Dwarven Monster Slayers

[MoCo]

chapter 3 is hard to camp tho, because of those guys with AoE abilities, they will wreck whatever is behind the tank

I wonder if you increased Aqcuration(dont know if thats exactly how its spelled lol ) range of the Leader

Well, rain of fire causes some trouble, but I think thats fine though. I mean, c'mon, we're talking about chapter 3. Something needs to happen here.. big demons need big fire.

Haven't changed the aquisition yet. Well, you sure, you always want that your hero automatically runs around if he notices a monster? Personally, I prefer it exact the other way so you can better hold a position and have more control of things?!

 

[savinguptobebroke]

chapter 3 is hard to camp tho, because of those guys with AoE abilities, they will wreck whatever is behind the tank

What ? My brother and I camp all the time in the 3 rd chapter it is total possible, even on hard

BUG
-turrets kills don't count toward to the kills of the engineer.

Note

-The amount of crystals you get on an easy match is ridiculous we often get 4-7 crystals in the first 5 levels on easy . Where as you get far less on hard and normal .In a recent play through on hard we only got a crystal on level 11.

- The 3rd chapter has no interludes at all.

- from level 1 to 30 playing as the engineer his Gatling turret only gains one damage while the sniper gains over 100 damage this make the Gatling gun very impractical past wave 4 or in the late game.

-The Hunters bear , although he is the tank pet , the wolf is far better at the job as he raises more agro then the bear , does more damage and lasts longer as he has the 66% dodge chance.

-My brother insists that I tell you that the bird is useless.

-The waves in chapter 2 feel a lot longer because of the reaper perhaps you should reduce the total number of monsters in a wave so it is a bit shorter.

- could you make the first boss battle a bit more interesting as all we do at the moment is stand there pounding him until he dies at the moment.

-Barney could use some abilities as he is rather boring compared to Mordred .

-Something more to spend gold on , even if it is crystals at a 20 to 1 exchange rate

Thanks as always and keep up the good work , note that these are just suggestions and nothing more .

 

[MoCo]

Thesee are very good suggestions. I really appreciate that you play so much and identify weak spots in the game. So, couldn't be happier with the feedback response and I put all these points on my list.

Besides, do you have some good ideas how to make the first boss more challenging?
And: maybe an idea for a good supporting ability to give to the falcon?

 

[edo494]

Well, rain of fire causes some trouble, but I think thats fine though. I mean, c'mon, we're talking about chapter 3. Something needs to happen here.. big demons need big fire.

Haven't changed the aquisition yet. Well, you sure, you always want that your hero automatically runs around if he notices a monster? Personally, I prefer it exact the other way so you can better hold a position and have more control of things?!

I dont say the rain is good, just it causes a bit of damage I am actually totally fine with that, do even more, so I cant camp!

The bear has issues, because while the Leader doesnt run around, the bear certainly does and the priest has to run to him to heal him regardless

More interesting boss? Add spawns, or add a self heal, or maybe something like the chain stuff from the spirit walkers, that makes all units take the damage

 

[savinguptobebroke]

Besides, do you have some good ideas how to make the first boss more challenging?
And: maybe an idea for a good supporting ability to give to the falcon?[/QUOTE]

Ideas 4 first boss

1-all those dead dwarf bodies they resurrect .

2-the boss has three lives he gets progressively stronger after each time he is defeated and unlocks more abilities.
1st level he has his frost bolt and frost hail .
2nd level he gains he frost surge that deals 5 damage and inflicts frost effect and people he also raises some dwarfs around the map
3rd the resurrect lots of zombies and some dwarfs he gains the blood lust ability and the ability to spawn zombies around a specific player.
After you kill him now the dwarfs have smartened up and now attack is body before his magic has time to heal him.

3- a knock back ability

4 - a cinematic see image . Thorin approaches the main gate he stares at it and smacks it with is hammer and turns around " I was hoping that would work , Alrik have any ideas ? '' .The dwarfs stare back silently , he repeats the question .The he feels a sudden rush of cool air a turns around only to discover the gigantic behemoth behind him , he says some thing about his mother and battle begins .

Ideas for falcon

1-a eagle eye (ironic since he is a falcon ) he passively increases all near by heroes sight range drastically and a slight range increase or crit

1-b the hunter and falcon become one , his shoots now are pin point an piece multiple foes for a time. 10 - 15 seconds

2 after a period of time the falcon can go off map a summon a griffin friend for 30 or 60 second the griffin is very strong but he doesn't like cave much so has to leave after some time.

 

[edo494]

also, pets are right now veeery abusable, if your bear dies, you can ressurect him instantly, so you theoretically have permanent tank, unless hunter dies ofc

 

[Sheep]

Haven't changed the aquisition yet. Well, you sure, you always want that your hero automatically runs around if he notices a monster? Personally, I prefer it exact the other way so you can better hold a position and have more control of things?!

Ain't that why Warcraft III got a hold position command?
I would use that, if I wanted my unit to stand still.

 

[IamFootman061]

One of the best map. I hope you had a garena group so I can play together with other people

 

[edo494]

Ain't that why Warcraft III got a hold position command?
I would use that, if I wanted my unit to stand still.

however, range units will gladly rape your tank then, because he will not run to them :/

 

[Phillzor]

ALRIGHT! Time for my feedback.

Played today with my brother on LAN for about an hr or so. We got passed mordred and the fat one (cant remember name) boss.

I have a few complaints:
1. The first room and in a few other rooms, the MASSIVE pillar/ column things BLOCK the camera vision so i cannot see my character!

2. The item system is very boring and i felt like there was no real character progression nor was there effort = reward feeling.

Ok thats only 2 complaints, the rest however from what i saw was pretty good. I liked the combat (played the slayer), i liked the reaper of souls roaming around forcing us to move around and i thought the bosses were pretty cool too.

And LOL i also thought it felt like Killing Floor too, so you got that part right.

Anyway, my overall rating would be 3/5, and thats only because the item system really isnt immersive and its quite rubbish (no offence). If the item system was improved you would get at least 4/5 from me, if not a 5/5.

 

[MoCo]

Yeah, I'm already planning to improve the items, so expect an upgrade here soon. However, since there still seem to be some crucial bugs, I have some other points to take care of first.

 

[MoCo]

I've just uploaded 0.87 containing a lot of bugfixes. As the most important change, cheating is no longer possible. As always, you find a listing of the particular changes here: www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/dwarven-monster-slayers-709/news-updates-235549/

 

[Phillzor]

Just defeated hard mode using a slayer and battlepriest, we only wiped once.

 

[MoCo]

It seems that this hero combination is comparatively strong.

 

[edo494]

I want refund

I saved Thordal with badass 18% hammer, and I cant load him anymore(Invalid code) in lan game

 

[Deleted member 219079]

MoCo needs to PM you a code with which you can get some credit back (mind lending it after you've used it?)

 

[MoCo]

Haha... Don't want to dissapoint you, but chances are that all codes won't be working anymore after the map has left beta status. I had actually planned to reset all codes on the 1.0 release. Anyway, 18% isn't too much badass at all I think

 

[edo494]

meh, already got 32% and 80 life on the hunter but 18% seemed badass, because that was max I saw

 

[Phillzor]

Haha... Don't want to dissapoint you, but chances are that all codes won't be working anymore after the map has left beta status. I had actually planned to reset all codes on the 1.0 release. Anyway, 18% isn't too much badass at all I think

Before actually "releasing" the game, you should really fix the item system. I know i said it before, but it just kills the game having a crummy item system where there is fuck all effort = reward.

There also needs to be choice in what items to actually use, like right now for example the only difference between weapons are the % damage increases, thats it ...

Anyway, good luck doing it, i still think its a pretty good game

 

[MoCo]

What do you actually mean by "fuck all effort = reward"?

 

[edo494]

I finish solo Normal mode with 3 heroes after 3 hours on the new version

Suggestion: While fighting the boss duting chapter 2(dreadlord and something big and ugly ) the reaper is still sround, which is more annoyinh than helpful imo, because you cant just stand in the corner because dreadlord will rape you

but you still have to run like a pussy because the reaper wants your head and you will spend more time in thr fight running than fighting

Also, when Roryn gets oblitetated by the woman, she says Dwarfs, it should be Dwarves

sorry for typos, typing on mobile sucks

 

[GreyMatter]

Hello, I been reading this thread for a bit and just wanted to add about the game. Played it once with my friend beat it first try. on .84 normal mode. Ranger and Slayer no wipe and it was almost to say easy. but what I noticed and felt, though it seems like you have already taken some steps to fix the problems. With out you leveling you characters skills or finding items that change them or give you new skills the game gets a little bland as the ranger I only had to use a few skills and I was extremely effective, the aoe slow seal and its q to snipe the strong ranged units and bosses, then your pet and pet heal but that is not even used that often. as the game went on and the waves got longer, not harder I was just kinda bored i would sit behind the bear or slayer and mindless auto attack till there was something that was worth a Q. Even when we played a wave where there was 3 or more ways for the mobs to get at us there was often not enough fear or pressure, when you added the jumping and teleporting creeps it almost made things spicy but as the ranger i could just one shot the few that did it. but while i want it hard I don't want it unplayable like the black holes the angels make if you don't know about it and are unlucky you can get killed and your ankh goes off right away and you just die again because the hole does not move off your dead body. But like what most people have been saying, you need a better items system maybe things that are spells or will at to your hero's so as you progress you earn something, and unless the harder difficulties have better crystal drops you might wanna increase there drop rate, in our whole play threw we came across 5, not a whole lot of items to be had. Besides the Length of one play threw and the lack of variance threw the play threw and lvling up. the game played nice looked nice and felt nice. just wish there was more of an rpg or reward factor to playing the game.

 

[MoCo]

Thanks for your feedback. Got your points. Some things should be already taken care of and if its too easy, you actually should try one of the higher difficulties next time (you may try the new 0.88 version on hard or insane). Even though you might be good at micro, I don't expect things will be boring on insane at all..

Anyways, I see that the item system should be the primary focus of the next big update since here is a lot of demand for improvment. Moreover, I will make some thought on how to bring in a little more character development.

 

[Phillzor]

What do you actually mean by "fuck all effort = reward"?

Ok what i mean by that is, we play for like 2 hours completing hard difficulty (which takes a lot of effort), and during the whole thing i dont upgrade a single item.

So theres all this effort put in, with little reward. The last run i did for example, the only thing i got was 1 extra crystal.

 

[Phillzor]

Thanks for your feedback. Got your points. Some things should be already taken care of and if its to easy, you definitely should try one of the higher difficulties next time (you may the new 0.88 on hard or insane)

Anyways, I see that the item system should be the primary focus of the next big update since here is a lot of demand for improvment. Moreover, I will make some thought on how to bring in a little more character development.

Yep defiently work on items next patch, it would be good if weapons/ other items gave different stats from one another instead of just a bonus to damage.

Edit: Sorry for double posting

 

[MoCo]

OK, got the point.

 

[Phillzor]

Also i think maybe you should make it so you can change abilities for the classes, i think thatll add more of a replayability value. However, not a huge priority as much as a new item system

 

[muzzel]

So we just played this game with 4 people and its actually kinda funny. But:
- Heroes are not cusumizable, this makes the whole game a bit boring to play as your hero stays at it is from the beginning till the end. There are no stats you can spend, there are no spells you can learn/levelup, you dont have much itemchoice (the only choice i had was which orb to use)...
- Right before we killed the last boss (at that point only 2 people were left in the game, ranger + healer) the healer got teleported far away from the bosses location. He didnt have enough time to run back to the boss to claim his items because the game ended before he arrived. That kinda sucks...
- After the game ended there is like 3 minutes of video when nothing is happening (except that the picture is fading dark) and when you cannot quit the game or even write to other players. At least allow people to chat before they get thrown out...

Overall it was fun to play, but after like 10 minutes it gets a bit boring especially because of the missing hero development.

 

[edo494]

So we just played this game with 4 people and its actually kinda funny. But:
- Heroes are not cusumizable, this makes the whole game a bit boring to play as your hero stays at it is from the beginning till the end. There are no stats you can spend, there are no spells you can learn/levelup, you dont have much itemchoice (the only choice i had was which orb to use)...
- Right before we killed the last boss (at that point only 2 people were left in the game, ranger + healer) the healer got teleported far away from the bosses location. He didnt have enough time to run back to the boss to claim his items because the game ended before he arrived. That kinda sucks...
- After the game ended there is like 3 minutes of video when nothing is happening (except that the picture is fading dark) and when you cannot quit the game or even write to other players. At least allow people to chat before they get thrown out...

Overall it was fun to play, but after like 10 minutes it gets a bit boring especially because of the missing hero development.

you know you could pull stash and insert item into it, and run to the healer, meeting him half-way and giving him the item from stash?

 

[muzzel]

you know you could pull stash and insert item into it, and run to the healer, meeting him half-way and giving him the item from stash?

Sure thats a possible workaround, but thats not how a map should work. Its surely not intended and needs to be fixed.

 

[MoCo]

Thanks for the feedback. Points are noted and will be adressed.

 

[savinguptobebroke]

LOL , I check the hive every day and I only noticed the new version today XD

 

[Sgt.Pierce]

This game is AWESOME!! 5/5 I played it on single player using three, yeah three heroes! (Thordal,Gortek,Borgo=perfectcombo). I beaten the game in normal difficulty. But after I killed the boss, it said that "it's a good time to save your hero", but it's so fast. While i'm fixing the items, a cinematic started(which i really didn't expect). So I haven't saved my heroes' items. T.T

Anyway, awesome game!!

 

[MoCo]

Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, I will increase the time to outro so that there is enough time to manage the items.

 

[zakurai]

this is awesome, if this is somekind of an RPG style map, this would've been totally rocked srsly.....

 

[BandolXD]

Will the code still working for other version of map ?

 

[MoCo]

You mean the save codes?
In fact, I will soon release a very big update that will completely change many things over. After this update, I'm afraid old save codes will not work any longer.

 

[MoCo]

OK, it definitely took some time, but finally here is the 0.90 update.

This time, it's a massive one - check here for more info: Version Info & News

 

[Flutterguy]

Great Map =)

Love the idea and the abilities; although the pace/difficulty could still use work. (feels slow and too easy at parts, particularly compared to some harder things in earlier waves--such as dwarf boss from cinematic being easier than the vampire (with the leaping and mirror imaging; and there are undead dwarves that are harder than later enemies rather early on due to their dps and charge skills) but going up from easy to normal is often too hard--at least in public games where people are playing for the first time (unfamiliar with skills as well as lacking equipment). Perhaps make the current "easy" into "very easy" and make "easy" an inbetween difficulty?

Some observations:
♦It invariably seems like Thordal always leaves in the first 10 minutes (boring to play? Or coincidence/similar types of people pick him?--and the rest of the game there's constantly Thordal drops and Thordal items in shop.)

♦Cloth armors seem too rare (perhaps increase drop rate for a really basic one). I've yet to see one drop (5 or so games so far--although most fall apart early) although i did see one player with a cloth armor.

Opinion: the first part of intro that introduces setting and a great evil seems overly bland/ordinary/dull (much better once we're introduced to the dwarves) Not sure how to improve it though---perhaps some unique factoid about the dwarven stronghold--the quirkier the better. Like they always eat spaghetti with a spoon on the night of a blue moon. (Can't think of relevent examples for dwarves) Or perhaps they're best known for their ballet dancing, or a play called "the dwarf the man and the night elf monstrosity" or for tap dancing in the rain or baking a mean dirt pie. Or maybe something more obscure than quirky like they always make their blades exactly 2 foot 7 and 1/4 inches long. Something that sticks out and makes people smile. And rather than generic evil describe it or how/why it came/why now. Did the dwarves have a massive feast (celebrating what?--the discovery of a new vein of arcanium? the prince's 3rd anniversary of accidentally kissing a cow? the elves moving deeper into the forests away from them?) and get so drunk they all slept? Or describe how the enemy found a weakness or found a good time/gathered their forces. Maybe the lust demon came through 20-30 years ago and there was a rise in able bodied undead; maybe they discovered some source of power--a fountain that flows of blood; a lost scepter/relic of power; a spoon of fertility; the discovery of a rage-powder mine that gave power or desire to (said evil forces). Or maybe they ran out of a soothing drug (recreationism relaxism tranquilion) or were tired of the undead who stuck to the old ways of summoning and sacrificial ceremonies rather than just taking/doing what they want. (Hope that's enough to get some creative ideas going)

*Edit* Just played a game where Thordal was the last to stay and I also found 2 robes. Thordal seems rather capable so guess it's just the people that try him.
Also after some waves (boss waves?) merchant doesn't appear or isn't pinged. Could you add that? Even if they don't have equipment like usual. Remember not having any potions for next wave when merchant didn't appear.

 

[MoCo]

Thanks for your feedback. Also, I'm gonna check the merchant.

Drop chances are the same for all characters and armors btw.

 

[Anachron]

Huh? I just saw my icon:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnanapoisonshock-106960/

You could make your credit list complete

 

[MoCo]

Sure, my fault, I've added you to the list.

 

[Argos]

Yey! No more Thorin and Durin, if you know what im tolkien about.

 

[K1LLTH3N00B]

A couple of extra classes would be nice. It gets old fast when it's the same 5 heroes every game.

 

[Callahan]

You didn't credit me while you use my Kaiser breath effect model.

 

[MoCo]

Really? Shame on me then and gonna add you of course

 

[MogulKahn]

Great map !

 

[James Raphael]

I've play your Map and it is very awesome. It is neat and cool... I just want to ask one question when will you gonna upload the newest version because it very amazing map XD

 

[MoCo]

Great to hear that you like it!

Actually, I'm currently working on a major update that will introduce some new cool things (i.e. ancient dwarven defense turrets, barricades, improved items, new hunter pet, etc.). I guess it mightl be ready at the end of next weekend. Stay tuned!

 

[James Raphael]

That is gonna be sooo AWESOME! can't wait for the newest version XD