Guys, should we try a petition or something to exclude the tenth level dragons out of the roots for melee maps (for official ladder) so the roots would actually be used (like a merc camp)?
What of fountains, what could we do to make them viable?
Even by doing that, early air units may unbalance if the creep can be taken down by AOW or Tower rush.
If the creep is defended by an orange creep like a mercenary camp, even with a red creep, you can still buy the level 6 dragon, buy it and run.
Sleeping creeps will also umbalance, so you can buy at night, or even the blademaster with wind walk, of course wind walk can be used with markets and goblin labs but the effect is less problematic, an air unit in early may be a problem.
Undeads can´t take air units until Tier 2 of the main hall (the nerubians with web), so air creeps should be a red. I learned that from Orange the guy who review all the maps of the Hive in the last melee contest on youtube, he made very good points about air creeps.
The matter should be discussed more carefully. I don´t think that the solution is that simple as removing the level 10 dragon. But is true that it will be a good start.
The fountains: Probably a solution will be like a slow regeneration like an item, so you have to waste time but I am not shure if thats the solution.
We also have to make a petition to balance all the mercenary camps acording mafe mercenary camps review, but well thats another story.
The main topic now is the melee contest.
An inner contest will be cool. I already have the willing to start, Like the terraining contest or the music contest of the Hive. A back to warcraft contest can be done in October- November or when the feel to.
"Icon makers have their contests, model makers have their contest, same goes for music composers, spell creators, custom race makers, etc. Why shouldn't we, the melee map community on Hive have the same opportunity to host our own competition."
100% Agree.
Also an inner contest will be more relaxed, last time like 5 maps couldn´t be considered because the waiting list for drop-outs. Also a competition between experienced users will be cool, many users in the last melee contest did their attemps with not knowing some basics and it was sad to see buildings bad defended by creeps, bad item tables, chokepoints, bad placement of wood. and many maps with low quality for melee play. Probably many just did an attempt for the price more than learn melee stuff and properly plasm it on a map.
There was clearly two different levels in the last contest regarding melee knoledge.
So a competition between experienced users, with no reward, will be great.
@Mr.Henci please keep us informed by this thread, (
if you talked with the back to warcraft guys or if its gonna be inner contest dates, judges, voting, wips whatever.
see ya to all of you guys
edit: I missed some posts.
@Arrr idea is interesting.