Armies of Northrend 1.9

[Moderator]

12:23, 13th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Rejected

 

[VampireofBlood]

the shops and goldmines are not placed balanced.
Blue has a big advantage to teal.

 

[Rispetto]

the shops and goldmines are not placed balanced.
Blue has a big advantage to teal.

The map itself isn't very big. I can't see it actually being a problem, tbh.

 

[izaiphovias]

the shops and goldmines are not placed balanced.
Blue has a big advantage to teal.

In truth isn't my fault if the map goldmines are unbalanced, i used an oficial TFT map, i just placed my custom races on it.

And if you are refering to the races shop (tomb of relics and artifacts box) i wil try to improve them.

 

[YeeShadow]

There are lots of problems with this map, specially with the Ice Elves (weird... I have a campaign where the main race are the Ice Elves xD, not uploaded)

Let's start with the cool stuff, everything is well planed, is balanced (talking just about races, not terrain, etc.), is cool, not very original, specially with the scourge, but it fits.

I personaly loved one hero of the Ice Elves, Hunk, The Living Mountain, I loved the model and how it is used, but there is a huuuuuge problem with this, and is the animation, when it hits, you can see it, but the sound and the damage occur like one second later, you have to fix that, also the movement is weird, the animation is slower than his movement, making it look like if it where skating.

Most of the problems are with animations, specially with the movement and attack, and are quite common with the Ice Elves. There are also lots of typos, fix that.

Try adding some extra features for single player play, like AI.

That's all, I will make a full review when you fix most of the problems.

 

[izaiphovias]

I personaly loved one hero of the Ice Elves, Hunk, The Living Mountain, I loved the model and how it is used, but there is a huuuuuge problem with this, and is the animation, when it hits, you can see it, but the sound and the damage occur like one second later, you have to fix that, also the movement is weird, the animation is slower than his movement, making it look like if it where skating.

i know this problem, but there is a bigger problem
i just don't know how to repair it
if anyone knows please say it, i'm needing the help

 

[YeeShadow]

Is very simple to fix.

In the object editor, well... the obvious thing, select the unit you want to edit, now, in the art section, there'll be a something like this "Art - Animation - Run Speed" and also "Art - Animation - Walk Speed" you need to change that to fit the animation, you can also change the movement speed.

To fix the attack, "Combat - Attack 1 - Animation Backswing Point" change that to fit the animation, you'll also need to fix the "Combat - Attack 1 - Animation Damage Point" those are seconds, if you set those two to 1, it will take two seconds. Check how much time the animation takes, that way it will be easy to fix.

 

[izaiphovias]

Is very simple to fix.
In the object editor, well... the obvious thing, select the unit you want to edit, now, in the art section, there'll be a something like this "Art - Animation - Run Speed" and also "Art - Animation - Walk Speed" you need to change that to fit the animation, you can also change the movement speed.
To fix the attack, "Combat - Attack 1 - Animation Backswing Point" change that to fit the animation, you'll also need to fix the "Combat - Attack 1 - Animation Damage Point" those are seconds, if you set those two to 1, it will take two seconds. Check how much time the animation takes, that way it will be easy to fix.

thaks for the tip! i have fixed that, new version 1.1 already uploaded
ps: steel trying to create a good AI

 

[YeeShadow]

I already download the new version, but you didn't fix the typos, so I take a little time to tell where are some of the typos, I did not check the spells. I'll put in the left where the typos are, and in the right the typos.

Ice Elves
Create Mages Temple - temle, mistical
Build Council Hall - Snate,
Research Fruit Production - increacing
Creates Artifacts Box - Tree of Frost, Tree of Ice, Frozen Tree
Train Blue Warrior - Defencive
Lumber Harvesting - Peasants
Summon Trayd - Frot Shard
Summon Sarion - adept (that word shouldn't be there)
Create Kmah Altar - assaul
Create Spiron Temple - Mistical

The Scourge
Summon Bones Hall - Infantary
Train Skeletal Infantary (Yes, you put infantary in the title) - Infantary, Infantaries
Research Teaching of Blight - cas

Probably there are more, you should fix that as soon as you can.
There are also some other mistakes, like no space after a point or coma, and more, I just tell you this because is really important to eliminate all those problems to have an excellent quality map.

 

[Amigurumi]

(4.67 MB, 28 Downloads)

this map is not playable in battle.net or Lan.
the map has to be max 3.99 mb large.
please fix this, or you are only able to play it at singleplayer against AI (bots)

 

[izaiphovias]

this map is not playable in battle.net or Lan.
the map has to be max 3.99 mb large.
please fix this, or you are only able to play it at singleplayer against AI (bots)

I used the Widgetizer on the version 1.3, but it only decrease the loading time, i just don't know how to decrease the file size
Someone knows a program to reduce the file size?

 

[Amigurumi]

wc3mapoptimizer. with this program, you can save some filesize, and protect your map.

 

[izaiphovias]

wc3mapoptimizer. with this program, you can save some filesize, and protect your map.

yeah, thanks for the tip, but i didn't found it on the THW Tools

 

[Amigurumi]

google is your friendd
Vexorian's wc3 map optimizer

 

[Super-Sheep]

Optimizers have very small effect on importred things... It mainly helps fightning versus loads of scripts.

 

[YeeShadow]

If you want to reduce filesize, in my humble opinion, you should remove the custom icons for movement, attack and all those basic commands. I don't think that's really necessary.

 

[Archangel_Tidusx]

I suggest good grammar.

 

[Amigurumi]

you should remove unnecessary models, which take the most space.

 

[izaiphovias]

I suggest good grammar.

sorry for the grammar, i'm from Basil and i just can't talk or write perfect english!
if anyone find any grammar error please say what you have found so i can fix it!

 

[darkreapers]

brazil or not, its not very hard to run things through MS word.

too much imported models which is not needed. Models do not make a good map,
good idea does.

2/5

 

[shadonavan]

woot im guna give this map a 2/5 becuase of the fatal error while i was playing. fix it and you got an awsome map. i had the giant hero for the ice elfs and i got the frozen meteor skill. about 1 second after i got that CRASH! games over.....

Edit
Well its a really good map other then that and i was having alot of fun. Awsome models. i think the game was very fun(which is sayin somthin cus i usually dont like these kinds of maps to much) but like i said fix that and youll get 5/5 from me!

 

[izaiphovias]

i had the giant hero for the ice elfs and i got the frozen meteor skill. about 1 second after i got that CRASH!

Wel, i removed the custom model used for the spell, hope that works, however using the normal effect of the spell (infernal) will make it quite strange, but the error should be fixed now. And thanks for reporting me this, you helped a lot

 

[VampireofBlood]

I am allways using the Mapoptimizer to, because i dont know any other Tool to minimze the Filesize.
It allways just takes like 6% away

 

[shadonavan]

ok ill test it agian and let you know!

 

[VampireofBlood]

hmm.
One time i talked with a guy who had alot experience about mapcreation.
He talked about a tool that reduced his filesize(of the map) to 45% of the amount it had before.
Anyone knows a thing of such tool?^^

 

[knight26]

hmm.
One time i talked with a guy who had alot experience about mapcreation.
He talked about a tool that reduced his filesize(of the map) to 45% of the amount it had before.
Anyone knows a thing of such tool?^^

Use threads for these questions, not in the map sections.. :/.

on topic: seems as a good idea. I'll make sure i test it when i have free time.

 

[Archangel_Tidusx]

sorry for the grammar, i'm from Basil and i just can't talk or write perfect english!
if anyone find any grammar error please say what you have found so i can fix it!

I wouldn't mind looking over it.

 

[shadonavan]

dear god make this more players. this game is awsome and i want some epic fights like 6v6! AH RUN FROM THE ARMY OF GIANTS!

 

[izaiphovias]

dear god make this more players. this game is awsome and i want some epic fights like 6v6!

I'm working on puting some more players, but to do so, i will need to remove the Lich King hero and put a "normal" death knight instead, it will make no sense if two or more players have the Lich King at the same time

Edit: I don't know if will be a good idea to make a map with more than 2 players, some hero spells uses triggers, with more than 2 players these spells could bug, the only way is removing these kind of spells, then the map can have more than 2 players... thinking about that...

 

[Archangel_Tidusx]

If you decide to make more players, also make it fun for small games too. I hate how every game on battle.net is for 1001010102301094 players

 

[YeeShadow]

The map has a fatal error... I think that is on the AI...

 

[izaiphovias]

The map has a fatal error... I think that is on the AI...

I know, but i can't find the damn error, i already searched the AI scrip a thousands of times and found nothing... strange, but i will keep searching for the error, one day i will find it!!!

 

[YeeShadow]

Are you using triggers for this? If you are try to use the basic AI editor... Hope you find it soon, I love your map ^^ xD

 

[izaiphovias]

Are you using triggers for this? If you are try to use the basic AI editor...

well, i uploaded a new version, and used a completly new AI, hope yhis one don't have any error
and the new version can be played with 8 players

Hope you find it soon, I love your map ^^ xD

thanks, i'm working hard on this map, i had the idea of the Ice Elves years ago and now that i've finaly found somewere to show it i'm doing what i can to make the race as i ever "dreamed"!!!

 

[shadonavan]

YEAH MORE THEN TWO PEOPLE NOW!!!







ALL HAIL XBACURIX!!!! NOW I CAN PLAY 4v4!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[YeeShadow]

The bug is still there... i'm not sure where the problem is, but I think is that it activates when you try to summon more than 5 peons... or you get and expo... I think is there the problem, I'll check again to be sure.

 

[izaiphovias]

The bug is still there... i'm not sure where the problem is, but I think is that it activates when you try to summon more than 5 peons... or you get and expo... I think is there the problem, I'll check again to be sure.

Strange, i've tested the maps and since the version 1.5 that error didn't hapened... well, i think that i will upload the version 1.8 unprotected, than anyone can help me find that damn error

 

[Darkgamma]

Yknow, this kinda fits my campaing-in-the-making. Both races will be included there, as will the dwarves and orcs as the enemies, no allied race. Will use your idea^-^ as a basis for the Scourge and Ice Elves

 

[izaiphovias]

Yknow, this kinda fits my campaing-in-the-making. Both races will be included there, as will the dwarves and orcs as the enemies, no allied race. Will use your idea^-^ as a basis for the Scourge and Ice Elves

cool, will be good to see my races in a campaing!!
i hope that if you would use my races exatly as they are, you would give me the credits for that.

 

[JakeCake]

There are some serious bugs, not very important ones, but you notice them:
-I belive some of the heroes are way overpowered(Chaos dmg. and +30 int/level????) I know some of the overpowered heroes costs 500gold more than the other ones, but really, they are way too good :S
-Some or one of the gold minds are only at 10000 gold when the otheres are at 10001000(and why this number?)?

There are more ballance issues and such, but I like the effort put into it, for example are all the tooltips correct, which I did not expect. So a lot of effort is put into this map with a few major problems. I will give you 3/5, but if you reduce the number of units created by bots, so I won't lag out again And I have a GOOD computer, It can fast be 4/5 or hight More effort please, and gj with the AI script, just reduce the number of units (skeletons) Seriously(Summon 24 skeletons to the battlefield?, and if you have the upgrade which make them raise upon death, they will live forever????) Please fix this things to give some ballance and to remove some lag.

3/5

 

[izaiphovias]

-I belive some of the heroes are way overpowered(Chaos dmg. and +30 int/level????) I know some of the overpowered heroes costs 500gold more than the other ones, but really, they are way too good :S
-Some or one of the gold minds are only at 10000 gold when the otheres are at 10001000(and why this number?)?

Well, i placed on the description that the heroes are POWERFUL, but if that becamed a problem i would decrease their power, and i will do so, next update they will be less strong, and the gold mines with 10001000 gold, well this happen only wen a computer player is controing that mine, this would to make the game a bit harder, you now... the computer is never without gold!!! But perhaps i will remove this too

There are more ballance issues and such, but I like the effort put into it, for example are all the tooltips correct, which I did not expect. So a lot of effort is put into this map with a few major problems. I will give you 3/5, but if you reduce the number of units created by bots, so I won't lag out again And I have a GOOD computer, It can fast be 4/5 or hight More effort please, and gj with the AI script, just reduce the number of units (skeletons) Seriously(Summon 24 skeletons to the battlefield?, and if you have the upgrade which make them raise upon death, they will live forever????) Please fix this things to give some ballance and to remove some lag.

About the AI training so much units i can't do anything, if i reduce the number of units created by the AI (specialy the scourge) they will become to weak, and the Death knight spell that summons 24 skeletons, i will reduce that number, be sure , and the summoned skeletons will not have the reborn ability!!! And thaks for the comment, help is aways welcome

 

[Trayd]

nice map, i liked the heroes and cutoms models, but the Scourge is kinda too strong, increase their food request or the units strenghs to balance more the two races, right?

the hero Trayd is very POWERFUL, i liked him!

 

[izaiphovias]

The socourge's strengh is reduced in 1.9, also the heroes.
But the next version will take longer to release than expected, because of some errors.

Cool, you have the same name of my hero =D

 

[Vengeancekael]

Hmm is'nt 3.25mb a bit too big for an altered melee?(i could be wrong^^)

 

[izaiphovias]

it's 3.25 because of the imported models, there's a lot of them

 

[Vengeancekael]

I know, but i think you should'nt use anymore models.

 

[Bloodemon]

Cool!

 

[Cweener]

Mass Purging Template Version 4.0
Rejection

Reason for not approving:
Terrain is too bland for a melee.

 

[izaiphovias]

Terrain is too bland? Don't know what you mean with this exactly... But...
Dude... I used an official Blizzard melee map for this one, if there is anything wrong about the terrain blame the Blizzard's map editors xD