Advanced Coding in GUI... NOT Recommended.

[Diehard@Azeroth]

hello everyone, i just wanted to know, why is GUI so god damn buggy? i always heard this notion and thought it was bullshit, until i saw it for myself, for example iv had issues with hashtables and loops... let me tell you the story: iv attached an integer index to a picked unit to identify it as being hit so i wont hit it again, then after the missile is gone i clear all its index child, yet it doesnt seem to be cleared for some damn reason. As for loops, well in JASS you can do a simple loop and do damage over time, while in gui if i put any stupid waits it doesnt seem to work and it bugs. Is it just me? or is GUI not recommended with really advanced coding? i mean i did it all correct, like i was supposed to, but i had to encounter a bug with hashtables, loops i accept, but the problem with hashtables prevent me from creating a great, well-coded system for the public, which personally, pisses the hell out of me.... anyone want to throw in any comments to this? (i used to like GUI alot, but now im beginning to think it isnt for advanced systems that need stuff like hashtables, handles, even two handles attached to eachother and whatnot.)

 

[Anachron]

Hey, 255 posts = 2^8 bits, so with next post you cost the server 1 new bit! ahaha

Ontopic: Yeah, GUI is totally shit in advanced coding, since its a GUI (Graphical User Interface) which can't be that well as text based only.

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

god damn man... i code well in gui, only thing iv known but for hashtables to work like shit i mean i posted my problems here.. and i promise you: NO ONE was able to fix them :[ I guess il just stick to unit enter regions events ey? and the simple oldschool gui xD

 

[Anachron]

Why else should we code in vJASS? Because its fun?^^
vJASS is way better and with less bugs as GUI,
so here you go!

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

oh yes... you are right... for the first time of my life, i actually reccommend jass to someone rather than gui. OMG WHAT A TRANSFORMATION lool. well im not gonna learn jass, been gui since i began, il just stick to oldschool maps. But thanks for answer man, your a good-hearted fellow t.t usually jassers say its fun to code in with all these hard-coded scary functions, but u tell the truth, that it gets annoying but we do it cus it works ) thanks for your input bro

 

[Anachron]

Learning JASS (or even vJASS) isn'T that hard either, if you know the english GUI functions you can learn JASS very fast.

I wouldn't stick on GUI.

Btw, my last map, Templar Arena, which is quite big, is full of GUI. It drained resources drastically, so you might want to check it because you can learn alot from it. I will release it as open source and its the time I switched from GUI to JASS.

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

well you see the thing is... i know how to do almost anything in GUI, and i know gui VERY WELL without sounding conceited, its just that many things bug and it gets annoying when you get to higher-levels. although i might learn a thing or two, as we all arent perfect. BTW what do u mean drains resources?

 

[Anachron]

GUI calls another function in the function, so it has about 2 - 3 x of the function calls and variables required as vJASS.
Most GUI functions are BJs which do the following:
IsUnitAliveBJ()
return IsUnitDeadBJ()

IsUnitDeadBJ()
return IsUnitAlive()

IsUnitAlive()
return GetUnitState(u, UNIT_STATE_LIFE) > 0

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

ur scaring me man, ur scaring me! il try to learn JASS, but i think itll be a long way for me to learn because i always see the codes with different types of functions, JNGP, basically words iv never heard about and being all stuck together in a scary format ! lol tbh, how many months would it take to be really good at jass? like to be able to use these "constant functions" learning how to do all of that professional coding? libraries scopes and whatnot >_<

 

[Anachron]

interface TheInterface
     interface function call takes nothing returns nothing
endinterface

library Answers extends TheInterface
endlibrary

library AnswerToPost initializer init requires Answers

    globals
        private real X = 0.00
        private constant unit array Y[8191]
    endglobals

    struct Instance
        private string fun
        protected boolean try
        public unit hey

        public method test takes nothing returns nothing
        endmethod

        public static method test2 takes nothing returns nothing
        endmethod

        public stub method test3 takes nothing returns nothing
        endmethod
    endstruct

    private function init takes nothing returns nothing
    endfunction

endlibrary

You mean like getting what this things are supposed to do?
Not much, depends on your learn speed.

Writing will take longer, as you will need to get to know how to
code in vJASS.

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

thanks for your support )

 

[Reaper2008]

@Anachron: Don't get all VJASSy on him now, he just started. Plus, JASS can do what vJASS can (since vJASS converts to JASS). It's just harder to do some stuff.

 

[Element of Water]

It's not actually possible to do some things in normal Jass that you can do in vJass without changing the actual map script. You can't declare global boolexprs, triggers, etc, for example.

 

[Anachron]

I know that it is to much for him atm, but basicly thats most of what is awaiting, vJASS isn't that hard to learn.

 

[The Reborn Devil]

vJASS isn't hard to learn. I think the hardest part is to remember all the functions.

 

[HappyTauren]

yeah, especially since TESH completes them once you type first 3 letters.

 

[Anachron]

Actually thats pretty nice, just type faster, lol.
Anyway, I have no problems remembering them.

 

[Kricz]

After some time, you'll learn them if you use them a lot.
Also the required parameters, you just need to spend some time on it
And if you don't know a function, TESH has a functions list

 

[Element of Water]

Actually thats pretty nice, just type faster, lol.
Anyway, I have no problems remembering them.

He was being sarcastic.

Anyway, if I don't know a function, and I can't find it in the function list, I just convert it from GUI - simplez.

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

Thanks ) i created a good function for dps now )) hehe im a bit used to jass cus of custom script xD
btw elemental
i like how you got owned by Dr super good,

water of elemental, No. Rofl
dont worry he did that to me too xD

 

[Element of Water]

Thanks ) i created a good function for dps now )) hehe im a bit used to jass cus of custom script xD
btw elemental
i like how you got owned by Dr super good,

water of elemental, No. Rofl
dont worry he did that to me too xD

He does that to EVERYONE. He's just too good at it [/offtopic]

 

[Diehard@Azeroth]

hahahahaha

 

[The Reborn Devil]

I forgot the TESH thing
Before I used vJASS I had a little trouble at the beginning because I couldn't remember the function names, but I know them by heart now. But I don't need to any more because of TESH, lol.

 

[baassee]

usally after the common problem to remember is to null boolexprs, usally forgotten

 

[Deuterium]

Well actually in spell making you just use the same few functions OVER AND OVER AGAIN, so they get stuck to your mind...

 

[Starquizer]

To Diehard@Azeroth:

I am glad that you finally decided to learn JASS, its quit cool

 

[Deuterium]

Let's also not forget the fact that it's much easier then GUI, and funner to work with

 

[En_Fuego]

I'm not sure what your problems are, but I can use hashtables just fine in GUI.

I like vJASS a lot, especially since TESH basically writes code for you. But I don't use it as much because I tend to do a lot more Pascal coding than JASS coding and I get the two mixed up sometimes.

Has anyone else noticed that Pascal and JASS are very similar? Or is it just me?

Happy modding!