General Questions

[Linaze]

Post any and every general question you have here that hasn't already been answered before (read: search prior to asking). A developer will try to answer an asked question as soon as is possible.​

 

[Haggus555]

This looks really cool

Hello, brand new here, just joined a few minutes ago. This looks really really cool. How will this be implemented? Like will it be a series of maps (A custom campaign) etc? or is it sometihng else? if so could you please explain, also does this have a possible release date yet?

 

[Linaze]

This will be a series of multiplayer maps, all under 8MB so they're all playable on battle.net or via LAN.

There is no set release date for now, I'm afraid.

 

[Pietje]

Nice job on getting a forum, this project looks really nice.

Question are there gonna be special maps like the siege of stormwind or lordaeron capital. Anything in those contexts or is it designed to be purely and alternate melee?

 

[Linaze]

Interesting question. I can't say for sure whatever we'll actually make something like the examples you name (and if we did it would be in the distant future). But what I do know is that we don't have any plans for that right now.

 

[-Kobas-]

Good job man, I really like how this look like

 

[Deolrin]

Thank you for your kind words(I designed the hosted project site, not Linaze ^^), but this is not the place.
This topic is exclusively for questions.

 

[-Kobas-]

Ok then I have question, how you got this few web pages on thw?
I would like to know is there any way to do same with my hosted project.

 

[Deolrin]

Ask Ralle.
It's an experimental system for hosted projects as far as I know, but Ralle didn't tell me much.

 

[Linaze]

I was the one in touch with Ralle. Your best shot is to ask him for further information.

 

[Ken-E]

My Questions:
*Will this game features an AI opponent/ally?
*Will you guys include creeps in your game? I mean if there will be creeps guarding resources.
*How many units you'll add in the game?
*How many multiplayer maps have you planned to release?

 

[Linaze]

No.
Yes.
For the Horde it's something like 14.
No idea. One for the demo, I guess.

 

[Gausslander]

So there are only creeps guarding gold mines or will they also be guarding those capturable buildings you have mentioned since the beginning of the project?

Also, when are you going to release screenshots of the new terrain?

 

[Deolrin]

Some capturable buildings might be 'different'. They may not exactly require protection...
You'll see soon enough.

 

[Gausslander]

yay!

Also, I'm curious, did you remove the ogre mage unit entirely? As on your tech-tree page there are only about 7 units, I'm curious if you're going to update that eventually.

 

[Linaze]

Both the Ogre and Ogre mage are gone. The replacement is the Ogre Mauler, a heavy melee unit that deals extra damage against buildings.

 

[Gausslander]

I'd like to see the buildings of the horde, as there are several that do not exist in the current tech-tree of WC3, such as the steelworks and forge.

 

[Deolrin]

We're using Warcraft 3 models for all buildings but the Temple of Sargeras, which will be worked on in a later date. We're also using a texture for the Dragon Roost though.
The Steelworks is a Bestiary and the Forge is the BETA War Mill(the War Mill without the saw blade).
We're working on something relatively big and rather anticipated right now. Estimated time to finish: 1-2 weeks. In my honest opinion, it's quite worth the wait.
And no, it's not a demo.

 

[Linaze]

I actually think he meant that he wants an actual list of the Horde structures.

 

[Deolrin]

Alrighty, if that's what he meant, here we go:

• Great Hall: Trains peons and upgrades to Stronghold and Fortress to enable further tiers.
• Barracks: Trains Grunts, Troll Axethrowers and Ogre Maulers.
• Pig Farm: Provides food.
• Watch Tower: Defensive structure.
• Shrine of Sargeras: Trains Death Knights and Warlocks.
• Steelworks: Trains Goblin Sappers, Catapults and a flying unit that will be revealed later.
• Dragon Roost: Hatches Dragons.
• Forge: Contains defensive and offensive upgrades.
• Sawmill: Drop off point for lumber. May contain upgrades.
• Docks: Builds ships.

 

[Gausslander]

Wow, I like those buildings. Is the dock going to be available at t1?

 

[Linaze]

Yes. It won't have any form of requirement either, to allow the player to get it up super fast.

 

[Gausslander]

Yeah that's probably best.

Is it necessary to have a navy?

 

[Linaze]

To win a game? Of course. The required focus on naval map control and such depends on the map, obviously. On a map with lots of smaller islands the need for a navy is obviously larger than on a map with less water.

 

[Gausslander]

Hm... Would air units counter naval units then? Or are there anti-air ships?

 

[Linaze]

It's not as easy as air countering naval and naval countering ground. Every unit (ground, air or naval) has one or several counters but also counters one or several units. Grunts, for instance, are effective against Axethrowers but weak against Maulers, just like Juggernaughts are effective against Destroyers but weak against Dragons.

 

[Kam]

I'm curious to see how you integrate oil in your project, it was a concept I finally gave up on in mine.

 

[Linaze]

We're not adding oil as a third resource, mainly due to engine limitations. We considered adding oil patches or fish schools that would yield gold when harvested, though, but we pretty much dropped that concept as well.

 

[Kam]

Yea I had tried a fishing system as well but it really didn't fit into the concept. I had also used an Ogre Mauler at one time many versions ago but I like Bloodlust and Runes too much. Will those spells be present in any form?

 

[Linaze]

Perhaps Bloodlust will be featured in some form because it's of its symbolical significance, so to say. This is nothing we have planned, however. As for Runes, there are no plans for including this spell at all.
Can you elaborate on your Ogre Mauler? Could be pretty interesting to compare ours and yours.

 

[Kam]

It was a heavy melee unit with a medium Bash percentage and dealt extra damage to buildings. I had also used the one-headed ogre Stonemaul model.

From what I see many of the features of our projects are similar. I had more elaborate ship designs as well for a time. Orcs had a dummy transport that was indistinguishable from the normal one that had suicide. Humans had a ship that created a line of moving fire to torch enemy units.

Edit: If you want to take a look at the latest version I'm working on let me know. It might spark some ideas.

 

[wowcraft]

We're working on something relatively big and rather anticipated right now. Estimated time to finish: 1-2 weeks. In my honest opinion, it's quite worth the wait.
And no, it's not a demo.

You guys are full of surprises huh! keep them coming.


Question - Since the ogre mage is gone do you consider a shaman for a orc healer or support caster who is able to cast bloodlust??

Opinion - The techtree you have now none of the units of the horde would fit that description to cast such a spell. Mr.Goblin made an amazing icon for a shaman which looks great and fits nicely with the ones made for this project.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnfrostwolfrider-162036/?prev=search%3Dfrostwolf%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20

 

[Deolrin]

The two spellcasters of the Horde are the Death Knight and the Warlock, with the Goblin Sapper being a "semi-spellcaster"(having no mana, but being able to lay Land Mines and detonate).

And he made that icon for my model, not for a Shaman.

 

[wowcraft]

Oh i didn't even see that model you made there. I been on the hive for a while now and never saw it. It is a nice model. Ok mybad bout that there bro.

Since there is 2 casters i would not even throw bloodlust in the game (i saw a post you wrote about it was a possibility) I would give the warlock an ability to give them a frenzy like bloodlust and give it some name like demonic rage or something like that. Never heard you speak of any warlock spells yet so im still wondering what they might be. Im just sharing an idea thats all.

 

[Linaze]

So basically you're suggesting a Bloodlust ability with a different name?

 

[wowcraft]

Kinda! i didn't know the Ogre mage was taking out till yesterday and i saw bloodlust might of been in the game, which does not make sense. Only thing i would suggest is making it more like frenzy where the player will attack stronger (instead of attack rate) and lose health in the process. Because if it is a demon spell it should make the orcs bleed out slowly while under this rage. Like a Orc with demon blood (they turn into fel orcs (Stronger)). But of course give this to the warlock to boost his army and thats how i got the name Demonic Rage.

Edit: because the horde has no healing casters, and this spell will bleed them out. It will make players use the ability at the time of need.

And also for a "AOE" if you put one in for a warlock you should have it like the new warlock spell in WOW called the "hand of Gul'dan" dealing damage from a falling inferno meteor as a "AOE" a single cast instead of rain of fire where it has to channel. Each unit hit by the meteor will also take additional fire damage over time on top of the AOE damage itself from the impact.

 

[Linaze]

We'll have to see if there's room in SoC for a bloodlust spell, I guess. If we do include one, I'll be sure to take your suggestion into consideration.

Funny also how you mention an AoE ability for the warlock... we'll get back to you on that one.

 

[Nightblade]

Please remember..Retain the feel!

 

[Linaze]

What the... What've you been smoking, Nightblade?

 

[Deolrin]

He's talking about the WarCraft II feel, I assume.

 

[Kam]

I don't think they have to worry about losing the Warcraft II feel.

 

[Gausslander]

It looks a lot like Warcraft IV to me.

 

[wowcraft]

We'll have to see if there's room in SoC for a bloodlust spell, I guess. If we do include one, I'll be sure to take your suggestion into consideration.

Funny also how you mention an AoE ability for the warlock... we'll get back to you on that one.

Cool! anything i can do to help just gimme a holla. I really like to see this project reach 100%.

?Question? Can you upload a screen shot of the warlock, if it's completed?

 

[Linaze]

How can this possibly look like WCIV?

Oh and the Warlock is not completed.

 

[Gausslander]

I was merely making a joke about how much better your models and textures look compared to the standard WC3 ones. Nothing to get upset about.

 

[Linaze]

In that case I thank you for your compliment. Although I still can't see how some models, model edits and a different style for textures make WC3 look like it's possible sequel. Oh well.

 

[Gausslander]

Could we see a few gameplay screenshots or some screenshots of your new terrain?

 

[Linaze]

In due time.

 

[Nightblade]

Cmon,removing D&D was bad enough,dont go the same way with bloodlust as well.

or the aoe ability for warlock is d&d?

 

[Deolrin]

I don't see your point.
Most abilities won't be from Warcraft II, but unique to Scars of Conflict. This is because SoC is not a Warcraft II remake, and is only based around the timeline of Warcraft II.