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*Has his hand going up and down, just like in Rock, Paper, Scissors*
*Makes a Jawa with his hand*
Jawa beats Droid.
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Please allow me to quote myself...
This means that he is the best.
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Ahem, may I point out the one that killed him in the first place? I mean he lost most of his light sabers against Obi Wan.
In anycase, I still prefer Yoda... definately his speech...
nly way to SAVE Vader was to make him good.
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You guys have it all wrong 
First off, Anakin was a billion times superior to Vader. Why? Because he wasn't a crippled bastard dragging an oxygen tank around everywhere as Anakin. Anakin, if he hadn't been owned by the lava, would have become the most powerful Dark Jedi of all time. Period. He would have been at the absolute top of his game.
Anakin could use a lightsaber like nobody else. All that went to shit when he became the robotic dead. His mastery in the force continued (Though we don't see it in the movies because of the special effects; Anakin appears more powerful with the Force than Vader does for precisely that reason, in the 70's/80's the Force was limited to very simple stuff, it became unlimited with the advances in special effects, however), but his lightsaber skills only deteriorated.
In fact, during his post-Order 66 Purge of the Jedi, Vader nearly got himself killed. He was clumsy and unaccustomed to working with his new body, and almost got owned by a Padawan.
THIS IS CANON PEOPLE.
Obviously in the next twenty-odd years he made advances, but he never reached the same heights he could have pre-suit.
As for Grievous:
He was a fag. The character didn't really have any originality to it, half machine half human? Sounds like a certain Dark Lord of the Sith I know.
Sure, the four hands thing was cool, and the possibility that he could have mastered lightsaber technique beyond anything capable by a human, but his whole lack of the Force shot that entire thing down.
He became weak next to a Jedi, all they had to do was use the Force against him, as Obi-Wan demonstrated.
He was an amateur. Dooku was a far more interesting bad guy, and even though he was weak and pathetic too, he at least had mastery of the Force.
So, both of them are certainly not the best characters in the series, to do with power anyway, but both are pretty cool.
First off, Anakin was a billion times superior to Vader. Why? Because he wasn't a crippled bastard dragging an oxygen tank around everywhere as Anakin. Anakin, if he hadn't been owned by the lava, would have become the most powerful Dark Jedi of all time. Period. He would have been at the absolute top of his game.
Anakin could use a lightsaber like nobody else. All that went to shit when he became the robotic dead. His mastery in the force continued (Though we don't see it in the movies because of the special effects; Anakin appears more powerful with the Force than Vader does for precisely that reason, in the 70's/80's the Force was limited to very simple stuff, it became unlimited with the advances in special effects, however), but his lightsaber skills only deteriorated.
In fact, during his post-Order 66 Purge of the Jedi, Vader nearly got himself killed. He was clumsy and unaccustomed to working with his new body, and almost got owned by a Padawan.
THIS IS CANON PEOPLE.
Obviously in the next twenty-odd years he made advances, but he never reached the same heights he could have pre-suit.
As for Grievous:
He was a fag. The character didn't really have any originality to it, half machine half human? Sounds like a certain Dark Lord of the Sith I know.
Sure, the four hands thing was cool, and the possibility that he could have mastered lightsaber technique beyond anything capable by a human, but his whole lack of the Force shot that entire thing down.
He became weak next to a Jedi, all they had to do was use the Force against him, as Obi-Wan demonstrated.
He was an amateur. Dooku was a far more interesting bad guy, and even though he was weak and pathetic too, he at least had mastery of the Force.
So, both of them are certainly not the best characters in the series, to do with power anyway, but both are pretty cool.
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They are the same person, but Anakin is so vastly different that it makes sense to refer to them as two different people.
And Grievous connection to the Force was severed when he became half-machine, it can't be duplicated.
And Grievous connection to the Force was severed when he became half-machine, it can't be duplicated.
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Yeah, the problem with Grievous is that only his internal organs (Or some of them anyway) and his brain were intact. Apparently this severs the Force, whereas Vader was a human frame with cyborg addons to keep him alive.
I'm assuming that's why Grievous was disconnected from the Force. Or perhaps he was never a Force-user to begin with, and was only prodigious with a lightsaber because of his crazy robot arms and such?
I'm assuming that's why Grievous was disconnected from the Force. Or perhaps he was never a Force-user to begin with, and was only prodigious with a lightsaber because of his crazy robot arms and such?
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Yeah I agree. It would be safe to assume that you need at least 1 limb that's intact to channel the force through it.
The thing I love about Grievous the most is his ridiculous voice, minus the gay coughing.
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Vader still had limbs though. Part of him was human. Grievous could not use the force. Could not. He didn't have the power, either because he wasn't Force sensitive or because he was a machine, or probably both.
Gary Oldman was rumored to do his voice, which would have been totally awesome.
Gary Oldman was rumored to do his voice, which would have been totally awesome.
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Because you need to be alive to have a connection to the Force.
It is debatable whether Grievous was alive or not.
On top of that, everyone alive has a connection, but only a select few can take that connection and use it.
It is debatable whether Grievous was alive or not.
On top of that, everyone alive has a connection, but only a select few can take that connection and use it.
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He was an alien of some sort. His coughing is completely metallic. He does it to try and seem real but his entire throat/everything is all robotic.
He has eyes.
But he might not have had access to the Force to begin with.
He has eyes.
But he might not have had access to the Force to begin with.
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Actually I think the coughing is because Mace Windu crushed his abdomen with the Force.
The part that contains the heart and 1 other organ (probably the lungs) so the coughing may have been real, just "enhanced" by his robotic parts.
I think it's a combination of not having been Force adept to begin with and being a cyborg thing.
The part that contains the heart and 1 other organ (probably the lungs) so the coughing may have been real, just "enhanced" by his robotic parts.
I think it's a combination of not having been Force adept to begin with and being a cyborg thing.
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Oh, is that all?
He was totally evil and Obi-Wan pwned him. Cool character though, and his cape was pretty sweet.
He was totally evil and Obi-Wan pwned him. Cool character though, and his cape was pretty sweet.
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Even if he was sick after his chest was crushed, who do you think crushed his chest anyway? And he is a Jedi so pfft, he can't kill all Jedi and Sith.
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He's not a Jedi. He's a robot with a bunch of lightsabers.
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I don't like that guy hes a Jedi wannabe
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Yeah, he was no Jedi, but he wanted to be one I think. He despised the Jedi for their command of the force so he spited them by destroying them with his sabers.
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Yea he just wants to be like the other Jedi. Killing something you hate with the weapon they wield is kinda nice.
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The Republic isn't evil. The Empire is. And even then, it's only because Palpatine rules it like a fascist dictator.
The Imperial Remnant after the movies prove to be great allies eventually.
As for Grievous, though, pure evil. He doesn't even pretend to have any idealistic goals like some of the Sith, he's just straight up in it for the killing.
The Imperial Remnant after the movies prove to be great allies eventually.
As for Grievous, though, pure evil. He doesn't even pretend to have any idealistic goals like some of the Sith, he's just straight up in it for the killing.
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That whole Cade Skywalker 100 years in the future shit is non-canon if you ask me.
Everyone tries to kill Fett at some point or another, get used to it
Everyone tries to kill Fett at some point or another, get used to it
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Well, I agree it's pretty close to non-canon, but it would be interesting to see the connections between "now" and then. (Now being 44ABY).
Yeah everyone tries to kill Fett, but I swear, if it ends up the Remnant's virus kills him, eventually, I'm going apeshit crazy.
Yeah everyone tries to kill Fett, but I swear, if it ends up the Remnant's virus kills him, eventually, I'm going apeshit crazy.
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It's true, but I think it's really up to Lucas to see where things go as we progress through the years. There's no jumping ahead. That limits what can be done with the "now" canon.
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