Why didn't they showcase some cool custom campaign? Oh yeah...
Even if they did work on Reforged again, what good would that do? The game is fundamentally broken and a failure of a remaster. If they truly wanted to make a proper remaster of Warcraft III, they'd have to rebuild the entire thing from the ground up, with a new Engine and their own models. And Blizz is not willing to do that, they weren't from the beginning.Ouch
Btw... 40€ for D2 remaster, how much was Starcraft/Reforged?
Maybe the new guys will work on Reforged after D2 remaster? Fingers crossed?? Maybe a small delegation, like 5 people??? Would that be too much to ask????
Basically this.From my point of view they just need to make all the modding features work in full. That is, the broken natives, the apparently broken Lua GC, the stability in general. And finally the number of players in custom game lobbies.
I couldn't care less about the style of HD but with HD, modders have the capability to go deeper and make a full-on custom HD experience.
The way I see it though, the game will always be limited by the old engine anyways. And the only thing that's new is the models. Even the environment wasn't changed. And so, can it really be that "future"? Why not go back to the old versions, that are far more stable, accessible for older systems, and preferred by (probably) most of the fanbase? Is it so hard for blizz to return to older versions, that they surely still have?From my point of view they just need to make all the modding features work in full. That is, the broken natives, the apparently broken Lua GC, the stability in general. And finally the number of players in custom game lobbies.
I couldn't care less about the style of HD but with HD, modders have the capability to go deeper and make a full-on custom HD experience.
Rolling back makes no sense. They should roll forward and finish it instead. If you think rolling back is a productive move you've never done programming on a 10+ year old codebase before.
That's what matters for a brighter future for modding.
It may be nonsensical to you, but not to me. The way I see it, just slapping new "hd" models onto an existing game isn't enough for a good remaster. At it's core, this is still the old game. It just runs far worse than before.Warcraft III can be greater than ever before, as long as everything works. No need to "rebuild it from the ground up", such statements are nonsensical and not good feedback at all.
Rolling back makes no sense. They should roll forward and finish it instead. If you think rolling back is a productive move you've never done programming on a 10+ year old codebase before.
They could remaster from 1.29.2 onward, methinks. I mean that way we keep the custom campaigns feature and the old B.net which can be improved.The only good thing Blizz could do now, is to roll back to pre-reforged patches. Fix those, deliver a proper apology, admitting their failure and move on.
Well we expected nothing and nothing happened. They kicked out the team which was working on the latest patch, so of course they won't mention it. When I look at the shop this game still costs 30 €, so they didn't even change its price although the game is broken and has no custom campaigns. We can only hope for a new team which will patch the classic games.
i wonder what news they going to bring us on wc3?
The fact that Blizzard still hasn't fixed this game is insane, and them ghosting it at Blizzcon is even worse. What the hell is going on?
I'm not really sure breaking the company altogether is a good idea considering there are other games to be maintained.Now I just pray that OW2, Diablo Remastered etc. end up being spectacular money losers. This will have Activison make the calculated decision to divest Blizzard entirely. Leaving them bankrupt and forced to liquidate all assets. Then hoping that the WC IP will come in better hands.
Now I just pray that OW2, Diablo Remastered etc. end up being spectacular money losers. This will have Activison make the calculated decision to divest Blizzard entirely. Leaving them bankrupt and forced to liquidate all assets. Then hoping that the WC IP will come in better hands.
Well at least something but it might be some damage control?Found this: Blizzard leaders J. Allen Brack and Allen Adham on leaks, Reforged lessons, mobile, and more
Not sure, how trustworthy is this, but apparently J. Allen Brack said there are people working on Reforged, and that there will be more updates.![]()
This is the guy in charge of Blizzard...Blizzard does not have a long history of working with other studios. We’re relatively insular.
Not to mention Sierra and Diablo: Hellfire.Blizzard's history of working with other studios goes back to WarCraft 2 BtDP (co-developed with Cyberlore Studios in 1996). They also outsourced some work to another studio while working on StarCraft's expansion and collaborated with two companies in order to make Starcraft Ghost (Nihilistic Software and Swingin' Ape Studios).
Found this: Blizzard leaders J. Allen Brack and Allen Adham on leaks, Reforged lessons, mobile, and more
Not sure, how trustworthy is this, but apparently J. Allen Brack said there are people working on Reforged, and that there will be more updates.![]()
Wonder what happened to that "insider" promising great things for Reforged at the Blizzcon![]()
I think it's time we stop expecting anything from Blizzard. This way we won't be disappointed because then they can't disappoint.
People have been posting angry messages over Reforged for a long time now. I get it. You're disappointed. Who isn't? I am too.
Hive is slowly transitioning from "the Warcraft 3 modding community" to "the community of people angry over Reforged". This is not productive, it is not healthy. Once again, I get it that you're disappointed. We know. You don't have to tell us.
I know people who are leaving the community because they cannot take the negativity. I don't want Hive to be a negative place. Hive is a place for us to make maps and assets. Not a place where you go for your daily dose of dread and despair.
Please I beg all of you,
Make the best of it or go home.
I agree and I don’t judge people for being disappointed. I am well aware that anger correlates 100% with how much people care about this game.I do get where you are coming from Ralle and I agree that the negativity shouldn't take over the site. If it were any other thread I'd be right there with you - that being said, I don't think it's unreasonable to voice frustration and disappointment over Blizzard's silence in this particular thread. I think it should be expected that Blizzard address Reforged, a product that they sold to customers and later abandoned, at this year's Blizzcon. The fact that they didn't is pretty insulting to the fans and where else to voice our frustration than the thread dedicated to the discussion of Blizzcon?
I understand that it's frustrating to see negativity on a platform you're pouring your heart and soul into, and like I said it shouldn't take over everything. Spamming angry messages in irrelevant threads is not alright. But I think it's quite reasonable to voice disappointment in the relevant threads - such as this one.
Anyway. I hope I at least make people think more on what their goal is with posting in the hopes that Hive will be a place where people come with joy and leave with the same or more joy.
Thank you.I can respect this sentiment. I will try to focus more on the positives![]()
On that note, Resurrected looks... promising. I will never again pre-order a Blizzard game, but I will consider buying it when it comes out - if it lives up to what is being promised. The fact that they are actually remastering all the cinematics is pretty hype, not gonna lie.
lol, just stop it. Expecting Blizz to suddenly be the good guys again is just plain silly. How many times must they prove to you that they abandoned Wc3?We should not lose hope. Some video games get more than one remaster.
Yeah modding is actually pretty good. There's a project that allows you to write in TypeScript which gets compiled to Lua. So you can finally write your map code in a real language.personally as a modder, I only expected Reforged to make the WE more powerful which they delivered, minus the bugs; and improved graphic quality which also they delivered, minus the subpar performance. So in overall, I can't really be so disappointed.
People are hard at work on fixing this with a mod. @InsaneMonster knows more about this. Can you tell us how it works? I always get puzzled when I go to the Quenching website.[...] just the missing custom campaign feature [...]
Grubby made a statement in the wake of BC, it's worth a read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/lqy1h6/a_positive_note_from_grubby/
I'm especially interested in the last part. That's why we are going to contact J. Allen Brack to get us in contact with that team.There’s going to be more updates. We’ve talked about how the various tournament systems are not where we want them to be, and there are additional features we want to continue to think about and add. We have a team that’s continuing to work on Reforged.
You know, I'd love to be as hopelessly optimistic as you areIf they can remaster D2 properly then I am sure they can fix Reforged/or make another wc3 remaster.
I hope I at least make people think more on what their goal is with posting in the hopes that Hive will be a place where people come with joy and leave with the same or more joy.
It can always be argued that Warcraft didn't deserve to be left in a ditch after a not very consentual one-night stand. But we'll manage with what we got.
Yeah modding is actually pretty good. There's a project that allows you to write in TypeScript which gets compiled to Lua. So you can finally write your map code in a real language.
Warcraft III - TypeScript
People are hard at work on fixing this with a mod. @InsaneMonster knows more about this. Can you tell us how it works? I always get puzzled when I go to the Quenching website.