Forgotten War COOP Campaign for 2 players version 1.3

[Matt V.]

We don't do that unless it breaks the rules. Worst case scenario->Substandard.

Don't worry. One step at a time.

Alright.. just out of curiosity- does this campaign have any possibility to be at least considered more than substandard so far?

 

[deepstrasz]

Alright.. just out of curiosity- does this campaign have any possibility to be at least considered more than substandard so far?

Right now, from my point of view, not really but my view isn't law. That's a general thing though as I am very strict with edits.
There are other reviewers and if Ralle gets made he might approve it or something, lol, since he wrote somewhere that turning stuff into co-op is hard work or something like that.

 

[Matt V.]

Right now, from my point of view, not really but my view isn't law. That's a general thing though as I am very strict with edits.
There are other reviewers and if Ralle gets made he might approve it or something, lol, since he wrote somewhere that turning stuff into co-op is hard work or something like that.

Alright, I'll keep that in mind
Btw I agree with Ralle since you have to do double the scripts and triggers, especially when it comes to cinematics and alliances and such.
However those are all subjective opinions.
I'll send you a private message once I update it. Thanks for your time and for your review!

 

[deepstrasz]

Yeah, since it's co-op. Try to give roles to each player. For instance in the first chapter, one could extensively work on finding the lizards while the other can take care of the dragons.

 

[Matt V.]

Yeah, since it's co-op. Try to give roles to each player. For instance in the first chapter, one could extensively work on finding the lizards while the other can take care of the dragons.

Well... I tested the campaign with my friend today. GOD why didn't anyone tell me about this! The campaign is so broken overall? for instance level 6- broken triggers. Level 7- most of the units are unavailable, although they should be available... Level 8- absolutely boring and tedious, level 9- units die instantly due to sunlight so it's impossible for P2 to play. And besides these, I made another of my list of all the issues we have encountered, including some ideas of yours and mine.

Jesus, if there was just one person who would say "yo it's broken" and then listed a few of the issues, it would have all been fixed by now. Well, seems like I have a lot of work to do.

 

[deepstrasz]

esus, if there was just one person who would say "yo it's broken" and then listed a few of the issues, it would have all been fixed by now. Well, seems like I have a lot of work to do.

Ah. Don't worry. Take your time.

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EDIT:

Generally, there's a delay before cinematic mode goes on.

Spoiler: chap1

1. -hero glow for those who haven't: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
2. -the new hero is humanoid though
3. -the camera should start where your base is not in the darkness
4. -Fan of Knives has a non-English description (urove). Same with the murloc summoning spell.
5. -Resurrection isn't properly positioned in the learn ability menu or should I say, the murloc spell isn't. Same after you learn it.
6. -Cleaver's "rank" is also his name. It should something else like Malkor is a sage.
7. -Cleaver already has the Orb of Venom? Ah, to attack air?
8. -the dragon scene might trigger right after the one with the scout and there's no time to read what's on screen about 60 food capacity.
9. -units/buildings selected during the ventar scene.
10. -didn't test. Do you lose the mission if one Brutal Lizard dies? Ok, the draogns killed one. No loss but I assume you can't finish the mission now. Actually, it can be completed. Phew.
11. -maybe you could find a different skin for them.
12. -so none of the lizards hidden between trees?
13. -Cleaver also looks too civilized, dressed and stuff compared to the bare lizards.

Spoiler: chap2

1. -was there supposed to be a scene after killing the hyppogryph? Cinematic mode quickly started and ended.
2. -there are some bugged ramps near the hyppo nests which could be fixed. Well, there are more but they aren't game breaking or anything.
3. -Sonar should have a passive icon. You can change it with Button Manager v1.8.2
4. -not sure why elves would be hiding outside instead of in their houses or in the woods though At least you don't have to kill each and everyone of them.
5. -girls doin all the work for their daddy.
6. -by the way, Cleaver doesn't have a fitting icon.
7. -Satyrs and nelves together. Love all around the World of Warcraft.
8. -lizards moved past Larodar before the scene started xD

Spoiler: chap3

1. -crazy stuff about map intros is that after they end another scene starts :\
2. -Fire Elemental should have a proper description with stuff for all levels when learning it. Look at the one for the Summon Water Elemetal.
3. -Banish should have the same/original icon since it's basically the same spell.
4. -should a Glyph of Omniscience drop at the first Codex zone?
5. -even murlocs and turtles are under the Moonstone Defenders? Even rats!?
   
6. -crazy purple AI came with loads of wisps besides troops when I went to the southeastern Codex.
7. -destroying a base before finishing the first quests will trigger the quest event that you've completed an objected related to that "hidden" quest.
8. -the AI troops might attack during the Moonstone scene after destroying it. You should pause all units not required for the scene and unpause them afterwards. And because the scene is long, the AI might also train troops during that period leaving you defenseless.
9. -Wildkins spam their mine with workers.
10. -there's literally a bug that spawns huge amounts of yellow Chimaeras in the middle of the map. The game froze. That started happening when I attacked the yellow base.

Spoiler: chap4

1. -there are some neutral trolls near the bloody river a bit farther from the cages as projections of those cages to their north. What's up with them?
2. -the wildkin objective might be completed once you destroy their main building but they do rebuild.
3. -altar of sacred warriors has a big selection circle. Similarly their lumber mill.
4. -what secret entrance, lol? It's so straightforward.

Spoiler: chap5

1. -Sunshine should look active.
2. -Sonar should look passive.
3. -not sure if intentional but only the nerubian player has access to the spiked barricades upgrade for the units.

Spoiler: chap6

1. -Flame Aura needs a passive icon.
2. -Rawrath doesn't have hero glow and is too small. How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
3. -the intro doesn't fully complete before cinematic mode is turned off and troops start fighting. Also, camera shifting and transmissions still run.
4. -Nerubian Mega Destroyers have hero glow and they look like the Crypt Lord hero.
5. -Tornado has no per level description. Always costs the same amount of mana and has the same description. No idea if there's actually any difference.
6. -the troll scene triggers with the troll being somewhere near your base and with no cinematic mode.
7. -the Triax Commander might use Animate Dead on his own. And Divine Shield too. I guess there's an AI for this player running?
8. -Flame Aura's buff icon is that of Unholy Aura.
9. -I think you get the PotM Possession quest a bit too late?
10. -apparently I didn't get the Gates of Lamdal quest but it's running.
11. -how do you use the magic Lamdal word ? Tried writing it and White Home next to the field. Went with the flying hero there and nothing. There's two scrolls by the way. So, I resorted to boats.
12. -once you're in they don't really pose a threat. You can take your time.
13. -no idea if the trolls were meant to give a quest or do anything but nothing happened with them except for that broken scene.
14. -when the Triax Commander teleports in the enemy citadel via the way gate, a scene starts. This does not happen if the flying hero goes in. Make sure that both players can trigger stuff otherwise it gets really ugly.
    
15. -Lineage of Arceon scene not in cinematic mode.
16. -the troll gives you the great army after a specific amount of time? I'm kind of done with the enemy. But there's no army?

Spoiler: chap7

1. -Illidan has Mana Burn now instead of Sunshine?
2. -the other heroes have no glow.
3. -crazy chapter. Invisible enemies from the start. Got a bit lost there.
4. -Staff of Absolution works on your units as well.
5. -of you destroy a demon gate and don't have the quest you get the quest update.
6. -the other main quest can be completed before the triax army one if the corrupted and southwestern demons are eliminated.

Spoiler: chap8

1. -fighting the mammoth near the troll tribe during the cinematic scene.
2. -double message: "we are about..." something, right before getting to the trolls.
3. -the troll warlord appears red in cinematic mode even though blue on the terrain.
4. -a big mammoth became mine in the magnataur zone and the polar bears are friendly?
5. -crap, shared units can't get in the same boat. Ah well, at least enough resources for another boat. Might want to remove the cooldown though.
6. -the troll optional quest completed before the scene started and afterwards Illidan suddenly disappeared during the scene.
7. -the blue dragon hero doesn't have hero glow.

Spoiler: chap9

1. -Deathwing's Breath of Fire needs a proper description with levels etc.
2. -Divine Wrath has the icon of Serpent Wards. Try another unused one.
3. -Deathwing has no hero glow.
4. -would be nice for Deathwing's Devour to work on flying units as well
5. -vault gold mine message spam upon selecting them.
6. -Galgdar should have hero glow.
7. -when are you supposed to get the dragon roost quest? The q update and complete messages appear though.
8. -elves in cages but are good guys ?
9. -Codex of Fire quest is lame; easy and many rewards.

Although some polish would do good and there's always room for improvement, the issues are those in whitened text.

Awaiting Update.

(previous comments: Forgotten War COOP Campaign for 2 players version 1.2)

 

[tulee]

Plot Twist: Even after getting approved, Matt's campaign still doesn't get commented on by anyone.

 

[deepstrasz]

Sadly, this hasn't been properly fixed yet.
Substandard.