bugs

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Okey here is a bugfix version. Everything should now be fixed now hopefully.

 

[cleavinghammer]

As in, whenever I clicked on the hut item in the captain's inventory, it didn't respond, but it worked when I gave it to the ship.

 

[TKF]

As in, whenever I clicked on the hut item in the captain's inventory, it didn't respond, but it worked when I gave it to the ship.

Oh that is what you meant? Well handy-man offshore captain cannot use items, for bug reasons. All structure items is primarily meant for boats and can be put in shallow water. The handy-man offshore captain can build them inland. Alternatively you can use crew to use building items for you on land.

 

[cleavinghammer]

You should put that in the tooltip or the menu somewhere.

Buying upgrades from the hut doesn't count as activity, still gets you the afk popup.

Pirates boarding never seems to go to the boarding map. On occasion it does, however, and seems to cause a game crash soon after.
Had an amusing bug where flipping the north's seagate switch for them caused the ships and fortress to appear, but not the gate to open. Meaning they were trying to squeeze their gold ships through several layers of base defenses and ships.

 

[TKF]

You should put that in the tooltip or the menu somewhere.

Buying upgrades from the hut doesn't count as activity, still gets you the afk popup.

Pirates boarding never seems to go to the boarding map. On occasion it does, however, and seems to cause a game crash soon after.
Had an amusing bug where flipping the north's seagate switch for them caused the ships and fortress to appear, but not the gate to open. Meaning they were trying to squeeze their gold ships through several layers of base defenses and ships.

It's shown at harbor when you point the mouse over handy-man icon that he cannot use items.


If you played the latest version its weird it doesn't work. I cannot identify the cause yet. If this happens often and leads to crashes, let me know. Finding an solution to this is difficult. If it happens instantly during boarding process I know where to focus, but if it happens "soon after" it can be anything else than boarding.

Btw does this happen to players, or is it only neutral hostile related?



I cannot reproduce the gate switch bug, however will add a fix for the ocean gates, so it will debug ingame.

I'm working on another update, but will wait a bit first for more feedback as I plan to add another ship using this model.

Current bugs I'm aware of: Fake ability point message for trader, trader don't get any [ok] Ability point empire share bug that gives it players that left the game [ok] Bug with trade supply and ocean gate [unknown, adding debugger] Bug that causes torpedo to jump over cliffs, due to new upgrade [ok] Bug with afk on upgrades [ok] Wrong info on some cannon related abilities [ok] Bug with boarding [unsolved] More?

 

[cleavinghammer]

Gate: If it helps, I got past the north gate via the Elven Shock Cruiser's blink.

Boarding: What usually happens is the ship gets boarded (which deselects your ship no matter the outcome: failure, boarded, go to boarding screen), if it works the camera goes to the boarding arena, there's just enough time to order the crew to attack, then usually one side explodes (or the game hangs and crashes). I don't know if it can happen with other players though.

 

[TKF]

Boarding: What usually happens is the ship gets boarded (which deselects your ship no matter the outcome: failure, boarded, go to boarding screen), if it works the camera goes to the boarding arena, there's just enough time to order the crew to attack, then usually one side explodes (or the game hangs and crashes). I don't know if it can happen with other players though.

Ok I found one boarding fatal error bug. It happens when neutral hostile uses lian, so if the neutral hostile captain get stuck at that, it will cause a fatal error almost always for some odd reason.

I didn't have time to finish it tonight, I release a fix as soon i get it fixed until i get a test run without crashing the game...

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Edit_

I finally found a fix to it.

1.38c Added a new corvette class ship (2000) at main harbor New Abilities: Defence Field, Structure Repair and Build Tower Changed the building system so you can speed up with repair items Changed primary attribute icon with a cannon Changed all secondary abilities hotkeys from C to V Structure Mechanic item do now benefit from your carpentry skill Corrected some cannon abilities descriptions Decreased Cannon Tower attack cooldown from 2.4 to 2.1 You will now start with 5 charges of weak repair wood Buffed Ballista Front Cannon damage from 65 to 75 pr level Moved frigates to 2nd harbor page Remade Phantom Speed ability Researching counts as activity for afk detection system Removed fake ability point message for trader Removed the trader from empire gold share equation for balancing Added a debugger for building owner change bug Fixed a boarding related fatal error bug Fixed a bug that made boarding not happen Fixed ability point bug that gave it players that left the game Fixed a bug with ocean gates Fixed a bug that caused torpedo to jump over cliffs

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New Ship

The boarding should now be working well now. Hopefully there is no more fatal errors to it.

I added a new ship which purpose is building towers and defend. Its abilities is shield defense skill. tower building and building repairs. Repairing building under construction will speed up the build rate. Trader will no longer receive gold from the empire, this is an attempt to balance it since it have a tendency to earn to much gold.

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Edit_

I'm working hard the last weeks to implement an AI, I'm not sure I get it done before the 1.27 patch. At the moment I've made several builds and a combat AI system. Due to the way the map works, the AI is much harder to make that I anticipated.

 

[TKF]

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Ok, I released another update. This is a major update since I spent weeks developing an AI in this map. It cannot match with the best players, but new players might struggle against the computer controlled heroes.

It should provide players who wants a map to play alone now, any number of computers they want. The AI has an APM of 240 equivalent human players, but filling all slots up with computers would reduce it to about 135.

1.39 Added AI for players (computer) Nerfed the direct impact damage of fire based cannons Slightly decreased the cost of electic cannon weapons Fixed a bug speed with medium speed cannons Fixed a bug with Frost armor item not resisting freeze effect

Difficulty will add one instance of bonus gold to the AI at 8 minutes.

The AI is able to pick a certain weapon kit category, but doesn't pick random within that category. So far its 6 kits. The AI is also able to buy ships, but its pretty much locked within its weapon kit category, except it might pick a random ship at start. The AI will also pick a tech from captains hut. The AI can also retreat from battle to repair itself and can use wood. AI cannot take off out of centre or open any gates AI cannot build towers AI cannot deploy crew AI can't pick up items AI cannot board atm

When a player goes afk, the AI should also control that player. His teammates can lock it down by using hold position. However I haven't tested everything to extend, so I might not be surprised if i missed anything.

Battle against AI

 

[cleavinghammer]

AI has an occasional tendency to try to fire guns on the side where it doesn't have any, but that's minor.

 

[Idaero Ace]

Wow cool!
Battleship with AI. I rrally like to play this map with my brother, but its kinda boring to play without more players. Now it has AI, yay!!

 

[cleavinghammer]

Sometimes the AI doesn't have any guns at all but still joins the battle (maybe it had combat abilities, it was a low-level Lugger).
At some point shared vision was turned off (the damage numbers and projectiles were still visible through fog of war). And then it was restored, either dying or opening the demon gate did that.
A pirate Battleship tried to use Barrage near a cliff, it was sunk soon after but the cannonballs were still there.
Once the demons are released, the music plays over instead of replacing the standard music.
When the demons are released, you should have the spawned ships attack them as well, usually the demon ends up just in front of the north's main harbor, completely ignored by the spawns unless you lure him towards one of the side harbors.
Had a bug where sending the ship (merchantman) in the dock didn't start repairs. Typing -out didn't work immediately, but it got the ship out.


Imperial Battleship's tooltip reads Heavy Cruiser.
The bomb barrels can't be attacked by mercenary ships (it says "can't attack crew"), though the battleship's rocket attack targeted it automatically.

 

[TKF]

Sometimes the AI doesn't have any guns at all but still joins the battle (maybe it had combat abilities, it was a low-level Lugger).
At some point shared vision was turned off (the damage numbers and projectiles were still visible through fog of war). And then it was restored, either dying or opening the demon gate did that.
A pirate Battleship tried to use Barrage near a cliff, it was sunk soon after but the cannonballs were still there.
Once the demons are released, the music plays over instead of replacing the standard music.
When the demons are released, you should have the spawned ships attack them as well, usually the demon ends up just in front of the north's main harbor, completely ignored by the spawns unless you lure him towards one of the side harbors.
Had a bug where sending the ship (merchantman) in the dock didn't start repairs. Typing -out didn't work immediately, but it got the ship out.


Imperial Battleship's tooltip reads Heavy Cruiser.
The bomb barrels can't be attacked by mercenary ships (it says "can't attack crew"), though the battleship's rocket attack targeted it automatically.

When you enter forbidden waters, you lose sight of your allies. The normal attack of units I can't do anything with since its kinda hardcoded.

The Imperial Battleship cannot attack bomb barrels or crew, but its second attack can.

I couldn't reproduce the pirate barrage cannon bug. I'd like to see a screenshot of it.

Rest is simple fixes. I haven't tested the music turn off but it should work now.

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New version!

1.39b AI will now control afk players as intended (bugfix) Fixed a bug that caused the AI to randomly fire to often Fire resistance item will now also reduce fire damages Fixed an AI waypoint bug Smaller bug fixes

I have fixed some AI stuff and the afk thing didn't work when you were playing against human players only. Now it should work. When you don't want to let AI control one of your afk players ships "Hold Position" order should pause the AI temporary.

The AI can still miss, but that is because it turns right after firing or by some instances there's still minor bugs with AI system.


I might add a few more AI function later, but I got tired of developing AI for now, its been 3 boring and tiresome weeks.

 

[Cokemonkey11]

I've tested this in a 5v5 with all AI ships.

First of all the new AI is very good, they manage to actually compete with you (at least in some cases).

Here's a list of issues I found:

* There are hundreds of spammy AI debug commands that pop up, even though I selected normal play modes. These should be removed unless enabled.
* Right at the beginning of the match, the AI ships move directly into battle. Humans can't really reasonably compete with this. Maybe make a 15-30 second timer before netural ships start spawning?
* When the "on fire" status effect is applied to you, the visual effect is very minor. This is particularly influential in the early stages of the game. I suggest adding a custom fire effect, maybe using dummy units, to help distinguish this effect during the game.
* One of my AI team mates stopped playing at some point and just sat in base. It had items and was level 5.
* I still think the "Old Captain (Trainer)" design is unintuitive. Maybe something better would be that you could go to him to select your stat upgrade preferences, and the upgrades would happen automatically. What do you think?
* AI players simply ignore gold coins and other pirate items on the ground.
* When you have been boarded by pirates, your captain has an ability called like "Leave Combat". The icon for this is very misleading (looks like a combat ability). I clicked it without reading it.
* "The British Empire is on a PWNING RUN!" doesn't even make sense...
* "Boarding Chaos" effect from fighting pirates is a super unintuitive effect with poor visual indication.
* After about 60 minutes of gameplay, wc3 crashed. This happened when I was using the goblin super ship's cluster rockets ability on a few targets. I suggest not using cluster rockets which is known to cause bugs.

 

[TKF]

I've tested this in a 5v5 with all AI ships.

First of all the new AI is very good, they manage to actually compete with you (at least in some cases).

Here's a list of issues I found:

* There are hundreds of spammy AI debug commands that pop up, even though I selected normal play modes. These should be removed unless enabled.

The AI does get some handicap, AI specific gold bonus at min 8 depending on difficulty. Its difficult to make them play well in very close combat though.

About debug messages I guessed you played as WorldEdit? You get the debugmessages all the time, you must type "-admincheck" to remove or to get debugmessages. (This is a secret command to get debugmessages)

* Right at the beginning of the match, the AI ships move directly into battle. Humans can't really reasonably compete with this. Maybe make a 15-30 second timer before netural ships start spawning?

Well this is intentional to keep them at somewhat high level, so they already do nothing the first 10 sec or so. Its timed to get them at the first ships wave encounter.

* When the "on fire" status effect is applied to you, the visual effect is very minor. This is particularly influential in the early stages of the game. I suggest adding a custom fire effect, maybe using dummy units, to help distinguish this effect during the game.

I'm not sure when you mean here. You mean the fire from fire weapons? You can see the damage taken. The the buff is using building damage under buffs. I notice when I'm on fire or not.

* One of my AI team mates stopped playing at some point and just sat in base. It had items and was level 5.

I've added a few instances the AI shouldn't pause the entire game, did it do nothing the entire game? This is bad and I have check this.

* I still think the "Old Captain (Trainer)" design is unintuitive. Maybe something better would be that you could go to him to select your stat upgrade preferences, and the upgrades would happen automatically. What do you think?

Curently stats preferences when you level is set at captains hut and random by default, but I might change that so its more easily accessible. Adding that to the trainer is a good idea.

Currently trainer is the same as from beta and unchanged. I don't feel its unintuitive but its sometimes annoying to go back to base or wait until respawn to pick your stats. Another thing is that you can also spend your ability points on special abilities at the captains hut. The ability point notice ingame make new players aware of the trainer, but most overlook the captains hut if they are unfamiliar with the game.

I have considered to remove patrol button and add a stat preference button/spell book with several prefs instead and pick your preferences there, but that would also affect normal ships too.

* AI players simply ignore gold coins and other pirate items on the ground.

Its not implemented yet, making the AI pick up weapons would mess up with the kit system, but I may perhaps make them able to get coins and repair lumber and such. AI system is quite heavy already (on my old computer it is), but I may add a few more stuff for it the the future.

* When you have been boarded by pirates, your captain has an ability called like "Leave Combat". The icon for this is very misleading (looks like a combat ability). I clicked it without reading it.

That can be fixed

* "The British Empire is on a PWNING RUN!" doesn't even make sense...

Well the empire pwn the AI.

Yeah I see your point. The empires kills heroes also get sprees. I will look on that. I guess that would happen quite often as the AI tend to get killed by the empire to often...

* "Boarding Chaos" effect from fighting pirates is a super unintuitive effect with poor visual indication.

Maybe

* After about 60 minutes of gameplay, wc3 crashed. This happened when I was using the goblin super ship's cluster rockets ability on a few targets. I suggest not using cluster rockets which is known to cause bugs.

That is not good, did that happen immediately when they died or after using it sometimes? I never experienced error with using those projectiles with the basic rocket cannon.

Also I don't understand how a model can cause fatal error bugs. Perhaps I need to import a new one


Thanks for your feedback, I will add some to "todo list".

 

[Cokemonkey11]

> About debug messages I guessed you played as WorldEdit?

Yes, I suggest removing this since a high concentration of first-time players on THW will be named WorldEdit.

> Well this is intentional to keep them at somewhat high level, so they already do nothing the first 10 sec or so. Its timed to get them at the first ships wave encounter.

I suggest removing it and instead focusing on keeping the experience for human players feeling "fair". That's why I suggested instead changing the first ship wave to be a bit more delayed.

> I notice when I'm on fire or not.

It's not really interesting if you're personally aware of the buff. Basically it's better game design if the visual indication is made clear.

> did it do nothing the entire game?

Do they start at level 5 with an item? Then yes it did nothing the whole time. I didn't notice otherwise. Unfortunately I don't have a replay since the game crashed.

> Curently stats preferences when you level is set at captains hut and random by default, but I might change that so its more easily accessible. Adding that to the trainer is a good idea.

> Currently trainer is the same as from beta and unchanged. I don't feel its unintuitive but its sometimes annoying to go back to base or wait until respawn to pick your stats. Another thing is that you can also spend your ability points on special abilities at the captains hut. The ability point notice ingame make new players aware of the trainer, but most overlook the captains hut if they are unfamiliar with the game.

> I have considered to remove patrol button and add a stat preference button/spell book with several prefs instead and pick your preferences there, but that would also affect normal ships too.

I didn't even know there was a captain's hut. Maybe you can find a way to make them the same unit, and perhaps default the stat bonus automatic-ness to be "on"?

> That is not good, did that happen immediately when they died or after using it sometimes? I never experienced error with using those projectiles with the basic rocket cannon.

I was raping a few of them at once. It's possible that one of them was dying, but hard to say. Basically a huge number of triggers were definitely firing around the same time.

> Also I don't understand how a model can cause fatal error bugs. Perhaps I need to import a new one

I think the ability causes problems, not the model.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Two bugs with the repair dock: an AI ship went in the dock but nothing happened. I sent my ship in, both were repaired and the AI went back to the fight. Another time, the AI went inside and the repairs started but the crews disappeared, with the ship regaining HP normally.

 

[TKF]

I haven't found of fatal error yet. The repair dock bug I might lookup later. The AI will be fixed via debug if the dock hangs up. The AI shouldn't hangup permanently in the dock.

I haven't found a good solution for checking items on the ground for the AI yet as there is limited ways of checking them.

1.39c Added a spellbook button for spending ability points Removed the Patrol Command button for heroes Removed automatic debug messages for WorldEdit Delayed the first starting wave by 8 seconds Some small adjustments "-afkai" command let you ai control you without dialog popup Fixed a bug with shield spell not working Fixed a bug with afk AI not working properly Fixed some minor bugs

I've removed the patrol button from the game, the empire ships still have patrol (A dummy version of it). I added 5 skills into the ability selection button available for everyone. You can buff your attribute from there (I still kept the trainer for now). I'm not sure if it complicates or simplifies the game, but its a start.

"Some small adjustments" is actually a lot of changes based on your feedback, but not everything. However I haven't done anything more to the AI atm.


I might work further on fixing stuff...

 

[RoltoN]

Hello. I like this map a lot, so when i found out that new version has AI in it, I started playing immediately. First game I played alone 5x5 with bots. After an hour of playing I had more than 100 kills. Then, when I killed one of bots again, I had fatal error. At first I thought that it's because of big number of bots(I also had some lags during game), so I started next game 1x5. After playing for near same time as previous game, this one also crashed on kill. I was using only Hellfire and Frost nova cannons, so I think problem is not in weapons but maybe in killing too much or playing for too long. I really hope you'll fix it because it's great map and killing bots is so fun)
Also, I remembered several times when one of bots without any reasons had over 50k hp on it's ship, so i could only kill his crew. What is it?