Naga V1.3

[Rence Kristoff]

Some Icons are Broken,add more Screenshots and Change the Description,but the map is good

 

[That_Guy_There]

Well the Race is pretty god-damned OP. I suggest balance it out, Overall Great map! 3/5

 

[Kyrbi0]

I love how pretty much everyone has their own version of the Naga; heck, I do. It's kinda neat how Blizzard's little half-race has inspired nearly all of us at one point or another.

I think yours is one of the closest I've seen to how I will make mine, so kudos there. : )

 

[JZG]

Well the Race is pretty god-damned OP. I suggest balance it out, Overall Great map! 3/5

I kinda knew they were but without anyone else for me test it out against, I wasn't sure which ones to change. It would be so helpful if you could suggest which ones I should take some power off.

In my head, I think I should reduce the stun duration of Frost Bolt and the damage from Crushing Waves. Both are abilities the Royal Guard uses, and just reduce his attack damage overall.

Also, I'm thinking of changing the sea elemental of the Summoner into something less oppressive.

I might also remove the Blessing of the Rift upgrade, it seems overprotection (I couldn't help it, I'm so sorry ) to me.

 

[Kyrbi0]

I kinda knew they were but without anyone else for me test it out against, I wasn't sure which ones to change. It would be so helpful if you could suggest which ones I should take some power off.

In my head, I think I should reduce the stun duration of Frost Bolt and the damage from Crushing Waves. Both are abilities the Royal Guard uses, and just reduce his attack damage overall.

Also, I'm thinking of changing the sea elemental of the Summoner into something less oppressive.

I might also remove the Blessing of the Rift upgrade, it seems overprotection (I couldn't help it, I'm so sorry ) to me.

If you're talking about/worried about balance & relative OPness, lemme just point out one thing: no standard melee Unit has an active 'Direct Damage' ability (discounting Dispels vs. Summons). Also, none of them Summon anything (except for the Necromancer, who kinda has to, and they are very weak Skeletons // and the Troll Witch Doctor, but those are Wards (not quite summons exactly) and don't move or do anything player-controlled). I have studied Blizzard's design of Wc3 for many years now and I am of the opinion that where holes like that exist, there's a reason for it. (sometimes it's simple to suss out; Units, unlike Heroes, can be massed, so Units with active Direct Damage abilities would be OP).

So my suggestion would be to remove Frost Bolt, Crushing Wave & the Summoner's Sea Elemental entirely (replacing them as necessary; Summoner might need another spell, but the Royal Guard might be able to get by as simply the "big powerful T3 brute"). That will go a long way towards ensuring balance.

 

[JZG]

@Kyrbi0 Thx for the advice. Will do that now.

 

[Darkfang]

If you're talking about/worried about balance & relative OPness, lemme just point out one thing: no standard melee Unit has an active 'Direct Damage' ability (discounting Dispels vs. Summons). Also, none of them Summon anything (except for the Necromancer, who kinda has to, and they are very weak Skeletons // and the Troll Witch Doctor, but those are Wards (not quite summons exactly) and don't move or do anything player-controlled). I have studied Blizzard's design of Wc3 for many years now and I am of the opinion that where holes like that exist, there's a reason for it. (sometimes it's simple to suss out; Units, unlike Heroes, can be massed, so Units with active Direct Damage abilities would be OP).

So my suggestion would be to remove Frost Bolt, Crushing Wave & the Summoner's Sea Elemental entirely (replacing them as necessary; Summoner might need another spell, but the Royal Guard might be able to get by as simply the "big powerful T3 brute"). That will go a long way towards ensuring balance.

Depends, by example you can limit the damage of a Direct Damage Ability like Carrion Swarm to deal certain set damage, in the other hand for single target spells I do a simple trick; set it to have to levels, when used against heroes or targets of level 6 or more (ordered event) I set the ability to level 2 and re-order the cast, therefore I can adjust the damage/stun/slow/etc against these targets more easily. If the target is a regular jut set to level 1 and it would act normally, of course I control it with conditions so that the power doesn't switch levels if the target is the correct and matches the current level of the ability.
I did this with my unit Chaosbinder (Orc Offensive Caster unit), Mana Burn is it's first spell, and it burns 100 mana in regular units and only 50 mana upon other units. Of course they will be annoying for enemy heroes in any battle, but that is the idea, it is an RTS, and if you know that the enemy has 10 of these to burn your 500 mp pool to the ground then send forth your units and wait until you can send your hero, you can also control it by adding counter items, like a charged item that only silences non-hero units, etc. I've balanced many stuff by just adding a Dispel item on each racial shop.

Finally you could also use a Damage Detection System.

PD: I've also limited the effectivity of these spells by removing armor and instead causing the armor upgrades to increase the unit health by 20%, since armor doesn't reduce the damage received by spells.

Another suggestion is that if you have a Summoned unit make it take extra damage from magic or dispels, so that it can be erased easily, also if it is a "Summon Sea Elemental", change it to Feral Spirit as the base asility, since it will prevent them from summoning more than one.

 

[Alok]

The game lag spikes when played with 7 AI players, check triggers for leaks, or AI, if it is custom.
Also, I suggest that Naga units don't have so many similar abilities, like having several abilities that add AoE to their attack, or having two of those splash teleport abilities, one on the hero, and the other on the unit. It is important to have diversity in the abilities of a race.

 

[Kino]

Naga Race.
The trait that stood out to me the most was the existence of the mobile harvester, very RA2-esque.
I dont often judge custom races by balance, however there were few things that were off.
- Traitor's Amulet; pretty much a Dark Ranger Ult for less mana and on a 125 gold item.
- Summoners mana transfer becomes stupidly strong since ethereal form huge mana regen.

Design wise, the biggest gripe I have is with the heroes.
Their skillsets are...not very melee game suited.
Generally, plenty of short cooldown spells with short buff durations. Some mana/movespeed scaling nukes, also rather strange for said gametype.
Not a bad design for a more hero oriented game type, for standard matches; rather odd.

Errors
- Sunken Constructs do not have the "Hex Implosion" ability despite what the upgrades/tooltips claim.
- Snap Dragons have an active ability that uses mana, they do not have any mana
- Royal Guard's build tooltip references its default abilities.

(Awaiting Update)

~ Reviewed, Kino

 

[Paillan]

5 - 4 - 2017 Moderation

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