Dark Times & Good Times

[brad.dude03]

I agree entirely with the contents of HappyTauren's post. We've always had users who are new to Warcraft 3 modding, I was fairly new when I joined the Hive. But I learned. As did HappyTauren. When HappyTauren joined, he knew basically nothing about modding, and demanded that he learn it in as fast and easy a manner possible. He got flamed like crazy, and then, instead of sulking or leaving, he wised up and learned from it! He got better and better, gaining experience in all aspects of modding.

Look at him now. He went from being an absolute beginner with -10 rep to a pro. People can turn around.

But that isn't the case with these people. We just get noobs, who eithber expect to become pro overnight at every respective area of WC3 modding, expect to learn how to make any model they want with one tutorial, and expect everyone to do all of their requests lightning fast because they're making a huge map that will take down DotA.

That's not how life works. These people don't realize that it takes time and commitment to become good at things, especially the more intricate aspects of WC3 modding, such as modelling, texturing, and JASS (terraining is easier but still requires vision and commitment to make anything good).

These people expect everything on a golden pladder, fed to them from a silver spoon. We don't do that here, and that's why we have so many people with 10 posts or less. They come here, with a world of delusion in their head, post a storm, get a dose of reality, and then run off crying.

The determined ones are those that see the error of their ways. We've had Noob to Newb conversions before, people who have initially registered as a total noob, but have become newb users, and from there have become quite wise in many aspects.

People wonder why I have such a short temper with noobs. There are too many of them, and they are killing this website. I had a lot of fun once on this website, and is sad to watch the noobs slowly kill it.

And we're taking the absolute wrong approach. As harsh and mean as it sounds, these noobs have to get a taste of reality. If they can't deal with the fact that everything wont get handed to them here, that they can't get by being lazy, then they shouldn't be using this website. That's the fact of the matter. If they can cope with having to do things for themselves, well, welcome aboard, I sincerely hope that you find what you need here.

Instead of this approach, we are starting to bend to them, to cater to their needs. We are told to be friendly to them, to bow and curtesy to their every whim. If they decide to freak out at us because we're not being helpful enough, we're supposed to take it, redirect them to the site rules, and, failing all else, finally resort to punishment.

I see this whole thing as a big mess. Skip to the punishment, if they don't wise up later, see you out the door.

You'd be amazed, how many noobs, after I've given them neg rep, see the error of there ways and PM me, appologizing, admitting that they were wrong (This takes a shitload of balls folks) and hoping to start fresh on the right side of things.

It makes my day to see a user who works like that, a user who can swallow their pride and realize that they were in the wrong and should better themselves from it.

Sadly, more and more people resort to flaming, challenging my decisions, challenging the authority of the staff, insults, trolling, public degrading, and just general havoc. These are the people that can't deal with being wrong, and will fight against the Staff.

These people aren't what we want. I know that many of our users are dealing with their first Forum on the internet, but hell, would it kill them to read the rules when they join? They'd probably find out that they should use search first, fill out a request form, and that spamming emoticons is generally frowned upon by civilized netizens.

But they don't. And perhaps that's why we're at the point we are right now.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well I would cry,but your post is a reflection of reality.

From a cheater and no-good that I was,from the -8 neg rep that you gave me,from the ban that I had.I was determined to be back on Hive, and I promise that when school ends and I will have plenty of free time,I will become a golden member,JASSER ,2D artist 3D artist,animator,these are my goals.

You can think whatever you want about me,but I have a 1 year and some weeks period of being on Hive,and I was active all the time and as I said,I learned my lesson.And I promise.

 

[HappyTauren]

Well, I used to apologize to people alot, and don't lie about the situation when I was new. That is the KEY.

 

[The Last Istari]

One of the global mods is resigning? Which one?

Plus, who's the third one? The only two I know are Mecheon and VGsatomi.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Have I lied,at first in my 3rd day at Hive,I double posted 3 times in the same thread at the same period.

From the 10 rep that I had for voting and making others member vote,three mods neg repped me to -8.I learned then that double posting is a No No,then I got banned by brad again for spam,then I changed my attitude and writing.

Then I got Infractions for Cheating,I learned that IP sharing is the worsest Hive Infraction.

Anyway,then it was the ban period,it was 3 months absence,but I came back as NobodyHere(an account that I made,in order to reclaim my old account(this account)

In the end I received a new password and a reduction of infractions,I learned my lesson.

Thats my bad history here at Hive


EDIT *

Doctor Super Good is the third and isnt Shados the fourth?

 

[EricDaRed]

Newb question:

What is IP Sharing?

 

[NearbyHermit]

Eric,that isnt newb,dont get confused,you arent a 10 posts member with no avatar

IP sharing = the term IP is Internet Prottocol and its the number of connection alocated to your computer,if you make multiple accounts from the same computer ,they will all have the same IP,it means your IP has been shared with other persons.

And a connection from the same IP is ilegal,and here at hive it means that you could give rep to your accounts or support your accounts.

I hope you understand

 

[brad.dude03]

Actually, Shados si resigning as Global Mod. Dr Super Good is an Admin.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Ok brad I didnt knew,did we settled something this day?Did we learned something?

 

[Pyritie]

The determined ones are those that see the error of their ways. We've had Noob to Newb conversions before, people who have initially registered as a total noob, but have become newb users, and from there have become quite wise in many aspects.

 

[EricDaRed]

Yea, that makes perfect sense, I wasn't familiar with the term. Also, note that I said it was a 'newb' question, rather than a 'noob' question.

A newb, I am (50 posts, so yea).
A noob, I am not (I use proper grammar and actually search before I ask!).

On the conversation of pro vs noob, I totally agree that it is annoying to see questions posted that are easily searched and that flaming people who don't just hand you things is stupid. On the other hand, I think that the anti-noob sentiment is so strong that sometimes the experienced users come down too hard on people who are being 'newbs' rather than 'noobs'.

For example, in one forum a person asked a question, got an answer to his question, but then replied to the answer asking, essentially, the same question again (he clearly misunderstood the answer, or did not understand the jargon used in the answer). The poster of the answer then said something to the effect of 'DO YOU HAVE BRAINS!?'.

So, yes, noobs are a destructive force. This destructive force, however, is only enhanced when experienced people are too quick to blast newer users. Blast people for unacceptable behavior, don't blast them for failing to understand something.

 

[Luthion]

The only way to fix situation is to punish all idiots. Seriously. People need to learn how the internet works. You don't DEMAND. You search for what you need, and after a really long search, ask a question. I hate how people enter the chat, ask a stupid question and then go "OMFG U IGNORING ME1!/!!!". I don't get how the one feels ignored when he/she IS IGNORANT. This was a word play, but seriously, there is common sense behind it. Then, after that, people with at least some bits of experience DO NOT worship naruto maps. I mean, it is not like naruto is awesome or something. I've seen few episodes of it and took brain damage. It is even worse than DBZ. In past, people were making DBZ maps, now they make naruto maps. I sincirelly hope that some really GOOD kickass anime will come out (the chances for that are probably 0%) so it would kill those two. I am just sick and tired of it. And stupid questions... Today some guy came to chat and spammed it with "HWO DI I GETZ HERO LVL 2 BEE MOAR DAN 10?!?!?!?". And it is on the TOP TEN questions here. Just search for it, you will get hundreds of results. As for moderators disagreeing with administrators, the key lies in admins' activity (2 of them are active), and the fact that Ralle barely knows what is going out there at forums. He can't be sure of people ever, since he does loads of scripting for the site, and samuraid also seems to be doing that.

Other than that, Wc3 is getting old, and old moderators simply do not mod it any longer. This is why they are particularily sick of noob questions: they are sick of wc3.

And yes, I am sentimental about the old THW. Heck, back in time, all members knew each other, were helping others learn, I had half the hive on msn. Today the site is full of randoms, and even more, idiots who want to be spoon fed. I just hate when people say "YOU WR A NOOB ONCE LOLOL!!11111!!". That is not right. I was a NEWB, not a NOOB. I was new to all the shit, and guess what, I figured almost everything MYSELF. As brad can tell you, I was totally newb and lost back then. Then I learned loads of stuff, I was probably one of the 1st persons on THW to know just ALL aspects of wc3 modding and do them well. Then I started helping people on THW, even brad, who used to teach me (pupil pwnt master anyone? xD).
That was my ten cents... go read that large block of text


And NearbyHermit and the others noob who critique brad, you have right to STFU, as you know nothing of the (g)old THW, and what was it like. Brad is not a person he used to be, I swear to god he isn't. We need more people like Wolverabid (insanely professional) and TheDarkGigantosaur (insanely mature).

quoted for truth(one of the many true posts in this thread)

Read the rules --->Search--->Search again--->Do Advanced Search--->Post something not related to naruto models or spelpaxDivides in three options)
--->Noob Question---> You didn't get answered, don't flame, be polite or ask again what you did understood with more detailed info.
--->You got answered--->Umm you got answered so.
--->ResourceDivides in two options)
--->Useless--->
--->Useful--->Get thanked and be happy to have been helpful. (Posting a useful resource is probably the best thing you can do)
Anyways Hail Hive!!!!

 

[Volvox]

The flood of noobs is indeed a serious problem, as it seems... Who am i to judge them, i wonder sometimes, but i don't consider myself a noob(excuse my modesty). I've been very active in the help forum, answering people's questions or at least trying to, but in the last 2 months, questions became impossible to understand, grammar became eyepoking, and requests became irrational. Dough i joined 5 months ago, i am a bit sentimental about the 'new old' days, cause i do not know of the better ones.

 

[Denu]

Wow I am out of touch. I only thought it was a couple people leaving. Brad spells out doom. How depressing

Well I started out at wc3s which was at the time nothing compared to what the hive is now even though the hive is declining somewhat. Wc3s was dieing. The Hive seems pretty much alive to me.

 

[brad.dude03]

The Hive is very much alive and it will remain so long into the forseeable future, I'm just pointing out that we do have some flaws.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Sc2 might actually "revive" the hive.

 

[varsaigen]

I don't see how you have any right to be sentimental when you joined in January. I've been at the Hive for 2 and a bit years. I have every right to be sentimental because the Hive is a totally different place now than it was when I joined.

Not to be mean or anything, but I have been very active and appreciate how nice an atmosphere the hive has. Other modding sites seem very hostile. That's gives no reason to complain.

Sc2 might actually "revive" the hive.

Also, I have to agree with Will, with Starcraft 2 coming out soon (I don't know the date, if any) The Hive will be booming with new models and ideas, not to mention maps. That will be pretty exciting when that time comes.

 

[Hakeem]

The Hive is alive, and it will stay for a long while yet. The quality of it is another matter.

The key to the site is the moderation. The administrators and moderators administer and moderate the site and it's users. Without them, the maintenance stops, and things fall into disrepair. Spam goes undeleted, double posts go unmerged, reports go unanswered, multiaccounting goes unstopped, and trolls wreak havoc on the citizens, leaving giant firestorms of chaos in their wake. (Literally. )

The only thing that can make things worse than that, is when the wrong people become moderators, and worse, administrators.

You've got ~70 years to take the test of life, take time to choose.

 

[Arvedui]

HappyTauren and Brad and Hakeem are honestly the only ones speaking the truth right now.
The new people need to be taught to search first and then keep searching and then possibly if theres no other option ask.. in a sensible form.
and all the narutards out there who don't know how to read stickies need to be banned.. or at least -repped.
I joined in October (2007) and I honestly didn't post for 3-4 months because I was reading and trying to learn everything I could from everyone else's posts.

Then I got serious about making my map and up to this point I've done everything without asking for help except for 2 things.

and the Hive isn't going to die just because a couple of Mods have left.. people come and go, that's life, get over it.

SC2 is probably going to be a major factor for life here too.. at least for a little while the majority of people will leave wc3 for sc2 and the model makers and map makers and such will be able to work on new and completely different projects (hopefully no dota..)

... that's my 2 cents..

 

[Gilles]

I sure wish I had come along to this site sooner. Well in full activity that is. You can see by my join date, that I have been registered almost as long as brad and others, but I didn't start my activity until summer of 2007 (asked a few questions a long time ago, and dl stuff). I do remember the old wc3sear.ch. It did seem to be full of more talented users. I found it had more people (Mods and users) that actually modded a lot. I remember some amazing skins and models. From what I can see the quality of our members has declined. We don't seem to have many that actually make quality. Not to offend newer users ( and myself somewhat). I think it's just the fact that the ratio of older members to newer has grown very small. I don't even think I should be a Moderator right now (although I think and hope I do a good job), and as for others... well...

I haven't even been here a year and I feel like a pretty old member, which is not a great thing. The best we can hope for is that our newer members (including me) can fill the positions of the older ones. Hopefully enough will stay so that when Sc2 comes around more members will join and we'll have enough veterans to handle them.

 

[varsaigen]

when starcraft 2 comes, im sure some will be on both. I for one will play starcraft 2 for several monthes but will still be active here. I am probably too active (if that's even possible) as I come here practically every day. Sure I have a life, but I like to get a break from life. And like others have said, this is not the end of Hive, or life. Yes the quality has degraded but maybe sometime soon, it will pick up again.

 

[HINDYhat]

Listen, here are some fundamental things that everyone has to understand.

1. Newbs are NOT noobs. Noobs are the retards who don't follow the rules and run away crying after they get a taste or reality, as brad said. Newbs, on the other hand, are the generic beginners. I have nothing against newbs, in fact, I like newbs who are willing to learn. I've witnessed a few Noob->Great conversions, namely GhostWolf and Need_O2 in the scripting domain.
   
2. Hive is NOT dieing, as in it will fall inactive and implode. It is dieing in the sense that quality members are being replaced by ignorant noobs, who have already stabbed this thread in the face. Hive will not 'resurrect' with SC2, no. There will just be an even larger influx of noobtards, and again, nothing will be done to fix it. This is not daycare, for god's sake. Considering most members are around 13 to 17 years old, I'm sure if they just almost try, they can be normal people.
   
3. The problem is NOT the moderation. The problem is the map approval policy, which basically is "APPROVE IF ENGLISH". See, noobs come along with their shitty maps, submit to our resource section, moderators approve, noobs get happy, noobs spam forums, staff punishes, noobs cry about staff and become general pains in the ass. This is something that moderators can't fix, moreso an administration issue (which was one of the reasons other and I left).

Now someone is probably going to reply to this saying "o luk i wuz nob unce n i dint post shity mapz liek lul nauw i m pro nd hail hive lulul /doublepost :infernal_smiley_spam:". Now, one of the major representations of the 'noob' is one who simply can't write (or spellcheck, if it's a foreign problem). So if you reply that, here's my answer:
TYPE IT OUT IN ENGLISH, NOOB

 

[Ardnived]

All in Reply to HINDYhat

I fail to see the problem with accepting sub par maps, I was under the impression that the approoval was just to insure it didn't like contain viruses or crash your computer.

Although more strict approoval might be a good thibng you have to consider the cons too, it would be quite discouraging to new members who arent as good... and then I'm sure there are other issues I'm not seeing, it would also take moderators lot more time.

All I'm saying is if anything is changed make sure you think carefully about it.

 

[HINDYhat]

Accepting sub-par maps means more noobtards come here, which is NOT a good thing.

Accepting good quality maps means people have to work for their approval. It also means that, with time, less noobs will submit their shitty incomplete maps, which means that our resource section will be more complete and awesome. Just look at wc3campaigns: they don't like bad resources. Now look at their resources submitted per day (something like 0.2) and our resources submitted per day (probably around 30).

It wouldn't be discouraging to new members... see you're getting it all wrong. More rejections == more reworks == more quality == less work for the staff distributed on a long basis. Basically, it's easy to see that a map is shitty very quickly when playing, but when you get to a point where a great map finally is submitted, yes it takes time to approve and judge, but that's simply natural.

One of the suggestions was to have two sections : Good maps and Other maps. Obviously, all retarded maps would be saved in Other maps. Now, if you're the least bit sane, you'll notice that this is a frickin' idiotic idea.

 

[varsaigen]

Hindyhat, those are some very good points that need to be focused on. I applaud you. Many people have different opinions about whether the hive is dieing and in truth, you are right, it isn't dieing at all. Many maps need to be top quality or nearby and many maps are just copies with maybe a small trigger added or a new model. As for the models and skin sections, not much is being uploaded. And the ones that are being uploaded aren't all as good as they could get.

Also, I think this thread is starting to become a spam and repeat thread.

 

[donut3.5]

HINDY does make a good point: Accepting low quality maps doesn't filter out newbs, only noobs who refuse to deal with their mistakes. Why should we waste time on work they aren't even willing to put their own time into?
--donut3.5--

 

[Belgarath]

Those were exactly my thoughts, I thought they had to be:
working, and all the requirements now
AND fun

 

[varsaigen]

Those were exactly my thoughts, I thought they had to be:
working, and all the requirements now
AND fun

Yeah. That's true. He does give some great wisdom in the problems of the site topic. lol

Off topic: I just finished reading his post when you posted this. lol

 

[Ardnived]

@ HINDYhat and Donut 3.5

yes when you put it aht way it does sound like a good idea, someone hould probably bring it up with Ralle or someone else of authority, I doubt he has time to read every reply in this thread

 

[Gilles]

I fully agree with HINDY on the maps, but I don't think that's why we have so many "noobs". I think it was brad who said quality members got bored and left. Without them the ratio of good members and noobs got worse. New staff was hired that may not have been around long enough/mature enough, and things went down hill. Even within the past year the chat room has degraded so much.

 

[Ardnived]

That seems to be a common pattern among online communities:
They are founded with great members, soon most of those members leave, but they don't leave behind any experienced members to succeed them. It saddens me to realise that this happens to more than just a few communities

 

[varsaigen]

true. It seems to be an epidemic that causes sites to fail. Some sites recover and return to the Golden Age. it would be nice for this site to have it's Renaissance. Thus we would have a growth a new and promising members and the site would continue to grow. Sigh, times are dark in the world, and not just the physical world, but the digital world as well.

 

[Mr. Bob]

Please people, stop it. This site has thousands of members. So maybe some of them are not very good with WC3. The whole point is for us to teach them. This makes me sick that people think the Hive is going through "Dark Times".

 

[DoOs_101]

"Dark Times" is created by the mind. When I ask you why is that woman so beautiful, the answer is not because she is genetically beautiful, it is because your mind creates a thought process of beauty.

The only reason why this website is going down is because many people think its going to go down. The only reason why this website is going up is because many people think its going to go up. Make sense

People have been leaving the hiveworkshop probably because when they realize their 24 hours of work not being appreciated, they figure out that this place is useless. However if the members of the Hive can become more appreciative with people's work, then maybe they will come back or more people like them will show up. ~tips for success, show gratitude.

 

[donut3.5]

Good God, you make this sound like the Hive is a way of life.. It is far from that serious, and if the Hive goes down, no we will not all die contrary to popular belief. Granted, it is very unlikely it will go down, as Ralle knows what he is doing. Panicking for an online community and trying to bind us together by some "Hive-based" faith doesn't help anyone or anything.
If you really want to help, produce more quality stuff. Help out more newbies. That's about the only reason a Resource and Modding community has to offer, not some weird "beauty" of some html and php and vb and whatever. Hope has nothing to do with it. It's all about decent resources and decent members.
--donut3.5--

 

[redmarine]

Hello everyone!
During the recent time, moderators and users have left The Hive Workshop.
Some wonder what is going to happen and fear that Hive will be shut down.
It has been a dark time with moderators leaving while we needed them the most. Especially since Tim (Wolverabid) has been having lots of trouble. He is having a very hard time at the moment and cannot visit Hive. I would like you all to think positive thoughts and hope the best for him. He has not forgotten us.
But even in the darkest times, good things happen. New moderators are on their way into the Hive, helping us rebuild our foundations and defenses while we gather and sort resources.
The Hive will never fail.

As usually I have lots of projects to work on. I am going to port the spells section as I did with the other sections. Later on I will probably make a new pastebin (the current one is pretty bad and simple), then I will maybe make a new chatroom with more features. So as you can see. Nothing has changed much on my end and mood on keeping hive alive !

Hail The Hive!

Ralle, I believe a lot of people have left because wc3 is old. We'll just have to keep the Hive alive till StarCraft II's Scum Editor gets released.
And Is there anything us members can do to help?

 

[Belgarath]

Good God, you make this sound like the Hive is a way of life.. It is far from that serious, and if the Hive goes down, no we will not all die contrary to popular belief. Granted, it is very unlikely it will go down, as Ralle knows what he is doing. Panicking for an online community and trying to bind us together by some "Hive-based" faith doesn't help anyone or anything.
If you really want to help, produce more quality stuff. Help out more newbies. That's about the only reason a Resource and Modding community has to offer, not some weird "beauty" of some html and php and vb and whatever. Hope has nothing to do with it. It's all about decent resources and decent members.
--donut3.5--

QFT. That says everything. The poem creation isn't going to help.
There's a fitting quote from Lost, except you have to 'hear' it to understand its irony.

'Well, Steak puff, you sure know how to butter a man up...'

And yes, I know I'm way too obsessed with Lost. But I like who I am.

 

[NearbyHermit]

The Wow ,Diablo and SC2 section is coming

 

[DoOs_101]

Good God, you make this sound like the Hive is a way of life.. It is far from that serious, and if the Hive goes down, no we will not all die contrary to popular belief. Granted, it is very unlikely it will go down, as Ralle knows what he is doing. Panicking for an online community and trying to bind us together by some "Hive-based" faith doesn't help anyone or anything.
If you really want to help, produce more quality stuff. Help out more newbies. That's about the only reason a Resource and Modding community has to offer, not some weird "beauty" of some html and php and vb and whatever. Hope has nothing to do with it. It's all about decent resources and decent members.
--donut3.5--

Its probably why some moderators leave this area because of encountering people like, ehmm... Basically I give Hive a good advice, good wisdom, good hope and the mod just throws it at my face like that... How shameful, no gratitude for someone who is giving you an advice.

Here is how I connect mine to Ralle.

Hello everyone!
During the recent time, moderators and users have left The Hive Workshop.
Some wonder what is going to happen and fear that Hive will be shut down.
It has been a dark time with moderators leaving while we needed them the most. Especially since Tim (Wolverabid) has been having lots of trouble. He is having a very hard time at the moment and cannot visit Hive. I would like you all to think positive thoughts and hope the best for him. He has not forgotten us.

Think positive, hope for the best, and show gratitude... how simple is that ?

 

[Fulla]

So looks like the main solution, is simply more mods then

 

[brad.dude03]

Hopefully, when SC2 comes out we can pull in skilled people with talent in a game that they're interested in. Everyone is either disenchanted with WC3, or being overrun by noobs and sick of it.

 

[communist_orc]

I feel guilty... all this time iv taken the moderators and heros of the hive for granted! Im going to help where i can, rate stuff so the moderators have less to do and give feedback to all those who have helped me learn and have fun for nearly 1 year!!!!
If the hive dies a large part of the Wc3 community will be lost 4ever...

Viva la Hive !

 

[Dumblor]

An invitation system (when you must get an invite to register ) could be a good idea , it would filter "the noobs" but may close the way for promising "newbs'' , otherwise , you just must take care of "the noobs". Baning isn't ethical , giving -rep doesn't do any better. The hordes of noobs are inevidable (if I spelt right ) and it will allways be a problem for all communities , especially for those like The Hive.

I remember , when I joined , the Help section was full of mods , who were happy to help (correct me please ?) , but now , it seems they're lazy (correct me ?) IMO. And I really understand why.

 

[Pyritie]

Look at wc3c. The reason they hardly get any noobs is because of their attitude towards them.

If you make new people feel intimidated to post, like on wc3c, then you'll keep the newbs but hopefully lose (most of) the n00bs.

That's the reason why wc3c gets so few map submissions: people are afraid to post their maps so that they don't get shot down. This will encourage people to work on their maps so they're of good quality before even submitting.

 

[Dumblor]

Look at wc3c. The reason they hardly get any noobs is because of their attitude towards them.

If you make new people feel intimidated to post, like on wc3c, then you'll keep the newbs but hopefully lose (most of) the n00bs.

That's the reason why wc3c gets so few map submissions: people are afraid to post their maps so that they don't get shot down. This will encourage people to work on their maps so they're of good quality before even submitting.

And there wouldn't be any copies/remakes of other maps. Good idea.

 

[Jaakko]

Personally I don't give a shit about the site,and won't care that much if it is closed

I would, but I don't care if some people leave and some come.

I find it strange how a couple of mods leaving is called dieing.

Me too. And yeah once Starcraft 2 comes out a lot more people might join this site.

 

[Fulla]

Look at wc3c. The reason they hardly get any noobs is because of their attitude towards them.

If you make new people feel intimidated to post, like on wc3c, then you'll keep the newbs but hopefully lose (most of) the n00bs.

That's the reason why wc3c gets so few map submissions: people are afraid to post their maps so that they don't get shot down. This will encourage people to work on their maps so they're of good quality before even submitting.

hmm. I actually think thats a Bad aspect of wc3camp.

 

[Dumblor]

hmm. I actually think thats a Bad aspect of wc3camp.

Well , it needs order . It has it's pros and cons.

 

[Jaakko]

I don't like wc3campaigns since most of them there think they are better than others. For example I was asking for voice actors there for my old cinematic and only thing I got is that the moderator says read the rules of the forum or I have to remove the thread. I read the rules and said I have no idea what he is talking about and he did not even reply. And I have nothing agains noobs and newbs unless I'm playing a DotA game with them. Well noobs could be irritating to moderators but I don't have to deal with them so it is not my problem. For example if the map section was filled with all kind of noob maps who would want to spend all free time approving maps, not me at least.

 

[HeretoDLstuff]

Remember the thread is about the hive not wc3c...I was allmost gonna post about it too, But I don't want to drag this anymore offtopic..

>>I find it strange how a couple of mods leaving is called dieing.
>>>Me too.
>>>>Granted, it is very unlikely it will go down
>>>>>Ect...

I agree.
Everything has its good and bad times. The hive is at a bad time, but its not dead\dying, IMO.

Worst comes to worst, they could just remove chat\forums and just have it a reasorse dump, besides news and moderator forums and admin contact.. There would probably be less trouble that way..