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looks awesome, cant wait for the release !
im really curious about the rocks
im really curious about the rocks
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WICKED! :3
Are those animated btw? I mean can units chop down those?
Are those animated btw? I mean can units chop down those?
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Those are gorgeous. I especially love the color palette, it invokes a feeling of size and density with it's overall darker style.
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Pretty, I'm loving the diversity on this.
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Nope, that would be way too much work. Later I may make one tree per type that will have a chopped down animation.
The environmental stuff isn't in the OP yet, it will have its own pack.oooo, I like this one
but are those plants and trees already in
the Attached packs in the very first post?
The rocks, I haven't exported yet but they look like:
Every type except for cove has a snow texture. Base textures are either 50~ kb or 20~ kb (compressed palette version) meaning about 100~150kb per rock type. (textures and all models)
Every rock type has separate rocks, boulders (the ones in the pic) and then type specific formations.
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Does every rock have that square-ish base? I hope not.
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It looks quite good. When will you release them?
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About 2 weeks I think. Not all rocks have the "square" base but most of them do.
A final thing I was trying to do is custom terrain/cliff doodads. It sorta works but it is pointless because I realized it cannot be animated.
I hoped I could create animated snow tile that works like snowy models but the game/editor crashes when you select the model if it has animation.
Still.. it is marginally more useful because you can create higher resolution tile with them and they are marginally more efficient because they have texture filtering unlike the actual terrain tile.
TLDR it is a doodad that is shaped with terrain tools (like cracked ground doodads).
Not sure what it would be useful for though given it refuses to be animated and oh yeah, it bypasses the tileset number limit I think but its edges don't blend with the regular tileset and it has minor glitches.
A final thing I was trying to do is custom terrain/cliff doodads. It sorta works but it is pointless because I realized it cannot be animated.
I hoped I could create animated snow tile that works like snowy models but the game/editor crashes when you select the model if it has animation.
Still.. it is marginally more useful because you can create higher resolution tile with them and they are marginally more efficient because they have texture filtering unlike the actual terrain tile.
TLDR it is a doodad that is shaped with terrain tools (like cracked ground doodads).
Not sure what it would be useful for though
given it refuses to be animated and oh yeah, it bypasses the tileset number limit I think but its edges don't blend with the regular tileset and it has minor glitches.
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I approve of the base, I think it adds a "skirt" effect which will make blending doodads much easier and add more interesting geometry to landscapes. As long as we get the singular rocks as well so we can flip and fiddle with those
Keep up the awesome work!
Keep up the awesome work!
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Still, it's a lot better than tilesAbout 2 weeks I think. Not all rocks have the "square" base but most of them do.
A final thing I was trying to do is custom terrain/cliff doodads. It sorta works but it is pointless because I realized it cannot be animated.
I hoped I could create animated snow tile that works like snowy models but the game/editor crashes when you select the model if it has animation.
Still.. it is marginally more useful because you can create higher resolution tile with them and they are marginally more efficient because they have texture filtering unlike the actual terrain tile.
TLDR it is a doodad that is shaped with terrain tools (like cracked ground doodads).
Not sure what it would be useful for though
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Can you give us a different angle? I just want to confirm is those parts that looks blurry are actually blurry or if its just because of the angle.
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Those parts are blurry because they are in an angle, this is because of texture filtering.
Regular tileset doesn't have texture filtering.
Overall, it is not ideal to make regular tiles with (because they don't blend with the terrain like the terrain does) but I suppose you could do things like floors/roads/ground tiles with it pretty good.
Regular tileset doesn't have texture filtering.
Overall, it is not ideal to make regular tiles with (because they don't blend with the terrain like the terrain does) but I suppose you could do things like floors/roads/ground tiles with it pretty good.
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I see. But you can do something about that right? Its really hurting my eyes atm.
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Just took a look on the previous page, nice enviro pack. I personally love the pine tree. I just hope that there is a version without those rocks below.
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Just took a look on the previous page, nice enviro pack. I personally love the pine tree. I just hope that there is a version without those rocks below.
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I don't think I can. That's how it works, that is how it should work. It is anomalous enough they disabled it for the terrain tile.
It's what mip mapping is for.
It is strange it hurts your eyes given that the purpose of Mipmap it is to not make your eyes hurt because of the massive noise/flickering it would result in otherwise. (like it does now when you look at distant tiles)
Though in a regular camera angle it will look normal.
And I take it you mean the palm with the rocks under it ? Yeah those are two separate models actually, both from the island/cove set.
As for thee square bases of the rocks, there is a number of reasons for them. (from the workflow/technical perspective)
But they make no difference in practice because you will just sink them into the ground duh
Besides it is below the terrain tile by default, as seen here. (the grey square is the terrain level)
The reason why they all are seated on a square base is so they can tile into larger elements like archs and cliffs. (the arch, and the bigger mossy boulders are tiling)
It also stems from the workflow behind them, they are first a flat square then sculpted into boulders according to the texture parameters, instead of being modeled first and then wrapped with some ugly ass wrap.
There are also small rocks that have no base though.
And one more thing that is different with this tile, is that it is still a doodad. Eg it can have grass/rocks whatever as part of the actual tile and can have much higher density than the regular terrain, but it is still considered a terrain and can be shaped with terrain tools and such.
As such:
And here is an example of proposed usage. For floors/roads dungeon tiles etc.
Thrown in some dividers to hide the seams and you have some unique alternative to your regular tileset.
And if you want to, you can still use the model as a regular doodad by simply assigning it to a non cliff type doodad as well.
The only issue with this type of tile is that it does not behave well with calculated shadows, and that it is unbuildable.
It's what mip mapping is for.
It is strange it hurts your eyes
given that the purpose of Mipmap it is to not make your eyes hurt because of the massive noise/flickering it would result in otherwise. (like it does now when you look at distant tiles)Though in a regular camera angle it will look normal.
And I take it you mean the palm with the rocks under it ? Yeah those are two separate models actually, both from the island/cove set.
As for thee square bases of the rocks, there is a number of reasons for them. (from the workflow/technical perspective)
But they make no difference in practice because you will just sink them into the ground duh
Besides it is below the terrain tile by default, as seen here. (the grey square is the terrain level)
The reason why they all are seated on a square base is so they can tile into larger elements like archs and cliffs. (the arch, and the bigger mossy boulders are tiling)
It also stems from the workflow behind them, they are first a flat square then sculpted into boulders according to the texture parameters, instead of being modeled first and then wrapped with some ugly ass wrap.
There are also small rocks that have no base though.
And one more thing that is different with this tile, is that it is still a doodad. Eg it can have grass/rocks whatever as part of the actual tile and can have much higher density than the regular terrain, but it is still considered a terrain and can be shaped with terrain tools and such.
As such:
And here is an example of proposed usage. For floors/roads dungeon tiles etc.
Thrown in some dividers to hide the seams and you have some unique alternative to your regular tileset.
And if you want to, you can still use the model as a regular doodad by simply assigning it to a non cliff type doodad as well.
The only issue with this type of tile is that it does not behave well with calculated shadows, and that it is unbuildable.
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Oh my ghad, the day of 16 tileset limit is finally over!
Great job. I can't wait to get my hands on those.
Too bad, but the pros of this is simply too much.
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Right
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My peasant might stumble on those rocks
By the way , its great , i agree to SoJ , its finally over , those rocks are beautiful! How about platforms (i mean sidewalks).
Something like this , but i expect more better on your version
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That one rock thing is just an example
Yeah those sidewalks are probably gonna be necessary to cover seams, as you can see on the wood screenshot, what happens is it makes a seam around the tile with the replaceable ID (cliff tileset) texture, which may need some covering up if your cliff tile is unsuitable.
I was thinking of dividers like those seen here, to separate a turf doodad (let's call it that, for lack of a better word) from a turf doodad.
Just like in the pic below.
Tested it just in case, I'm assuming there is no limit seems you can make as many of these things as you want.
Yeah those sidewalks are probably gonna be necessary to cover seams, as you can see on the wood screenshot, what happens is it makes a seam around the tile with the replaceable ID (cliff tileset) texture, which may need some covering up if your cliff tile is unsuitable.
I was thinking of dividers like those seen here, to separate a turf doodad (let's call it that, for lack of a better word) from a turf doodad.
Just like in the pic below.
Tested it just in case, I'm assuming there is no limit seems you can make as many of these things as you want.
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This is great and all but don't you have problems with performance? I remember trying this out myself one time. Good thing - it can be shapes with the terrain and all that stuff
Bad thing - Doesn't shade right with lighting, drains performance
Maybe I'm wrong but maybe you are doing something different wich I want to ask you don't you get dark spots with black light or anything unusual? Another thing that suck is that it doesn't work with alpha transparencies. This might of been wonderful with more texture layers.
Bad thing - Doesn't shade right with lighting, drains performance
Maybe I'm wrong but maybe you are doing something different wich I want to ask you don't you get dark spots with black light or anything unusual? Another thing that suck is that it doesn't work with alpha transparencies. This might of been wonderful with more texture layers.
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No performance issues that I noticed, shadow issues are only when you use a custom mesh tile and only at the backside of large terrain elevations (where it makes the shadows), when it just lays flat or is slightly curved it is fine.
You can use the legit mesh form (2x2 polygon without extra geometry) and it will shade correctly.
It can also use alpha blend transparency, you just have to make two layer material with a transparent material on top and sort the far Z so that the blend material is the only thing rendered.
This will allow you to see the skybox, but won't let you see anything underneath the tile unfortunately.
The only thing that has no workaround I think is that calculated shadows are messed up.
You can use the legit mesh form (2x2 polygon without extra geometry) and it will shade correctly.
It can also use alpha blend transparency, you just have to make two layer material with a transparent material on top and sort the far Z so that the blend material is the only thing rendered.
This will allow you to see the skybox, but won't let you see anything underneath the tile unfortunately.
The only thing that has no workaround I think is that calculated shadows are messed up.
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Wow, really? I didn't notice any calculated shadow problems! 0.0
Anyhow, good job improving the game, as always!
Anyhow, good job improving the game, as always!
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Will you release different textures for the tile model?
Also how big is the tile model? I'm already planning applying custom tile textures like the ones made by b2m and nan0 when you release it and if its big then the texture might become stretched and blurry.
Also how big is the tile model? I'm already planning applying custom tile textures like the ones made by b2m and nan0 when you release it and if its big then the texture might become stretched and blurry.
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I will make a couple to match the existing sets (wood cobble etc) and one with sample texture that you can replace for whatever you want.
The tile is 2x2, equivalent to size 2 square terrain brush without corners, one square on the grid is equal to one tile on the turf model.
The difference is that the turf model tiles a texture per square on the grid, so if you use 64x64 texture you will get the same resolution as the regular tileset.
If you use 512x512 texture you will get 64 times... higher resolution than the tileset.
Like in the pic below, so no unless you use texture under 64x64 it won't be blurry.
You can also see the seam of the regular tileset on the pic, whereas there is no seam on the turf model.
This also means that a turf model of the same resolution as the regular tileset will only be about 15~17 kb.
The tile is 2x2, equivalent to size 2 square terrain brush without corners, one square on the grid is equal to one tile on the turf model.
The difference is that the turf model tiles a texture per square on the grid, so if you use 64x64 texture you will get the same resolution as the regular tileset.
If you use 512x512 texture you will get 64 times... higher resolution than the tileset.
Like in the pic below, so no
unless you use texture under 64x64 it won't be blurry.You can also see the seam of the regular tileset on the pic, whereas there is no seam on the turf model.
This also means that a turf model of the same resolution as the regular tileset will only be about 15~17 kb.
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Uhh so.. Is it a tileset or model? :/
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Both. It is a custom "ruined ground" model. It is a doodad but when you place it it replaces the tileset and you can shape it with terrain tools like it is a normal tileset.
I thought of using it long ago to replace ubersplats, but it does not work that way unfortunately.
I got back to it now that I was making the rocks and wanted some tile to put under my cave rocks and stuff, but I wanted some extra definition like a tiny rock or a piece of grass sticking out but without having to put them down manually all the time.
So I tried it and figured out you can use it for a lot of neat things, I think you can for use it for things like a trapdoor tile that has a cellar under it or a sinkhole in the ground with water or a cave at the bottom etc, apart from the obvious purpose of using it as a cheap tileset replacement.
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You can even make a subway I guess.
On another note - GO Talavaj, GO!
On another note - GO Talavaj, GO!
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That is very lovely to hear. I'm really glad you decided to do this because you really saved a lot of my plans on my map. And the filesize sounds fantastic.
That is very lovely to hear. I'm really glad you decided to do this because you really saved a lot of my plans on my map. And the filesize sounds fantastic.
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So , those trees pack must be released in the next few days. (Im so excited!)
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How's the pack comin' along?
I have a suggestion for future additions: Water surface white foam, currently it can be quite hard to create a natural flow for rivers. An example would be in most of Skyrim's rivers near waterfalls and rapids.
I have a suggestion for future additions: Water surface white foam, currently it can be quite hard to create a natural flow for rivers. An example would be in most of Skyrim's rivers near waterfalls and rapids.
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Yeah I was working on and already made some water models. They weren't exactly how I wanted them though so they aren't final.
Also if memory serves me right somebody asked for picture frames was it ?
Either way, I'm sorry for the lack of updates. My girlfriend is off the school since a couple weeks and I didn't get to sit behind this properly.
Also if memory serves me right somebody asked for picture frames was it ?
Either way, I'm sorry for the lack of updates. My girlfriend is off the school since a couple weeks and I didn't get to sit behind this properly.
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All good, life should always take precedence Would you be able to provide an ETA? As I'm sure we're all anxious to get our hands on this masterpiece.
Would you be able to provide an ETA? As I'm sure we're all anxious to get our hands on this masterpiece.
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I don't really know if this water models will give just when there is already a pretty good one around. Mind showing us a screencap(well just like me to a post if there is already one)?
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It was this one, and a few similar other ones. An attempt at making water currents that appear to interact with the river bed rather than just a bunch of flowing flat planes.
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Those rocks are part of the model? That looks gorgeous. Will probably make the rivers looks much livelier with that.
Anyway, it is just me or those bushes looks a lot like the WoW bushes? Either way, it looks good.
Anyway, it is just me or those bushes looks a lot like the WoW bushes? Either way, it looks good.
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The wow bushes are too cartoonish to look that Sexay.
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You're talking about the texture, I'm talking about the model itself.
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Yah, not all models have them though.
Lol, they are just a bunch of planes floating around really.
They aren't even the actual bush models, just parts of a tree model.
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Great stuff you have here, Mr. Talavaj.
Keep up your great work!
Greetings from SVK.
Keep up your great work!
Greetings from SVK.
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The environmental assets look awesome. Can't wait to use them, any news on when we might be seeing them released?
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Hopefully this weekend. In any case there will be a release this weekend, just not sure if it will contain everything.
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Perfect. We'll wait eagerly for the release Talavaj.
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Awesome, it will be the next milestone in terraining, mark my words.
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Of that we can be sure
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Oh mha ghad, I'm cancelling all my plans for weekends then.
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So, any news on the release?
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Working on it, the animations are still messed up and I still don't know what is wrong with it so that is that.
But the rest is ok, so later today I will try to put out all the rocks and the pine set and the island set (which also has grasses/bushes and trees other than palms and bananas) which are pretty much all exported by now. (except without animations)
But the rest is ok, so later today I will try to put out all the rocks and the pine set and the island set (which also has grasses/bushes and trees other than palms and bananas) which are pretty much all exported by now. (except without animations)
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Well, I for one need the static ones so even if they're not animated it's not too big of a deal. I guess you could release them in 2 sets - animated and stock.
