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Icon Contest #18 - Make him a Hero

Discussion in 'The Arena' started by Heinvers, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Heinvers

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    Contestants are to choose an ingame unit and give him hero abilities. There can be a huge space for creative solutions around upgrading some casual unit into a hero with 4 abilities.
    The more unique and intriguing the abilities are the better it is. Be wild with your imagination!



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    • No submission may violate any of the site rules.
    • Your work must be mostly freehand. CnPs, trace-overs or heavy referencing existing artwork are not permitted. Use of textures and filter work is permited.
    • You must show at least 2 unfinished previews (WIP) for each of your submissions, before the deadline, as proof that they're yours.
      • Drawing on canvas size smaller than 256x256 pixels: the .psd file may be required as the verification of authorship.
    • The icons must be made specifically for the contest. No previous works are allowed.
    • Submissions must follow the contest theme.
    • The icons must be physically attached to a post when complete and uploaded to the icon section. Icons mustn't be updated once uploaded, until the contest poll is over.
    • Judges may not participate in the contest.
    • No irrelevant, non-constructive or off-topic posts will be tolerated in this thread.
    • Teamwork is not allowed.
    Breaking any of these rules may lead to punishment in the judgement score, up to disqualification from the contest, depending on the weight of the issue. In case of doubts towards a certain rule you are very encouraged to discuss it in the contest thread so others and judges may help with sorting it out.

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    • 1st place: 50 reputation points
    • 2nd place: 35 reputation points
    • 3rd place: 20 reputation points
    • Entry: 4 reputation points
    • Judge: 5 reputation points
    The three winning teams will receive an award icon, representing the winning entry.​

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    Consistency of the icons in the pack Do the icons compliment each other well? /10
    Blizzard style Is the style similar to standard icons? /10
    Concept How qualitative is the concept, how unexpected and creative is the idea? Originality and uniqueness of icons are judged. How fitting are icons for chosen unit? /25
    Technical note Quality of color, composition, expressiveness, shape, definition, sharpness, clarity, shading, realism, proportions, rendering, details, materials. /55
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    • Judgement: 75%
    • Poll: 25%
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    The contest shall begin on 15th August 2019 and conclude on 25th September 2019 GMT (day is included).


     
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  2. Maxwell

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    Keep my eye on this one.
     
  3. Kyrbi0

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    Heck yeah it's on!

    If anyone needs ideas (whether a full skill-set or just a few abilities), post it here; I'm sure someone will be able to brainstorm with ya. ; )

    @Heinvers Rules Questions:
    - For the sake of consistency/fairness, everyone should be expected to do the same amount of work... And if we're going for Wc3 Heroes, we probably oughta set that bar at the Wc3 standard (i.e. Three 'regular' ability Icons, One 'ultimate' ability Icon). Thoughts?
    - One thing I didn't quite understand, the "do not update after uploading until after the Poll"... I understand that once the Poll has begun (after the Contest is over, natch), no one should be updating their model (at least, not for Contest consideration). However, are you saying that once a Contestant uploads it once, they're stuck with that upload & cannot update it before the Contest ends/Poll starts?? That seems like a tricky policy (you'll incentivize people not uploading till the absolute last second, which can be really problematic).

    That's all I have time for, unfortunately.
     
  4. Heinvers

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    Yes, exactly what the rule states. Once you post and upload your final entry you should not update it until the contest has ended. We've had some issues in the past due to people updating their entries before the contest has ended. Which, for good reason has affected what the judges were able to review.

    Say, would you consider it fair if some people updated their icons during the time you're jugding their entries? I say not really. It makes your work harder.

    I find it weird that this rule is questioned now given that we've had this one for a while now and no people complained about it until now.
    Not that I'm aware of, at least...

    Thanks for raising the concerns @Kyrbi0 :]
     
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    Wait, what?

    Just to be clear, are you expecting the Judges to be doing any Judging before the Contest is officially over?
     
  6. Heinvers

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    During the time that the public poll is running, judges can review the entries AFAIK.
     
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    Of course, of course. But that's not quite what I was getting at...

    The question now becomes: the Public Poll (& the concurrent Judging) do not take place until the Contest is officially over, right? As in, the deadline has been reached & no more work by Contestants on their Entries will be allowed?
     
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    BINGO!
     
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    Alrighty...

    SO if there's no Polling or Judging going on until the Contest is over (i.e. deadline), why can't a Contestant update their uploaded Entry "until the contest poll is over."??

    e.g. I, Kyrbi0, join this Contest, post two WIPs & then make a post & an upload with my finished Icon Contest entry today, August 16th. Currently as written, the Rules stop me from making any kind of changes to my posted/uploaded Entry (e.g. I changed my hero, I changed what spells I designed icons for, I messed up a layer on one of icons, etc etc etc), even though it's almost an entire month until the end of the Contest (pre-Poll & pre-Judging). To put it bluntly, that seems ridiculous.

    Do you see what I've been getting at now?
     
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    When you post icon in icon section you could get concrete suggestions on how to improve it, in other words teamwork in front of everyone's nose if you apply changes to icon accordingly to instructions. And that doesn't seem like fair play towards other contestants who work solo. So, not updating what you thought was completed entry until contest is over seems like most efficient way to, at least in theory, keep unfair advantage (in form of publicly posted feedback on your icon thread) away from contest.

    Either way, I suggest we get back to the contest and keep debates for different threads.
     
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    How is that criticism different from what people get in the contest thread itself? I concur with Kyrib0 regarding that rule, but I think the more important issue is the one regarding consistency (e.g 4 icons from everyone).
     
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    Contest thread is monitored by host. He manages with replies which can be regarded as teamwork.

    I agree that 4 icons should be criteria.
     
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    Are you saying that giving contestants feedback during a contest is considered "teamwork" and therefore not allowed? That's bonkers to me.
     
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    If you are giving concrete instructions what changes to make on image then it is.
     
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    Yeah, I just don't understand why it would matter, you know? At the end of the day we're all here to make art assets for a community of modders. The end result being better should be more important than personal ego over who bested who in a contest. But besides all that, you can't possibly police teamwork; for instance I share my WIPs with my friends in private, many of whom are artists and give me concrete tips on how to improve my work. I see no point in trying to limit what kind of feedback a contestant can receive during a contest.
     
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    You are now basically suggesting that you are against ''no teamwork'' rule. Contest rules are practically unchanged for years, I doubt anyone interested in taking part will be so annoyed by them not to enter contest. So I don't think there is any real problem in here, but rather it seems people feel like debating just for sake of it.

    Well, I subscribed for this thread because of icons, not to debate contest rules. I guess if someone wants to change rules of future contests they should take their opinions to more appropriate thread.
     
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    I've been following contests since I registered on this site and I've crawled through older contest threads as well. This whole notion that feedback and teamwork are the same thing is a recent movement. Go back and look at old contests - onlookers and contestants are freely criticising entries and no one bats an eye. It's also untrue that "contest rules are unchanged for years" - although there was no major overhaul of the rules, there have certainly been contests in recent years (2-4 years) that changed things around a little. "Optionally paired" contests are an entirely new beast, for example. I am not suggesting that I am "against the no teamwork rule", I would certainly oppose anyone actively helping a contestant to create their entry, for example in this icon contest by drawing over their icon and correcting it in Photoshop. Verbal feedback, such as "I think the colours could be a tad more saturated" or "the hilt of the sword blends in too much with the blade" is not teamwork. Feedback can be sensible and it can be complete nonsense, and at the end of the day it's up to the entrant to decide if they wish to listen to the feedback or not. I'm not arguing that we should change the rules, I'm arguing that your understanding of the rules is lacking and limiting, and that it can lead to pointlessly punishing people. And no, I'm not pointlessly debating, I sincerely believe that this is a serious issue that requires a resolution.
    I very much hope that Heinvers and any other relevant moderators see the sense in what I'm saying.
     
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    We will address said questions in another thread. Please get back to the contest people.
     
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    I mean it is not like people could use media like Discord, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Twitch WhatsApp etc.
    to get feedback on their work or anything...
     
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