[Miscellanous / Other] Alchemy Tower

DingoT · Apr 14, 2019

Maybe something with triggers ?

Rem · Apr 14, 2019

Lord Aiden said:
any spellcaster with dispel/purge/disenchant/abolish magic/destroy magic could dispel that, I don't think it would be possible to limit it to the town hall

some buffs cannot be dispelled with spells, but can be removed with triggers

Lord Aiden · Apr 14, 2019

you're saying the disease ward aura thing? it won't prevent the unit from harvesting

DingoT · Apr 14, 2019

@Lord Aiden that's what I was thinking

Rem · Apr 14, 2019

i will check the editor

DingoT · Apr 14, 2019

I know doom cannot be displays but it damages the unit

Lord Aiden · Apr 14, 2019

wait doom can be modified to deal no damage, and its perfect for this because it disables all abilities, and it can only be removed by triggers

Rem · Apr 14, 2019

good idea =)

DingoT · Apr 15, 2019

@Lord Aiden I seen your thread in the w-editor help section, I think may wanna rethink your approach to this, if u cant create a trigger that activates when a unit starts harvesting due to editor limitations just think of another way you could set it up like unit within range or in region or by gold attained, I'm no expert on the editor but i know you could make a dummy aura and then see if a unit is affected by it, just don't give up because one method does not play out

Pyrogasm · Apr 15, 2019

You fellas may find these resources useful:

DockingSystem v1.05.3
SmartTrack v1.05.1

Lord Alyx · Apr 16, 2019

DingoT said:
@Lord Aiden I seen your thread in the w-editor help section, I think may wanna rethink your approach to this, if u cant create a trigger that activates when a unit starts harvesting due to editor limitations just think of another way you could set it up like unit within range or in region or by gold attained, I'm no expert on the editor but i know you could make a dummy aura and then see if a unit is affected by it, just don't give up because one method does not play out

While it's true that you cannot detect when a unit starts harvesting without a special system, you can check if a unit is harvesting using a simple condition, the event can be a periodic timer;

(Current order of UNIT <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))

Now I don't exactly know how you want to set this up, but if I wanted the unit to go get repaired, and a modified doom being the best ability to use, I would set it up like this:

Untitled Trigger 001
- Events
  - Time - Every 3.00 seconds of game time
- Conditions
- Actions
  - Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
  - Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
    - Then - Actions
      - Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
      - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
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        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
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        Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
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        (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Current order of Acolyte 0002 <gen>) Equal to (Order(harvest))
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 2.00 game-time seconds
        
        Unit - Order Magtheridon 0004 <gen> to Neutral Pit Lord - Doom Acolyte 0002 <gen>
        
        Trigger - Turn on (This trigger)
        
        Else - Actions
        
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Rem · Apr 16, 2019

isnt there an easier way?

Lord Alyx · Apr 16, 2019

There can be other methods, don't believe theyll be any easier.

You could hide the harvest button by placing it in the 0,-11 position and create a trigger that automatically gets the harvester to harvest when its in range and stops it after a certain time harvest, there are also other things you can do, but if you wanna make it seem like the harvester needs repairs the easiest thing to do is cast doom on it with no damage but a good looking buff, and have the town hall or worker unit remove it with a trigger,

If you don't wanna use doom create a fake aura that only effects the unit that has it, add and remove it via trigger when necessary

Lord Aiden · Apr 16, 2019

even in the 0,-11 position the mine can be harvested if its right clicked while the harvesting unit is selected

Lord Alyx · Apr 16, 2019

Not if its model is cloud or another buff; its unselectable in-game

Rem · Apr 16, 2019

which option would u suggest?? casting doom or adding an aura?

Lord Alyx · Apr 16, 2019

Well for doom, all you need is to modify it and have a unit cast it on the harvester

For the aura you need to have a trigger add it to the unit plus remove the harvesting ability so that it no longer harvests, and then do the reverse when the unit is "fixed"

Doom seems simpler, but the aura has the benefit that it does not need any unit to cast it

Lord Aiden · Apr 16, 2019

interesting solution

Rem · Apr 16, 2019

any way to make fly to the townhall for an automatic repair ?

Lord Aiden · Apr 16, 2019

yes using triggers

Rem · Apr 16, 2019

wow u were right, i looked at the map u send over and the mechanic works perfectly =) we just need to test it with an airship now & a different model for the goldmine

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

@-Phoenix- the cloud is actually selectable, you were wrong

Lord Alyx · Apr 17, 2019

You might be able to select it in game, but you wont be able to right click it with the harvester unit selected, thats what I meant to say

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

yes, this seems correct

Lord Alyx · Apr 17, 2019

btw I did the whole mine thing with the cloud ability and set the radius of mining rings to 0 and my harvestor got stuck in the middle of the cloud and could not get out

Also you might wanna add another condition to that trigger, being that the unit is within x range of mine otherwise it will fire when the unit is given the order to harvest regardless of where its located

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

thanks im fixing it now

Lord Alyx · Apr 17, 2019

my suggestion is radius of rings = 60

and

use region around position of goldmine with size of like 95 width and 95 length

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

theres no way to make it in range of? like a radius

Lord Alyx · Apr 17, 2019

I don't think so, but I could be wrong

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

I got it working with a flying machine to where it goes to the mine, "harvests" it for 10 seconds gets 200 gold then gets the doom buff cast on it -it looks like it overheated, at this point it gets the order to return back to the town hall, when it does the doom buff gets removed and it gets an order to go back to harvesting

Pyrogasm · Apr 17, 2019

Lord Aiden said:
theres no way to make it in range of? like a radius

-Phoenix- said:
my suggestion is radius of rings = 60

and

use region around position of goldmine with size of like 95 width and 95 length

I suggested an easy resource to use to make this on the previous page, but apparently nobody saw that.

Pyrogasm said:
You fellas may find these resources useful:

DockingSystem v1.05.3
SmartTrack v1.05.1

Lord Aiden · Apr 17, 2019

kinda have it figured out at this point, but a big thank you for suggesting it

here is the sample btw

DingoT · Apr 18, 2019

Not exactly what I envisioned, but a great job nevertheless

Lord Aiden · Apr 18, 2019

still a WIP man

DingoT · Apr 18, 2019

Height needs to be adjust

Lord Aiden · Apr 19, 2019

@cleavinghammer any creative ideas regarding this? you seem to know your stuff when it comes to creativity

cleavinghammer · Apr 19, 2019

I dunno, seems a good enough compromise as it is. Get too complex and it just wastes effort for little gain.

DingoT · Apr 19, 2019

cleavinghammer said:
I dunno, seems a good enough compromise as it is. Get too complex and it just wastes effort for little gain.

I feel that this can be improved in various ways, maybe better model for the goldmine, better model for the airship, back story, etc.

cleavinghammer · Apr 19, 2019

If the map had a scifi theme, maybe. But if it's explicitly magic, you could make it anything else, like a gigantic flying gemstone the ship keeps digging chunks from, and the model's size decreases along with the amount of gold left to mine.

DingoT · Apr 21, 2019

This thing needs lots if polishing up

Rem · Apr 21, 2019

its a good system though, feel like it has potential and its refreshingly diffrerent compared to everything else i have seen in tft

DingoT · Apr 21, 2019

Good system but some more polishing is a must

Lord Alyx · Apr 22, 2019

This imho has to be one of the most unique mining/resource gathering set ups that I've ever encountered
(I would suggest using the anti-magic shield buff as the gold mine unit, and some sort of airship as the model if youre still looking for advice btw)

DingoT · Apr 22, 2019

-Phoenix- said:
This imho has to be one of the most unique mining/resource gathering set ups that I've ever encountered

Then you haven't modded wc3 extensively enough. I'm sure there were much more complex schemes put to use

Lord Alyx · Apr 22, 2019

I have worked on a major project that was never finished as well as a few smaller projects, but I've never used this type of set up before, and if you look through my previous postings I have written what I used for various alternatives methods of obtaining gold, and this stands out from everything else

DingoT · Apr 22, 2019

Don't tell me you worked on some modified melee map and you consider it a major project

Lord Alyx · Apr 22, 2019

No it was a campaign that would've had 18+ maps, not including the cinematic ones, but because the people I was working with on the project quit it was never finished, just look through my earlier posts; I have mentioned the many ways I've had the player get extra gold, Im no novice at this

DingoT · Apr 22, 2019

Sorry I didn't mean any disrespect

Lord Alyx · Apr 22, 2019

I never claimed to be an expert in gold mine alternatives, but as I've said to my knowledge this is very unique

DingoT · Apr 22, 2019

I had assumed that since wc3 & try have been around for over a decade there must be some pretty creative gold obtaining mechanisms in some maps

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