Complete and Utter Failure

[Pyramidhe@d]

the only reason we are "running out" of energy is because of the politicians
maybe we should burn them for energy....

 

[BlargHonk]

Hey rockets don't have to use conventional propellants, earlier I linked to the nuclear rocket.

Developed and tested in the 60's, project was ended before a flight.

 

[Pyritie]

Hey rockets don't have to use conventional propellants, earlier I linked to the nuclear rocket.

Developed and tested in the 60's, project was ended before a flight.

That pusher plate thing?

 

[Steel_Stallion]

i guess our only hope is to reduce, reuse and recycle



LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[BlargHonk]

That pusher plate thing?

No, the one where the Liquid Nitrogen is superheated by the reactor core and pushed out the back.

It's like super steam power.

Also, nice Oreo, good to see you eating those instead of burning oil.

 

[PurplePoot]

That's an ion engine, and they are generally built with much heavier elements such as Xenon.

Also, Nitrogen is a gas or a plasma if it's superheated, not a liquid. Especially if it's ionized.

 

[BlargHonk]

No, an Ion Engine uses an electrical field to push out the back.

This uses the expansion of Liquid Nitrogen to Gas (really quickly I might add) when exposed to a reactor core or "Liquid Hot Mag-ma"

 

[HFR]

Let's just all kill each other and the survivors take care of the planet...
Just kidding, we fly to mars, kill the zergs and build a colony there, done.

 

[BlargHonk]

Mars has no zergs......

 

[Pyramidhe@d]

none that we know of....

 

[TheDivineBoss]

While you're on the job, could you check the dark side of the moon please? I heard there are spacenazi's there.

 

[Pyritie]

No, the one where the Liquid Nitrogen is superheated by the reactor core and pushed out the back.

It's like super steam power.

Oh. I thought you were referring to this.

 

[BlargHonk]

This

 

[Hakeem]

Do you have any idea of the magnitude of the project it is to change the energy source of the whole world? It's not something we can just "do." Construction takes time, and more construction takes more time. More time means more energy used on other things. Energy used on other things means less energy available to convert the energy source. Less energy available means a lower percent of completion. A lower percent of completion paired with oil depletion means an energy shortage. An energy shortage means lots of stuff, among them is starving to death.

Maybe not now, maybe not next year, maybe not in five years, but it looks like it's going to be a near certainty in most of our lifetimes. Look up the 1973 Oil Embargo. Imagine that, only permanent. If you happen to be American, you should realize that our time has already come. Americans used to be passionate about becoming energy independent. Enough that it elected presidents. People forgot because we were able to import enough oil afterwards. One president put up solar panels on the white house and another took them down.

Everything we are doing now is not nearly enough.

 

[Draknyte1]

we can make slave push a a thingo round in circles like donkeys do and that could be hooked up to an electro magnet.... then we can use that small amount of electricity to power another form of energy creation......

Nuclear power is like oil..... it relies on Uranium.... wat we going to do wen that runs out?

And at the current rate alot of countries are making nuclear weapons. so that depletes our source of uranium slowly but steadily.

 

[Pyramidhe@d]

we have loads of uranium stash. we should use it before the world goes ass up completly from global warming

 

[BlargHonk]

Uranium is actually very plentiful compared to other materials

Uranium's average concentration in the Earth's crust is (depending on the reference) 2 to 4 parts per million, or about 40 times as abundant as silver. The Earth's crust from the surface to 25 km (15 mi) down is calculated to contain 10^17 kg (2 × 10^17 lb) of uranium while the oceans may contain 10^13 kg (2 × 10^13 lb). The concentration of uranium in soil ranges from 0.7 to 11 parts per million (up to 15 parts per million in farmland soil due to use of phosphate fertilizers), and its concentration in sea water is 3 parts per billion.

The main use of uranium in the civilian sector is to fuel commercial nuclear power plants; by the time it is completely fissioned, one kilogram of uranium-235 can theoretically produce about 20 trillion joules of energy (2 × 1013 joules); as much energy as 1500 tonnes of coal. Commercial nuclear power plants use fuel that is typically enriched to around 3% uranium-235. The CANDU reactor is the only commercial reactor capable of using unenriched uranium fuel. Fuel used for United States Navy reactors is typically highly enriched in uranium-235 (the exact values are classified). In a breeder reactor, uranium-238 can also be converted into plutonium through the following reaction: 238U (n, gamma) → 239U -(beta) → 239Np -(beta) → 239Pu.

And for Plutonium:

The isotope plutonium-238 (Pu-238) has a half-life of 87.5 years. It emits a large amount of thermal energy with low levels of both gamma rays/particles and spontaneous neutron rays/particles. Being an alpha emitter, it combines high energy radiation with low penetration and thereby requires minimal shielding. A sheet of paper can be used to shield against the alpha particles emitted by Pu-238 while one kilogram of the isotope can generate 22 million kilowatt-hours of heat energy.

These characteristics make it well-suited for electrical power generation for devices which must function without direct maintenance for timescales approximating a human lifetime. It is therefore used in radioisotope thermoelectric generators and radioisotope heater units such as those in the Cassini, Voyager and New Horizons space probes. Earlier versions of the same technology powered the ALSEP and EASEP systems including seismic experiments on the Apollo 14 Moon mission.

 

[PurplePoot]

You didn't check those isotopes particularly well, did you?

And yes, I am a strong advocate of nuclear power.

 

[~Void~]

Nuclear power is the way to go, the reactor employees need to stop slacking, though

 

[BlargHonk]

You didn't check those isotopes particularly well, did you?

wut?

 

[PurplePoot]

You talk about converting U-238 to Pu-239 and then talk about using Pu-238.

Also, you might want to write 10[sup]13[/sup] -> 10¹³ so that it doesn't look like 1013.

 

[Draknyte1]

i still llike biomass

 

[Hakeem]

Nuclear.

Not enough fast enough.

Biomass.

Not enough fast enough.

 

[Vizel]

Not enough fast enough.

Nothing will be enough fast enough unless it's a completely global effort, which as stated in the Original Post, is beyond reasonably possible.

And even if it did happen, it still probably wouldn't be enough fast enough, so once it's all said and done: We're screwed.

My advice would be to prepare for the collapse of civilization and prepare to revert back to animal instincts.

Prepare for Collapse:
llllllllllllllllllll 20% Complete

Reverting to Instincts:
llllllllllllllllllll 0% Complete

Better watch out, I have a head start!

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Anarchyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

would not recomend anarchy.... although.... i could get used to surrealism


SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

 

[Masiah]

PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

would not recomend anarchy.... although.... i could get used to surrealism


SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

I suppose you don't really understand anarchy...

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

I suppose you don't really understand anarchy...

if the world some how changed all its governments to an anarchy, we would become a Utopian race. Like come on, no governing body,but not everyone has enough common sense so that's y we cannot have an anarchistic "government" although it wouldn't be a government then.

But i don't think you see the joke about anarchy. Because there are more idiots out there then people with the right rational minds, if this where a governing body by the people common sense we would be all fucked four sides from Thursday.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

glorifying anarchy has become a fad here. It won't work, it doesn't work, it's not going to happen.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

glorifying anarchy has become a fad here. It won't work, it doesn't work, it's not going to happen.

anarchy = uptopia

utopia = never

 

[Pins]

Is it only supposed to "work" ?

 

[Masiah]

anarchy = uptopia

utopia = never

Communism is also an utopic movement... and hey, it worked for 70 years in Russia!

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Communism is also an utopic movement... and hey, it worked for 70 years in Russia!

yea not really worked <-past not present and worked exactly for who hmm? cause a good amount of ppl were not happi . Bro humans are the worst creation ever. We kill EACH OTHER. Like viruses don't do that. So wtf man. Were going to kill each other in the end just watch.

 

[Airandius]

Why should we worry about oil, we should worry about global warming and aliens.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Why should we worry about oil, we should worry about global warming and aliens.

wrong we should worry about our neighbors. Were a savage race who's animal instinct will conquer over common reasoning

 

[Vizel]

Why should we worry about oil, we should worry about global warming and aliens.

We need to worry about oil because:

Were a savage race who's animal instinct will conquer over common reasoning

As soon as the first runs out, the second will begin to happen.

 

[Airandius]

Oil isn't important lol.
Out technology is far more advanced then most people think. It's just that the companies selling oil prevent these technologies to be used.

There are actually cars that will run on anything, including dishwater. But electric cars are a better solution.
So there is no real need for concern, once oil runs out, those companies can no longer hold back these new technologies.

It's just because they can make profit they keep it, once it does not make profit they discard it and move on to the next best thing.

 

[Vizel]

You know we actually have hovercars already? We've had them for years.

We have the technology. We can rebuild this world.

 

[Airandius]

You know we actually have hovercars already? We've had them for years.

We have the technology. We can rebuild this world.

NO, they are working on hovercars and have some 'beta' models around.
And they can only hover above ground for a few inches.

ANYWAY, did you knew we have robotic libs? They just look like crap.
(Real arms made out of metal and shit that can be used when attached properly to a body as if it was a normal arm.

We should all stop buying oil so we can have this awesome stuff.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

NO, they are working on hovercars and have some 'beta' models around.
And they can only hover above ground for a few inches.

ANYWAY, did you knew we have robotic libs? They just look like crap.
(Real arms made out of metal and shit that can be used when attached properly to a body as if it was a normal arm.

We should all stop buying oil so we can have this awesome stuff.

we have robotic limbs that attack to your nerves and you can put skin on it. so it looks human. Wtf u talking about. And yea we had hover cars, and no not only acouple inches, the one in alaska goes a foot off the ground and it has loads of mail and shit to carry around so no, not only a few inches my good sir.

 

[Hakeem]

Nothing will be enough fast enough unless it's a completely global effort, which as stated in the Original Post, is beyond reasonably possible.

While I don't remember saying that, it is a very real concern.

And even if it did happen, it still probably wouldn't be enough fast enough, so once it's all said and done: We're screwed.

My advice would be to prepare for the collapse of civilization and prepare to revert back to animal instincts.

Aye. Either that or just die. I figured more people would be choosing the road that doesn't kill you. :|

Because there are more idiots out there then people with the right rational minds, if this where a governing body by the people common sense we would be all fucked four sides from Thursday.

If people were that stupid, they would never go for government in the first place. That the world is smart enough to make government is proof that it is smart enough to govern itself. It really is becoming quite amusing to me that people are so keen to see people in positions of power as more trustworthy than the average person.

utopia = never

With that attitude you can stay out. We don't need pessimists bringing us down. Saying the world we live in is impossible. You are not a property of utopia.

We kill EACH OTHER. Like viruses don't do that. So wtf man. Were going to kill each other in the end just watch.

There is another thing that we do that viruses do not do. We save each other. In then end we will save each other, just watch.

OH SHI-

wrong we should worry about our neighbors.

That's funny. They've never expressed interest to kill me. I haven't even thought about killing them either. I really don't see where you're coming from.

Were a savage race who's animal instinct will conquer over common reasoning

If we were that then we would be monkeys. The thing that made us what we are is that our conscious minds are in control of our bodies.

Oil isn't important lol.
Out technology is far more advanced then most people think. It's just that the companies selling oil prevent these technologies to be used.

Yeah, but you're forgetting that there are 6 BILLION of us. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean it's mass produced. When oil starts to deplete, the infrastructure that we rely on to mass produce those new technologies will crumble, and so will our ability to develop those new technologies. We can't just use the new technology. We have to have fuel for it. For so long we've been relying on oil to be that fuel because it is so efficient.

once oil runs out, those companies can no longer hold back these new technologies.

They wont need to. Nobody will have the power to make them.

It's just because they can make profit they keep it, once it does not make profit they discard it and move on to the next best thing.

If only they had realized that sooner.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

First I would like to say, you cracked me up.

1.If people were that stupid, they would never go for government in the first place. That the world is smart enough to make government is proof that it is smart enough to govern itself. It really is becoming quite amusing to me that people are so keen to see people in positions of power as more trustworthy than the average person.

1.So your saying a Utopian society cannot exist? Because that would make us stupid? We need a government to be defined as intelligent?

2.With that attitude you can stay out. We don't need pessimists bringing us down. Saying the world we live in is impossible. You are not a property of utopia.

2. Its called being realistic. While you sit on your computer and make maps and may have family issues and girl/boy friend issues or w.e, there is mass genocide being committed. Yea your right, i should definitely not be a property of utopia. Although governments have been manipulating wars since who knows how long and people are being killed over religion since we first wanted to know answers.


3.There is another thing that we do that viruses do not do. We save each other. In then end we will save each other, just watch.

OH SHI-

3. That oh shit part was funny lmao. I cracked up. Anyway... We save each other? Who have you saved lately? Have you helped anyone on the street for no reason? You say in the end WE will save each other. Who is WE if most of the people out there don't care about anyone they don't know.

4.That's funny. They've never expressed interest to kill me. I haven't even thought about killing them either. I really don't see where you're coming from.

4.By neighbors I meant country's, because the matter of the fact is we have all evolved from monkeys, and like it or not are all related. We are all neighbors to each other. And if were not then what are we? And you want to save someone you don't know? Exactly.

5.If we were that then we would be monkeys. The thing that made us what we are is that our conscious minds are in control of our bodies.

5. We WERE MONKEYS! We evolved from them by starting to eat different foods, that's how we developed our eyes being able to see different colors. Our ancestors ate shrooms and started to trip. And after the trips they started to think about what happened, and there minds started to develop.


AND YOU KNOW WHAT! WE ALREADY KILLED OFF A RACE OF HUMANS. THE NEANDERTHALS! That just shows you how violent we are.

 

[BlargHonk]

We kill EACH OTHER. Like viruses don't do that.

Yesh they do

Also, the Military did this and this in the 50's and Bell Labs came up with this in the 60's.

 

[Vizel]

(SEMI-OFF-TOPIC):

We WERE MONKEYS! We evolved from them by starting to eat different foods, that's how we developed our eyes being able to see different colors. Our ancestors ate shrooms and started to trip. And after the trips they started to think about what happened, and there minds started to develop.

Before this turns into a debate between Christians and Scientologists, I'd like to remind everybody that everybody has the right to their own opinion and that you shouldn't force your opinions onto others.

I myself believe in evolution and the Big Bang, but I'm not about to start telling people "YOU BETTER BELIEVE IN WHAT I SAY"

(BACK ON-TOPIC):

Anyway, Hakeem, I'm not saying you said that, but by the context of your post, it seemed to me that you were implying it. I apologize if that was not the case.

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

(SEMI-OFF-TOPIC):



Before this turns into a debate between Christians and Scientologists, I'd like to remind everybody that everybody has the right to their own opinion and that you shouldn't force your opinions onto others.

I myself believe in evolution and the Big Bang, but I'm not about to start telling people "YOU BETTER BELIEVE IN WHAT I SAY"

(BACK ON-TOPIC):

Anyway, Hakeem, I'm not saying you said that, but by the context of your post, it seemed to me that you were implying it. I apologize if that was not the case.

That was me and not hakeem. Ppl have the right to believe what ever they want, but when there belief system crosses over to where people are getting hurt because of a certain such as ALL RELIGIONS. I think its ok to say, stfu before we put you in a mental institution. I believe in a high power. A God maybe. But thats all there is to it. I dont understand why people need a story to go with a God. Are they trying to understand him? Indentify with him? Who knows, cause at least I know you cant do either. If there is a God, let there be a God. And live your lifes in peace, dont try to go ahead and kill people who dont belive in the same God you do. Thats especially what I think is ridiculous, monotheistic religions that go cursing out other monotheistic religions. Like, how dumb can these mofos be. And we have politicians who think like that, thats the kind of shit that scares me. Like hello!!, anyone consider it might be the same mofo god if theres only one. Anyone consider were his play fukin toys? Scientology doesnt have all the answers, even people who belive in it say that there is a higher power. So why can't everyone forget about religion and live there lifes in peace? Besides the fact that everyones mental and doesnt know how to express themselves? No clue.

Yesh they do

Also, the Military did this and this in the 50's and Bell Labs came up with this in the 60's.

Dam I was hoping no one would notice.

 

[Hakeem]

So your saying a Utopian society cannot exist? Because that would make us stupid? We need a government to be defined as intelligent?

No. But I don't see how you're getting that out of what I said.

Its called being realistic.

Whether or not utopia can be achieved is irrelevant. You would give up before trying, and thus never be able to reach it even if it is possible. Because you believe that it cannot be achieved, you can never be a functioning member of a utopia, should one ever exist.

You're never going to do anything by not trying at all.

Who have you saved lately? Have you helped anyone on the street for no reason?

No. Everyone is peachy keen here. Even if it wasn't, I may not possess the ability to help the people currently in need in my area. If someone is dying of cancer, what am I supposed to do? If someone is trying to commit suicide I can probably save them, but I can't save anybody when there is nobody around that I can save.

By neighbors I meant country's

Of the Canadians I know, 0% of them have expressed the desire to kill me. It has not occurred to me to kill them.

you want to save someone you don't know?

Yes. Don't you?

We WERE MONKEYS!

Funny how that works huh? Why do you think we aren't monkeys anymore? One might attribute it to a difference in brain functioning.

WE ALREADY KILLED OFF A RACE OF HUMANS. THE NEANDERTHALS!

There is a difference between killing someone and being better than them. Neanderthals died off. We didn't kill them. As an evolutionist you ought to know how this type of thing works.

 

[Vizel]

I am not saying you said anything about monkeys. I was simply talking to Hakeem after the "On-Topic" part:

Anyway, Hakeem, I'm not saying you said that, but by the context of your post, it seemed to me that you were implying it. I apologize if that was not the case.

Was referring to this:

"Nothing will be enough fast enough unless it's a completely global effort, which as stated in the Original Post, is beyond reasonably possible."

While I don't remember saying that, it is a very real concern.

The underlined portion.

 

[Draknyte1]

Biomass?

 

[Pins]

"Utopia" = "u"-"topos" = "no"-"where" = not to be found in world, by definition.
So use another word .

 

[Vizel]

New word? PARADISE!

I apologize if I offended anyone by saying that.

 

[Airandius]

"Utopia" = "u"-"topos" = "no"-"where" = not to be found in world, by definition.
So use another word .

Incorrect. The word can be seen in two ways.
ou-topia which means no/none place. Just like you said. But you also have.
eu-topia which means good place.

Binded it means a good place that does not exist. However people will try to create a world like this. Once it's created it wont be called an Utopia anymore however.