Death with Dignity

[~Void~]

I don't like it for the simple reason that I don't like seeing people die, I mean: sure he wanted to die because he was ill, but how does it affect the mood on the others who are there? Do they really want to see a man dying while they rock to the music?

Uh... yeah? It's heavy metal. -.-

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

MT is not supposed to be a necessary forum. It's an optional forum in case someone wants a serious to semi-serious audience for debating. Also, I don't think Mecheon doing anything about group applications for MT, so, now that I've quit being a leader (and apparently that kicks me out of the group altogether), the group seems to be in pretty much lockdown.

I think it's pointless to choose your time of death. Or anyone's, for that matter. You will never know when you might get to experience life again, so you might as well live every minute of it, no matter how hellish.

Of course, this is from the mouth of someone who has neither survived the Holocaust nor been forced on a slave ship, so I guess the jury's still out on the validity of that.

Oh, how March draws closer.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Anyways, I'd like to make the movement that I've probably overstepped my bounds. I am not a moderator, Brad is, so I will move it back to OT now. My apologies.

Funny that now that it's in Off-Topic, we need to get on-topic again...

Anyways, if I were just going to die, no matter what I did, I would rather die in a way of my choosing.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Anyways, if I were just going to die, no matter what I did, I would rather die in a way of my choosing.

But you are going to die no matter what you do.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

But you are going to die no matter what you do.

I mean if I had an absolute time-frame for when I was absolutely going to die, I would rather die in a way of my choosing slightly before then.

 

[TheDivineBoss]

I mean if I had an absolute time-frame for when I was absolutely going to die, I would rather die in a way of my choosing slightly before then.

Too bad Anakin thought the same and guess what happend? (rethorical)

 

[Elenai]

I'll die when I'm ready! *slaps the grim reaper*

Seriously though...

A) I'll either give up the will to live and die of grief (without suicide)

B) I'll die by a rather ironic even, or else die of some normal means all of a sudden and have no idea it was coming.

C) ...or I might....which doesn't phase me either way...probably just make the arrangements, write a quick will.

I don't think I could actually commit suicide, I don't have the courage, since I fear that should I commit suicide "what if" questions and foresight cross the mind.

Not that I've ever seriously contemplated it with intentions further than a "what if" scenario.

 

[Hakeem]

Someones beliefs are forced when governments make laws, does that mean we shouldn't have them?

Bingo.

People don't seem to believe in truth anymore.

I like to assume reality, and say so when people question it.

But what about thousands of people who went on the concert? Bought the tickets months ago? And this guy shows up and dyes? There will be teenagers for sure, not a realy nice scene at all.

If something like that happens, then the people must know it before they buy tickets, and they had better get a refund if the news is released after they buy their ticket, and the news changes their mind about attending.


I'm with MSBB. It takes a noob to suicide, even if you're suffering greatly. Despite the suffering you can still feel positive emotions.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

I'm with MSBB. It takes a noob to suicide, even if you're suffering greatly. Despite the suffering you can still feel positive emotions.

Its easy to say that when one hasn't felt the suffering that leads a person to contemplate suicide, but in truth the suffering is probably a lot worse than it looks from another perspective.

Positive emotions or not, its difficult to counter negative emotions and feelings and they do linger around in one's conscience for a long time and it takes a lot to become optimistic once again, if you've been through enough to even consider suicide.

But that aside, yes, I agree that commiting suicide is a very noobish act.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I imagine doing it to spite someone would be nooby except it would be effective.

 

[Lohengrin]

I'm all for death's release, especially when it comes to the terminally-ill. There are some pretty nasty diseases that fall into that category; severe forms of muscular dystrophy first come to mind. I imagine that the sensation of your muscles dwindling down to nothing would get a bit old after some time, eh?

As for dignity, there is rarely any such thing in death. In cases of a terminally-ill person, I can only assume that they have already gotten an appetizer of what is to come and are already in a state of considerable impairment and overall suffering.

Not to mention the fact that all of your bodily fluids are released upon death. Eww.

Even in general, I don't have strong feelings against suicide but I do believe that those without the power to commit suicide should gain the right.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

As for dignity, there is rarely any such thing in death. In cases of a terminally-ill person, I can only assume that they have already gotten an appetizer of what is to come and are already in a state of considerable impairment and overall suffering.

Agreed, death through terminal diseases isn't a very nice death.

Not to mention the fact that all of your bodily fluids are released upon death. Eww.

That's... not exactly something I wanted to know, thanks.

Even in general, I don't have strong feelings against suicide but I do believe that those without the power to commit suicide should gain the right.

It may be their choice, but I feel strongly against giving people the power to take their own lives. They still have a life to live, whether they like it or not.

 

[Gilles]

I'm all for death's release, especially when it comes to the terminally-ill. There are some pretty nasty diseases that fall into that category; severe forms of muscular dystrophy first come to mind. I imagine that the sensation of your muscles dwindling down to nothing would get a bit old after some time, eh?

What about mental pain, and depression? Physical pain isn't necessarily any worse. I don't see how one could accept Euthanasia for the terminally-ill without accepting suicide as everyone's right.

 

[Ash]

Because if you have AIDS, or any other terminal illness, you'll die a slow, painful and horrible death or both mind and matter. Conversly, if you don't have any illness and you want to die because your girlfriend just sacked you, you're just a faggot.

You can get over one, you can't get over the other; get out while you're still happy.

 

[Gilles]

Because if you have AIDS, or any other terminal illness, you'll die a slow, painful and horrible death or both mind and matter. Conversly, if you don't have any illness and you want to die because your girlfriend just sacked you, you're just a faggot.

You can get over one, you can't get over the other; get out while you're still happy.

So you're only allowed to kill yourself if you're going to die anyways?

 

[Ash]

That's the 'argument' in this thread; general euthanasia is a different thing altogether.

 

[Elenai]

die because your girlfriend just sacked you, you're just a faggot.

Have you ever been in love?

When you are suddenly cut off from something that you have wrapped your life around, something that you though with some glimmer of faith would be with you until you grew old, and something you had made great plans with...to suddenly abandon you without even a second glance. That kind of pain is rather grim, and "you can't just get a new one" when it comes to love. Love is something that has to be painstakingly grown from a tiny little seed of interest. You have to work for it, you have to spend time and effort, and sacrifice much for it. And should it turn out to be wasted effort, wasted time, and wasted emotion...well...often times all that happiness, turns all at once into soul crushing, brooding, and deadly grief, and often times one loses the will to live.

Someone you love isn't a toy, you can't just replace them, or "get a new one" when you lose them. You have to start all over again, from the very bottom, and sometimes you just don't have the energy to redo your life, and you feel like ending it.

The only time you can ever readily "get a new one" is if you most likely didn't 'love' the girl in the first place and all you saw was a 'pretty face, and some hot pussy'. Which is a very vile way to see a girl indeed.

---

Suicide is a two edged sword. It takes great bravery to terminate your own life. But it is also very cowardly, and sad, that someone could hit the bottom so hard, they don't want to exist, and any destiny they had is now gone, for something that time may some day heal.

Euthanasia of the terminally ill however, as long as the person is conscious enough to make the decision, and there is no hope. But don't pull a Terry and starve the person to death.

 

[mato2]

People rarely get to choose when they die, and if they do get to choose, then they should be free to die in any manner they wish to, it's their life after all.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Have you ever been in love?

When you are suddenly cut off from something that you have wrapped your life around, something that you though with some glimmer of faith would be with you until you grew old, and something you had made great plans with...to suddenly abandon you without even a second glance. That kind of pain is rather grim, and "you can't just get a new one" when it comes to love. Love is something that has to be painstakingly grown from a tiny little seed of interest. You have to work for it, you have to spend time and effort, and sacrifice much for it. And should it turn out to be wasted effort, wasted time, and wasted emotion...well...often times all that happiness, turns all at once into soul crushing, brooding, and deadly grief, and often times one loses the will to live.

Someone you love isn't a toy, you can't just replace them, or "get a new one" when you lose them. You have to start all over again, from the very bottom, and sometimes you just don't have the energy to redo your life, and you feel like ending it.

The only time you can ever readily "get a new one" is if you most likely didn't 'love' the girl in the first place and all you saw was a 'pretty face, and some hot pussy'. Which is a very vile way to see a girl indeed.

You'll get over it. It's hard. It hurts. But not really all that much. Being dumped isn't the be all and end all, get some back bone. You most definately can pull through it - it'll take time, and be hard, but that's life for you.

With a terminal illness, which is the subject, you can't - there isn't any hope, nothing to look forward to but pain, and probably crippling psychological issues brought on by real hopelessness, without even rationality to counter it.

Suicide is a two edged sword. It takes great bravery to terminate your own life. But it is also very cowardly, and sad, that someone could hit the bottom so hard, they don't want to exist, and any destiny they had is now gone, for something that time may some day heal.

Only cowardly if you have something you could be brave for; nothing cowardly in running from nothing but pain and REAL hopelessness (rather than any imagined/paranoia induced hopelessness).

 

[Elenai]

You'll get over it. It's hard. It hurts. But not really all that much. Being dumped isn't the be all and end all, get some back bone. You most definately can pull through it - it'll take time, and be hard, but that's life for you.

True, one will get over it with time. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem afterall. I was simply 'showing the other side' so to speak, in light of Ash's slightly insensitive post.

 

[Mor)L(unE]

that group is full of big heads and people whose ego is the same size as their waist--and that's huge.

Lucky me, my weight is only 55 kilos.. but if you think thats HUUUGE.. you might have anorexia.

Suicides is for morons, just because your in a depression doe'sn't mean your in mone for the rest of your life. besides that i would rather have a sucky life, then having no life at all.

 

[Captain Griffen]

Suicides is for morons, just because your in a depression doe'sn't mean your in mone for the rest of your life. besides that i would rather have a sucky life, then having no life at all.

You missed the point of being terminally ill...

 

[Ash]

Have you ever been in love?

When you are suddenly cut off from something that you have wrapped your life around, something that you though with some glimmer of faith would be with you until you grew old, and something you had made great plans with...to suddenly abandon you without even a second glance. That kind of pain is rather grim, and "you can't just get a new one" when it comes to love. Love is something that has to be painstakingly grown from a tiny little seed of interest. You have to work for it, you have to spend time and effort, and sacrifice much for it. And should it turn out to be wasted effort, wasted time, and wasted emotion...well...often times all that happiness, turns all at once into soul crushing, brooding, and deadly grief, and often times one loses the will to live.

Someone you love isn't a toy, you can't just replace them, or "get a new one" when you lose them. You have to start all over again, from the very bottom, and sometimes you just don't have the energy to redo your life, and you feel like ending it.

The only time you can ever readily "get a new one" is if you most likely didn't 'love' the girl in the first place and all you saw was a 'pretty face, and some hot pussy'. Which is a very vile way to see a girl indeed.

---

Suicide is a two edged sword. It takes great bravery to terminate your own life. But it is also very cowardly, and sad, that someone could hit the bottom so hard, they don't want to exist, and any destiny they had is now gone, for something that time may some day heal.

Euthanasia of the terminally ill however, as long as the person is conscious enough to make the decision, and there is no hope. But don't pull a Terry and starve the person to death.

In all honesty, no, I haven't been in love. Love isn't a 'first sight' ordeal, it's something you pick up after a certain--long, suffice to say--amount of time. Love is also something that can't be broken, sure I've been upset over girls before, but it certainly wasn't love.

However, on the actual note of the topic; one would certainly be wrong in saying that death is the cowards way out of a terminal illness.

The thing about these terminal illnesses is that they are--no if's or but's--the end. It takes a great deal of courage to let yourself go before you get to the mushie stage and lose everything that was good about you.

As for the comment about 'the bottom', I'd love to hit it; it's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything.

 

[Mor)L(unE]

You missed the point of being terminally ill...

True, but why die a way when everyone gets horrified by it?

That kind of pain is rather grim, and "you can't just get a new one" when it comes to love.

Depends.. you will not be able to get a new one thats the same, but with some effort you might very well find one thats suits you in some other way.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

However, on the actual note of the topic; one would certainly be wrong in saying that death is the cowards way out of a terminal illness.

So one is only allowed to end their life if they are going to die anyway?

The thing about these terminal illnesses is that they are--no if's or but's--the end. It takes a great deal of courage to let yourself go before you get to the mushie stage and lose everything that was good about you.

Agreed.

As for the comment about 'the bottom', I'd love to hit it; it's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything.

'The bottom' is not as glamorous as you'd think, which is why most people tend to stay away from it. Just because you hit the bottom doesn't mean you're free to do anything you'd want - you would have to build up your life once again and that's not a nice thing.

 

[Hakeem]

Suicide is the cowards way out of suffering terminal illness. Couldn't deal with the pain. Not tough enough.

Should we allow euthanasia of the "terminally" ill, I'm going to wait for the day someone forces their death the day before the cure is discovered. Heck, maybe on the same day. It will happen. Quitting is usually synonymous with fail.

 

[Ash]

'The bottom' is not as glamorous as you'd think, which is why most people tend to stay away from it. Just because you hit the bottom doesn't mean you're free to do anything you'd want - you would have to build up your life once again and that's not a nice thing.

We'll save my Philosophy for a different topic, shall we?

Suicide is the cowards way out of suffering terminal illness. Couldn't deal with the pain. Not tough enough.

I'm not sure if I should take this with a dose of sarcasm or what

 

[Lohengrin]

It may be their choice, but I feel strongly against giving people the power to take their own lives. They still have a life to live, whether they like it or not.

Well, there isn't much to say to this. I judge keeping someone alive against their will to be wrong and that is what my view is based on.

What about mental pain, and depression? Physical pain isn't necessarily any worse. I don't see how one could accept Euthanasia for the terminally-ill without accepting suicide as everyone's right.

Ah, but I have made it clear that I don't have any strong feelings against suicide in general. If I would have my way, everyone would indeed have the right to die.

The distinction between the mentally-ill and the terminally-ill is that the former have the power to commit suicide while SOME of the latter don't, their only option is what would be considered assisted suicide.

When you're dealing with the suicidal who actually have the power to commit the act, well, once their mind is made up the legality of the act is the farthest thing from their mind. Therefore, recognizing the right to die in their case is important in principle whereas it is a matter of freedom to the incapable and terminally-ill.

 

[Gilles]

That's the 'argument' in this thread; general euthanasia is a different thing altogether.

We'll aren't we all going to die someday? Isn't there going to be pain and suffering in life? Then by your logic I can kill myself whenever.

Ash, I think you're underestimating the pain of metal suffering. If you agree to people killing themselves when they have a terminal illness, you can't say other people have no right to kill themselves just because they aren't in physical pain.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Mental suffering can be doped with a little drug called Thorazine (rocks out to savatage)

I say it all depends. There's a great song called One by Metallica that I think everybody in this thread should listen to.

One - Metallica

 

[Gilles]

Mental suffering can be doped with a little drug called Thorazine (rocks out to savatage)

There's many drugs to counter physical pain too, that's a moot point.

 

[PurplePoot]

Okay, fine, what's wrong with general euthanasia then? It's their life.

--

Am I the only one who finds it funny that there is a city in Florida named St. Petersburg?

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

There's many drugs to counter physical pain too, that's a moot point.

Honestly it was just a joke and did you even listen to the song?

 

[Hakeem]

Okay, fine, what's wrong with general euthanasia then? It's their life.

Tell that to your parents.

 

[shadow3]

WARNING: OPEN MIND NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND!


As humans we are (most of us) born free and thus have the right to do what we like with our lives, whether it be living or dying.
If I feel that my life is not worth living, why should I live it out?

And the reason this won't come through well is because of how everything is relative. Depending on how your life has been, you have opinions and meanings, and often people will try to force other people to have the same opinions and meanings, ignoring the fact that they have their own ones.

If I feel your life is worth living, but you don't, why should you listen to me?
Everything is relative, and we (mostly) choose ourselves what lives we live, or do not live.


However, like the second poster in this topic stated, I wouldn't like it, because I don't like watching people die. I have to be all pretending I care, and it is supposedly "so sad" when someone dies. Sure, if it was someone I knew and cared for, but I don't care about random people that much.

 

[Gilles]

WARNING: OPEN MIND NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND!

Another person that seems to think I've (or others) have been blindly arguing. If you didn't think that, there was no reason to put this.

As humans we are (most of us) born free and thus have the right to do what we like with our lives, whether it be living or dying.
If I feel that my life is not worth living, why should I live it out?

What about the people you hurt by killing yourself? I can see the argument for euthanasia in the case of a terminal illness, but not for suicide.

And the reason this won't come through well is because of how everything is relative. Depending on how your life has been, you have opinions and meanings, and often people will try to force other people to have the same opinions and meanings, ignoring the fact that they have their own ones.

Again, there's this thing called truth. People today think your opinion is all that matters, well I have news, it's not always the case. You're favorite color is an opinion. Whether or not killing is wrong is not your opinion, it's truth. It's either truth that suicide is wrong, or it's truth that it's okay, there's no "opinion".

If I feel your life is worth living, but you don't, why should you listen to me?
Everything is relative, and we (mostly) choose ourselves what lives we live, or do not live.

That's pretty selfish, and do you think that your life is really worse than everyone else's? It probably isn't (the "you" doesn't refer to anyone specific).

However, like the second poster in this topic stated, I wouldn't like it, because I don't like watching people die. I have to be all pretending I care, and it is supposedly "so sad" when someone dies. Sure, if it was someone I knew and cared for, but I don't care about random people that much.

Agreed. I think it's sad when our community is in favor of public death. If the kid wanted to go to the show, but it mighto kill him, I might be for it. The fact that he wanted to die at the show is the problem.

 

[Ash]

Ash, I think you're underestimating the pain of metal suffering. If you agree to people killing themselves when they have a terminal illness, you can't say other people have no right to kill themselves just because they aren't in physical pain.

That's an empty point for the simple reason you can't overcome a terminal illness.

You all lose a girlfriend every now and that, there's no point topping yourself over it.

A terminal illness is both physical and mental, and it corrodes your intelligence. You can't even begin to comprehend how something like that would feel.

 

[Gilles]

That's an empty point for the simple reason you can't overcome a terminal illness.

You all lose a girlfriend every now and that, there's no point topping yourself over it.

A terminal illness is both physical and mental, and it corrodes your intelligence. You can't even begin to comprehend how something like that would feel.

You can't overcome the fact that you will someday die and suffering is a part of life. I understand that my logic is a bit over the top, but I just don't think you can accept euthanasia without accepting it in all cases.

I still say you're overestimating mental depression.

 

[Devine]

I'd ratther die in World War 3 >.>
It's better to burn up than to fade away I guess ...

 

[PurplePoot]

Tell that to your parents.

I have. They agree with me.

And even if they hadn't, it's my life, not my parents'.

What about the people you hurt by killing yourself? I can see the argument for euthanasia in the case of a terminal illness, but not for suicide.

Tough. It's sad but life goes on.

Again, there's this thing called truth. People today think your opinion is all that matters, well I have news, it's not always the case. You're favorite color is an opinion. Whether or not killing is wrong is not your opinion, it's truth. It's either truth that suicide is wrong, or it's truth that it's okay, there's no "opinion".

But neither of those examples have a good answer yet.

That's pretty selfish, and do you think that your life is really worse than everyone else's? It probably isn't (the "you" doesn't refer to anyone specific).

And if it's selfish? There's no law against selfishness.

 

[Captain Griffen]

I still say you're overestimating mental depression.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Again, there's this thing called truth. People today think your opinion is all that matters, well I have news, it's not always the case. You're favorite color is an opinion. Whether or not killing is wrong is not your opinion, it's truth. It's either truth that suicide is wrong, or it's truth that it's okay, there's no "opinion".

It's not truth, since right and wrong are opinions in themselves. There is no absolute morality - the best you can do is use a few low level assumptions and then build up from there, but those low level assumptions still require the belief that they are true - an opinion - and hence, everything built on them is also opinion, rather than facts that can be true or false.

Morality can be analysed for consistency, but not for truth.

That's pretty selfish, and do you think that your life is really worse than everyone else's? It probably isn't (the "you" doesn't refer to anyone specific).

If you should commit suicide if and only if your life is worse than everyone else's, and assuming no two people are at exactly the same level of quality, then everyone should commit suicide, by mathematical induction.

The merits of using relative quality are really dubious.

 

[Ash]

I actually don't believe you're comparing the suffering induced by a mental illness to that of mental depression.

Fair play depression's bad, but it's hardly anything in comparison to something that grinds away at everything you have until there's nothing left.

 

[Gilles]

It's not truth, since right and wrong are opinions in themselves. There is no absolute morality - the best you can do is use a few low level assumptions and then build up from there, but those low level assumptions still require the belief that they are true - an opinion - and hence, everything built on them is also opinion, rather than facts that can be true or false.

Morality can be analysed for consistency, but not for truth.

So you're a post-modernist eh? I shoulda quit discussing this a while ago I guess.

I guess this topic will change, you mind Ash?
If not...

Griffen, what about laws? What do you base law on?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Mental depression is usually worse than physical pain, because physical pain you can grind your teeth and bear through it. Mental depression is well... mental. Like the chemistry of your brain is physically different than if you weren't depressed.

 

[Elenai]

And with mental depression comes physical pain.

Stress headaches, loss of appetite/gain of appetite, weight gain/loss, your strength withers away, and on top of that all the bad effects of worry, and constant sadness such as immunity failure, body destruction from lack of proper nutrients, etc.

And that isn't even considering 'self mutilation'.

offtopic: Only the Sith deal in absolutes...And thus I am named Darth Lefein.

 

[Captain Griffen]

So you're a post-modernist eh? I shoulda quit discussing this a while ago I guess.

Post modernist? No, I'm just a philosopher.

Please define truth, and then we can discuss this, but my definition of truth requires that it is possible for something to, at least theoretically, be falsified. Moralities cannot be falsified except by other moralities, which would require them to true/false, which, as you can see, leads to entirely circular logic, giving me absolutely no reason to believe in truth of morality.

Griffen, what about laws? What do you base law on?

A mixture of pragmatism and morality built up from basic premises asserted by intuition and various reasoning methods to do with consistency and intuition. If you think you can do any better, then great, show it to the world, and I'll be happy to attend your lectures at Oxford. You'll be world famous!

 

[Elenai]

In order to define truth you must define right and wrong, and in order to define the standard of right and wrong you must define what is "evil" and "good", but what one must realize, is that "good and evil" are not polar opposites...

Good is but the 'natural order', unperverted, and unstained. Wrong is deviation from that natural order, "the way 'nature intended', or by extension how believers say "how God intended"

Right is a white cloth, and wrong is spreading mustard on it (as a simple way to put it)

The cloth is naturally white, and messing it up is perverting its purpose.

Now, the circular logic is broken into a nice line of definitions that need to be made first.

I will come back to try and help Gilles define truth to the best of my ability later, after I do a little research.

 

[Gilles]

Post modernist? No, I'm just a philosopher.

Please define truth, and then we can discuss this, but my definition of truth requires that it is possible for something to, at least theoretically, be falsified. Moralities cannot be falsified except by other moralities, which would require them to true/false, which, as you can see, leads to entirely circular logic, giving me absolutely no reason to believe in truth of morality.

Truth... well it's an actuality. Something that is absolute. I struggle to define it, I admit. I believe in natural law, which obviously needs truth.

A mixture of pragmatism and morality built up from basic premises asserted by intuition and various reasoning methods to do with consistency and intuition. If you think you can do any better, then great, show it to the world, and I'll be happy to attend your lectures at Oxford. You'll be world famous!

Yeah I don't follow you. I have to look up half those words, but I get your meaning... I think.

Laws are created according to right and wrong. Right and wrong are discerned with your conscience.

 

[Callahan]

You guys should* study General semantic

*:I just figured out I might be misunderstood.This is a probability 'should' not an advice 'should'.

 

[shadow3]

Another person that seems to think I've (or others) have been blindly arguing. If you didn't think that, there was no reason to put this.

I didn't read the entire topic, so I put the warning there as insurance.

What about the people you hurt by killing yourself? I can see the argument for euthanasia in the case of a terminal illness, but not for suicide.

Personally that's a good reason for not committing suicide, but I don't have a problem about it anyways. A person who wants to commit suicide can either simply not care, as it is not part of their own 'rules' for how they live.

Again, there's this thing called truth. People today think your opinion is all that matters, well I have news, it's not always the case. You're favorite color is an opinion. Whether or not killing is wrong is not your opinion, it's truth. It's either truth that suicide is wrong, or it's truth that it's okay, there's no "opinion".

The thing about truth is that it is easily 'gained' by an opinion.
If I say purple is the best color, that's an opinion, but then it's also true that purple is 'my' best color, if you see what I mean.
Whether killing is wrong is also not bound to any truth, it is only an opinion, set by individuals, and it just happens so that the 'most popular' opinion is, that it's wrong. This does not mean that it is true, it just means that our modern society does not approve of it.

That's pretty selfish, and do you think that your life is really worse than everyone else's? It probably isn't (the "you" doesn't refer to anyone specific).

Again, opinions. Whether my life is worse or better then someone elses can not be bound to any truth, it depends on the person and their experiences, meanings and opinions.


As a poster put a few posts up;
right and wrong are opinions in themselves
(Captain Griffen)