10:57, 15th Mar 2014
Orcnet: damn I swear I made a filling criticism about this project some day ago, I might as well redo it all over again, for now its approved rating may vary.

 

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss ,

THANK YOU

 

Thank the gods

 

Woot! Thank you!

 

Man I'm getting my butt kicked on this map, can barely get past the first wave playing with my wife... although she's terrible, so may not be the best judge of difficulty.

 

So am I missing something here? How do I get gold to buy items?

 

There are 3 ways to get gold: monster drops, barrels and selling items you do not need. However, don't expect gettin' too much gold in the first place.

The game is not meant to be a peace of cake, still it should be absolutely beatable if you get used to the heroes, abilities, monsters and such. So best of luck!
BTW: If you want, you can share your playing experience in the project forum: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/dwarven-monster-slayers-709/.

EDIT: Based on what you've said, I'm currently thinking about increasing the barrel loot rate so destroying barrels is more rewarding. Point noticed for next update.

 

Congrats on the released Moco! Feedback later or tomorrow.

 

Great job! I have been waiting for this, expect a feedback here and at the thread later on or soon.

 

I vote for rejection! Pls. reduce the awesomeness ...

Wow gonna review this map soon! Good job on the release! HR!

 

Thanks guys! Let me know what you think!

 

Well after playing for a few hours, here is my feedback.

1. Gameplay wise, I have no complaints at all. The skills feel good, the characters are all useful. But I'm not a big fan of the mechanics behind the characters. This map lacks any sort of feeling towards building a character up. You have all the skills when you start the game, and you get no customization when you level up. All there is to do is try and get better items. With gold being so rare (Just as a test, on single player using godmode, I went from wave 1-3 with all 5 heroes fighting and by the end of wave 3, I had found 2 pieces of gold totaling I think 4 gold) it just feels too luck dependent. At least if I get gold per monster I kill, I know eventually I can afford to buy some items to help me along.

2. Characters:
I played a bit as each character, and enjoyed them all, but I really found out that this game is impossible if you don't have someone playing the healer. I won't complain too much about that, as you clearly state this game is about tactical teamwork... but I'm just personally not a fan of a map forcing you to have to play with a certain combination of characters.

3. I haven't gotten passed wave 3 playing without cheats, so the game is definitely difficult. But I was also trying to play it with my wife, who is fairly new to gaming and is pretty terrible. I hopefully can get my regularly WC3 Lan party group to try this out sometime this month.

4. Terrain: I didn't wander around the map too much, so I can't comment on it fully. The main combat area you start off in good for what it is, basically a tower-defense map with 5 dwarves instead of towers.

My overall judgement is I don't think this map is for me. I'm not saying it's bad, but I play maps for the character development, and this map doesn't offer that. If you're looking for a fairly difficult survival/defense map, this is definitely worth checking out, but plan on dying a lot. The custom monsters and skills are all very well done. I would love seeing you do a rpg map using a lot of the features in this game however!

 

Thanks for your feedback!

Well, yeah, this is not very much about character development nor is it a typical relaxed RPG. The focus is clearly on playing your chars right and strategically team up to survive as long as possible. In that way, I want this game to be similiar to Killing Floor, but with the dwarven RPG flavor.

As it regards your specific points:

1. Yeah, I've already adressed this in the 0.81 update I've just released. Now, barrels provide more gold so you can buy some equip in the lower waves already.

2.+3. I definitely want the map to be beatable with as much different hero combinations as possible. honestly, in my playtests with friends, we always had hunter, priest and engineer combo. But before I draw any conclusion here, I'd like to wait for some other peoples feedback on team setups. Chapter I really isn't that difficult if you know what to do. Did you play with 2 heroes or 3? Which combination did you actually play? Maybe, the problem wasn't the missing healers, but that dangerous monsters like mummies hadn't been taken care of fast enough? (the hunter works great here, maybe the slayer is a bit underpowered in v0.81 in comparison)

Edit: One more question - I hope you haven't played in singleplayer with all 5 heroes at the same time? Because this won't be a good idea since the game is more difficult the more heroes are playing and you just won't be able to efficiently handle all heroes at once, even if you're very good at micro management. For SP, I recommend to use 2-3 heroes.

Anyways, balancing all the stuff is a tough challenge and I'm happy for any reports on playing experience (please always include the hero setups).

 

1. My only concern with this is barrels don't respawn right? So now you're basically making it a mad dash for everyone to break barrels right away in order to get money and loot first.s

2. Like I mentioned, I was trying to play with my wife, so I wouldn't take my comments on difficulty too seriously. Playing solo, I was doing 2 character combos and was never able to get past wave 3. I tried a few different combos, but never was able to get just 2 people to gel. I know I was able to just set the hunter on auto pilot if the waves were coming out of the side, the eagle pet is able to shoot stuff through walls... that might be something you should look at fixing.

 

Don't worry about the barrels - all found gold and crystals are given to all playing heroes, no matter who loots them. Let's continue the other discussion in the project forum.

 

1st try - what the f*ck happened (hunter, priest, paladin)

2nd try - oh now I'm getting the hand of it! oh wait no, I got steamrolled again (paladin, priest)

3rd try - this thing needs difficulty settings or more documentation on how to play (warrior, priest)

edit: let me put the combinations before i forget them

The models are nice though!

 

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Hell_Master Map Name: Dwarven Monster Slayers Map Author: MoCo Originality Map is pretty much original. It has some RPG/Dungeon Crawl/Defense feeling in it and I salute you for making a map such as this with combined map types. Score: 84/100 Presentation Presentation is pretty much short but neat and leads to its Hosted Project Page which provides great amount of informations. Nothing much to say and nice job! Score: 79/100 Design The Minimap Image looks great and fitting while Loading Screen could have some more visuals in it except for the Game's Logo. I do think it would better if you will add a game scene in your map as a background image at the Loading Screen or depends on how you will do it. It could also have an introduction in it. Others looks pretty much fine and there is no problem in it of course. Score: 63/100 Terrain Terrain is quite great and is pretty much detailed for a map. Nothing much to say and it is pretty much great! Score: 90/100 Object Data Everything looks fine and well. Map/File Size looks reasonable for a map that is great and fun to play. Score: 69/100 Gameplay The game looks indeed fine though I would suggest you to let players choose their desired difficulty instead of scaling difficulty depending on number of players in-game and also even with a scaled difficulty, its quite hard. I would suggest is lessen the monster spawned at each Waves because its like Hardcore even at Wave 2 and 3 of Chapter 1 and also saying my ally is not use to the game yet. Also, it would be great if you will raise the chances of gold dropping at Barrels and also at monsters to make each of them worth fighting. Others looks great though it is just the difficulty that is greatly bothering me which for me is not quite newbie-friendly. Score: 61/100 The Loading Screen could still be improved by adding an image at it instead of just a logo which looks simple. Also, add some sort of an introduction in it or descriptions. It would be much better. The difficulty could be tone down or better yet let players choose the difficulty. Lessen the spawned monster because even at Wave 2,3 and so on, its quite hard to handle such massive amounts of monsters and Cave Trolls. Monsters chances of dropping golds should be raised so it will be worth fighting them instead of just for experience and winning a round. The game could be more friendly to starters and newcomers. Final Score: 74.333/100 4/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

terrain is nice.

 

Thanks for your review Hell_Master! However, I found some of your ratings a bit arbitrary, respectively, not very traceable. For example, Object Data, Score: 69/100 What do you mean exactly and how comes the rating? What should be changed to get a higher rating here? For each downrating, there should be a clear point so that one knows what is missing and what needs to be improved regarding that point.

I like the idea to add a little description to the loading screen though.

As it regards difficulty, it seems that some people complain about the game being too hard. However, I need to point that louj3580 beat the game after 2 days, and points that Chapter 2 and 3 might even be a bit too easy, see here: https://www.hiveworkshop.com/posts/2467221/

Therefore, I'm really not sure if it really is too hard, or weather some people expect too much on the first try. This isn't meant to be a piece of cake and some skill and experience are definitely required. Anyways, I recognize that difficulty options are necessary here, so I will add difficulty modes (EDIT: done!).
After all, which map version did you reviewed? The low amount of gold had been kind of an issue in 0.80, but there should be more than enough by now (also, see the linked report from louj3580, maybe it is even too much gold right now).