[Miscellanous / Other] Alchemy Tower

[DingoT]

Maybe something with triggers ?

 

[Rem]

any spellcaster with dispel/purge/disenchant/abolish magic/destroy magic could dispel that, I don't think it would be possible to limit it to the town hall

some buffs cannot be dispelled with spells, but can be removed with triggers

 

[Lord Aiden]

you're saying the disease ward aura thing? it won't prevent the unit from harvesting

 

[DingoT]

@Lord Aiden that's what I was thinking

 

[Rem]

i will check the editor

 

[DingoT]

I know doom cannot be displays but it damages the unit

 

[Lord Aiden]

wait doom can be modified to deal no damage, and its perfect for this because it disables all abilities, and it can only be removed by triggers

 

[Rem]

good idea =)

 

[DingoT]

@Lord Aiden I seen your thread in the w-editor help section, I think may wanna rethink your approach to this, if u cant create a trigger that activates when a unit starts harvesting due to editor limitations just think of another way you could set it up like unit within range or in region or by gold attained, I'm no expert on the editor but i know you could make a dummy aura and then see if a unit is affected by it, just don't give up because one method does not play out

 

[Pyrogasm]

You fellas may find these resources useful:

DockingSystem v1.05.3
SmartTrack v1.05.1

 

[Lord Alyx]

@Lord Aiden I seen your thread in the w-editor help section, I think may wanna rethink your approach to this, if u cant create a trigger that activates when a unit starts harvesting due to editor limitations just think of another way you could set it up like unit within range or in region or by gold attained, I'm no expert on the editor but i know you could make a dummy aura and then see if a unit is affected by it, just don't give up because one method does not play out

While it's true that you cannot detect when a unit starts harvesting without a special system, you can check if a unit is harvesting using a simple condition, the event can be a periodic timer;

• (Current order of UNIT <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))

Now I don't exactly know how you want to set this up, but if I wanted the unit to go get repaired, and a modified doom being the best ability to use, I would set it up like this:

• Untitled Trigger 001
  • Events
    • Time - Every 3.00 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
    • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
      • Then - Actions
        • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
          • Then - Actions
            • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
              • If - Conditions
                • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
              • Then - Actions
                • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                  • If - Conditions
                    • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                  • Then - Actions
                    • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                      • If - Conditions
                        • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                      • Then - Actions
                        • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                          • If - Conditions
                            • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                          • Then - Actions
                            • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                            • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                              • If - Conditions
                                • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                              • Then - Actions
                                • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                                • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                                  • If - Conditions
                                    • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                                  • Then - Actions
                                    • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                                    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                                      • If - Conditions
                                        • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                                      • Then - Actions
                                        • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                                        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
                                          • If - Conditions
                                            • (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
                                          • Then - Actions
                                            • Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
                                            • Unit - Order Magtheridon 0004 <gen> to Neutral Pit Lord - Doom Acolyte 0002 <gen>
                                            • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                                          • Else - Actions
                                            • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                                      • Else - Actions
                                        • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                                  • Else - Actions
                                    • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                              • Else - Actions
                                • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                          • Else - Actions
                            • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                      • Else - Actions
                        • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
                  • Else - Actions
                    • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
              • Else - Actions
                • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
          • Else - Actions
            • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
      • Else - Actions
        • Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)

 

[Rem]

isnt there an easier way?

 

[Lord Alyx]

There can be other methods, don't believe theyll be any easier.

You could hide the harvest button by placing it in the 0,-11 position and create a trigger that automatically gets the harvester to harvest when its in range and stops it after a certain time harvest, there are also other things you can do, but if you wanna make it seem like the harvester needs repairs the easiest thing to do is cast doom on it with no damage but a good looking buff, and have the town hall or worker unit remove it with a trigger,

If you don't wanna use doom create a fake aura that only effects the unit that has it, add and remove it via trigger when necessary

 

[Lord Aiden]

even in the 0,-11 position the mine can be harvested if its right clicked while the harvesting unit is selected

 

[Lord Alyx]

Not if its model is cloud or another buff; its unselectable in-game

 

[Rem]

which option would u suggest?? casting doom or adding an aura?

 

[Lord Alyx]

Well for doom, all you need is to modify it and have a unit cast it on the harvester

For the aura you need to have a trigger add it to the unit plus remove the harvesting ability so that it no longer harvests, and then do the reverse when the unit is "fixed"

Doom seems simpler, but the aura has the benefit that it does not need any unit to cast it

 

[Lord Aiden]

interesting solution

 

[Rem]

any way to make fly to the townhall for an automatic repair ?

 

[Lord Aiden]

yes using triggers

 

[Rem]

wow u were right, i looked at the map u send over and the mechanic works perfectly =) we just need to test it with an airship now & a different model for the goldmine

 

[Lord Aiden]

@-Phoenix- the cloud is actually selectable, you were wrong

 

[Lord Alyx]

You might be able to select it in game, but you wont be able to right click it with the harvester unit selected, thats what I meant to say

 

[Lord Aiden]

yes, this seems correct

 

[Lord Alyx]

btw I did the whole mine thing with the cloud ability and set the radius of mining rings to 0 and my harvestor got stuck in the middle of the cloud and could not get out

Also you might wanna add another condition to that trigger, being that the unit is within x range of mine otherwise it will fire when the unit is given the order to harvest regardless of where its located

 

[Lord Aiden]

thanks im fixing it now

 

[Lord Alyx]

my suggestion is radius of rings = 60

and

use region around position of goldmine with size of like 95 width and 95 length

 

[Lord Aiden]

theres no way to make it in range of? like a radius

 

[Lord Alyx]

I don't think so, but I could be wrong

 

[Lord Aiden]

I got it working with a flying machine to where it goes to the mine, "harvests" it for 10 seconds gets 200 gold then gets the doom buff cast on it -it looks like it overheated, at this point it gets the order to return back to the town hall, when it does the doom buff gets removed and it gets an order to go back to harvesting

 

[Pyrogasm]

theres no way to make it in range of? like a radius

my suggestion is radius of rings = 60

and

use region around position of goldmine with size of like 95 width and 95 length

I suggested an easy resource to use to make this on the previous page, but apparently nobody saw that.

You fellas may find these resources useful:

DockingSystem v1.05.3
SmartTrack v1.05.1

 

[Lord Aiden]

kinda have it figured out at this point, but a big thank you for suggesting it

here is the sample btw

 

[DingoT]

Not exactly what I envisioned, but a great job nevertheless

 

[Lord Aiden]

still a WIP man

 

[DingoT]

Height needs to be adjust

 

[Lord Aiden]

@cleavinghammer any creative ideas regarding this? you seem to know your stuff when it comes to creativity

 

[cleavinghammer]

I dunno, seems a good enough compromise as it is. Get too complex and it just wastes effort for little gain.

 

[DingoT]

I dunno, seems a good enough compromise as it is. Get too complex and it just wastes effort for little gain.

I feel that this can be improved in various ways, maybe better model for the goldmine, better model for the airship, back story, etc.

 

[cleavinghammer]

If the map had a scifi theme, maybe. But if it's explicitly magic, you could make it anything else, like a gigantic flying gemstone the ship keeps digging chunks from, and the model's size decreases along with the amount of gold left to mine.

 

[DingoT]

This thing needs lots if polishing up

 

[Rem]

its a good system though, feel like it has potential and its refreshingly diffrerent compared to everything else i have seen in tft

 

[DingoT]

Good system but some more polishing is a must

 

[Lord Alyx]

This imho has to be one of the most unique mining/resource gathering set ups that I've ever encountered
(I would suggest using the anti-magic shield buff as the gold mine unit, and some sort of airship as the model if youre still looking for advice btw)

 

[DingoT]

This imho has to be one of the most unique mining/resource gathering set ups that I've ever encountered

Then you haven't modded wc3 extensively enough. I'm sure there were much more complex schemes put to use

 

[Lord Alyx]

I have worked on a major project that was never finished as well as a few smaller projects, but I've never used this type of set up before, and if you look through my previous postings I have written what I used for various alternatives methods of obtaining gold, and this stands out from everything else

 

[DingoT]

Don't tell me you worked on some modified melee map and you consider it a major project

 

[Lord Alyx]

No it was a campaign that would've had 18+ maps, not including the cinematic ones, but because the people I was working with on the project quit it was never finished, just look through my earlier posts; I have mentioned the many ways I've had the player get extra gold, Im no novice at this

 

[DingoT]

Sorry I didn't mean any disrespect

 

[Lord Alyx]

I never claimed to be an expert in gold mine alternatives, but as I've said to my knowledge this is very unique

 

[DingoT]

I had assumed that since wc3 & try have been around for over a decade there must be some pretty creative gold obtaining mechanisms in some maps