Adblock

[A Void]

Should there be any notifications when users disable ads using Ad Blocker? It should notify a person that disabling ad blockers on Hive would help support it.

something like: "If you like this site, we would ask you to disable Ad Blocker to help us maintain it in the future."

Other sites do this when they detect that ads have been blocked. Just a suggestion.

 

[Ralle]

I have thought about it too. People don't know that simply seeing the ads actually supports the site.

Thank you for the suggestion.

 

[hiphop4eva]

Yeah lol, I use adblock because youtube ads are annoying as buck, I should use them only in youtube.

 

[Daffa]

Add Hive to exclusion list for adblock (ABP for ex), so the ad keep showing.
Yeah, I like that and support the suggestion as well.

 

[Tauer]

Hadn't even thought of that. I actually use adblock. Added Hive to the exclusion list.

 

[hiphop4eva]

I just noticed my adblock only blocks the ads that appear before videos. Great

 

[Ralle]

Thanks guys. I appreciate it.

 

[Chaosy]

I for one do not like it. I was searching for some tv series online and found a site that streamed it. However.. "Please disable adblock to support the site and watch the video." I basically said "fuck of "and left instantly.

Though a notification isn't as serious, it's not really needed and just makes a site seem greedy (in my eyes). If one truly wants to support the site they will disable adblock or donate without such a notice.

 

[Ralle]

Chaosy, that's not really how it works.

This site is supported by ads. If you decide not to see the ads, you are stealing the content in a way. It's the same as if you went into a shop and just stole milk because you think the shop keeper is greedy by asking for money.

The Hive is not a business, so I don't take this very seriously, but I don't want to lose money on it. I am not losing money, but I am not getting rich either. I am basically working for free, but that is perfectly fine. I would rather have you use Adblock than leave the site.

 

[Tauer]

Also, I think a lot of people like me has Adblock installed to block more intrusive ads on other sites, but didn't think of disabling it here before. It hadn't even occurred to me before Void mentioned it. A message would be helpful in reminding people.

It takes one click to disable it here and it's not like the ads are very intrusive either.

 

[redsew]

I didn't read any of the other replies on this thread, but I thought I should just put out there.

The sites don't detect if you are using adblock.
It's a lot simpler than that...
For the part of the website that has ads, the web developers put in a background with the same size as the ad banner and put in a graphics design or text asking for them to enable the ads.

I can probably put out an html example of how it works if anyone want more details

 

[Chaosy]

Chaosy, that's not really how it works.

This site is supported by ads. If you decide not to see the ads, you are stealing the content in a way. It's the same as if you went into a shop and just stole milk because you think the shop keeper is greedy by asking for money.

The Hive is not a business, so I don't take this very seriously, but I don't want to lose money on it. I am not losing money, but I am not getting rich either. I am basically working for free, but that is perfectly fine. I would rather have you use Adblock than leave the site.

I know that ads keep all websites that don't require a fee to use alive. I am just saying that if someone asks of you to enable ads again, it seem greedy.
If I were to take your example I see it as the shop keeper asked you to pay a small fee for getting a free product. (In Sweden you can get free food samples in some big markerts. Basically just one chew.)

If I liked the product, I support it. Aka I donated to this site. If I didn't, well, too bad.

 

[A Void]

I can probably put out an html example of how it works if anyone want more details

That would be great if you could. Tough I already knew how it worked, put some text behind the Ads and when the Ad is blocked it would show text.

 

[Ralle]

Chaosy, this site is not free. That is the point. I am making you pay by viewing the ads but you decline to.

The same goes for Google products. They are not free. You just pay by seeing ads.

 

[Heinvers]

I noticed that it blocks the add here just now.
Well, I disabled AdBlock for this site. 'hope it's okay.

 

[Ash]

I agree with the idea of putting a generic banner up there, or a non-intrusive notification, about why disabling adblock for THW is good because it maintains the site. This is the important thing, here. Noone is looking to make some Zuckerberg-level money out of this, but everyone is looking to Keep The Hive Alive and let this community that we have here continue to grow, thrive and develop.

I have adblocker installed, but disabled for The Hive. As far as I see it, if you want to have adblocker enabled and donate, this is perfectly fine too.

 

[redsew]

I got a little bit lazy and pulled it off of another website, and it just gave me another idea on how this could be accomplished.

I was only looking at this in a html code base, but it also would work along the lines of javascripts.

<script type="text/javascript">
$(document).ready(function() {
	return;
	if ($("#fuba_content").height() == 0)
	{
		//$("#fuba").html ('<img width="728" height="90" src="URL TO BANNER">').show();
	}
	else
	{
		window.setTimeout (function() {
			//$("#fuba_container").css('background', 'url("URL TO BANNER") no-repeat center');
			//$("#fuba_container").css('cursor', 'pointer');
			//$("#fuba_container").click (function(e) { return;if (e.which == 1) window.location = 'THREAD LOCATION'; });
		}, 2500);
	}
});
</script>

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Using Adblock on your favorite Youtube channels is stealing, folks. Don't do it.

Seriously, you don't have to pay a cent for all the free content you're getting. And yet you deny content makers a compensation for their work even if it does not cost you anything? What for? So that you have to do one click less to get your free content?
If so, then you're a terrible person.

You are in the comfortable position that someone else (the ad company) is paying for the content that you enjoy. Don't be ungrateful dicks!


And yes, this applies to HiveWorkshop aswell. And in the case of Hive, the ads are so non-intrusive that it doesn't even add any convenience for you to block them!

 

[A Void]

Using Adblock on your favorite Youtube channels is stealing, folks. Don't do it.

Seriously, you don't have to pay a cent for all the free content you're getting. And yet you deny content makers a compensation for their work even if it does not cost you anything? What for? So that you have to do one click less to get your free content?
If so, then you're a terrible person.

You are in the comfortable position that someone else (the ad company) is paying for the content that you enjoy. Don't be ungrateful dicks!


And yes, this applies to HiveWorkshop aswell. And in the case of Hive, the ads are so non-intrusive that it doesn't even add any convenience for you to block them!

Agree.

 

[Gismo359]

I just realised I have stopped seing ads here. The one at the top is always black and unclickable. The only extension I have is Tampermonkey but Ive had that for a long time.

E:Well, you gotta be honest, those unskipable ads are very annoying on youtube. Especially when a 15 second video comes up on a 30 second video.

 

[A Void]

I just realised I have stopped seing ads here. The one at the top is always black and unclickable. The only extension I have is Tampermonkey but Ive had that for a long time.

E:Well, you gotta be honest, those unskipable ads are very annoying on youtube. Especially when a 15 second video comes up on a 30 second video.

Me too, it's black. Maybe some site update?

 

[GhostWolf]

Using Adblock on your favorite Youtube channels is stealing, folks. Don't do it.

Seriously, you don't have to pay a cent for all the free content you're getting. And yet you deny content makers a compensation for their work even if it does not cost you anything? What for? So that you have to do one click less to get your free content?
If so, then you're a terrible person.

You are in the comfortable position that someone else (the ad company) is paying for the content that you enjoy. Don't be ungrateful dicks!


And yes, this applies to HiveWorkshop aswell. And in the case of Hive, the ads are so non-intrusive that it doesn't even add any convenience for you to block them!

Disregarding how ads are being pushed in your face in every medium, which is annoying and I hate, and disregarding scam ads (that I got on the hive no less), if you specifically want to talk about Youtube, maybe I will be less willing to block them when they don't play ads at 1000% volume and blow up my ears. I also wouldn't worry too much about those "poor" ad companies, they get plenty of money, and the Android market is there for the reaping, since Google control it and doesn't allow for the installation of add-ons (gee, I wonder if this is related to ads?)
Over all, Google are the worst scum with ads, so no, I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Besides, nothing backed by ads is free. You just pay with your time and nerves instead.

 

[WhiteFang]

Me too, it's black. Maybe some site update?

Mine is only black sometimes,other times it isn't.

Anyway,I have THW whitelisted.I can't see why someone wouldn't.THW's adds aren't a problem,I barely notice them.

 

[Ardenian]

I can't see why someone wouldn't.THW's adds aren't a problem,I barely notice them.

Really ? Surprises me. Of course, they aren't that bad compared to other sites filled with ads, but I do notice the Hive ads, especially when entering the site for the first time.

I don't use Adblock anyways, but I am not sure whether a notification is the best solution. Maybe something neutral, not demanding, but slightly pushing an Adblock user towards enabling ads for Hive.

 

[Chaosy]

Anyway,I have THW whitelisted.I can't see why someone wouldn't.THW's adds aren't a problem,I barely notice them.

I despise ads. Thus I don't whitelist any site. I'd (much) rather pay a fee straight up, which I have done in this case.

I guess you could say it's more of a principle on my part as the ads on this site are actually pretty few and tiny.

 

[A Void]

I despise ads. Thus I don't whitelist any site. I'd (much) rather pay a fee straight up, which I have done in this case.

I guess you could say it's more of a principle on my part as the ads on this site are actually pretty few and tiny.

Well some sites do remove ads for a single user IP if he donated or brought premium stuff.

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Disregarding how ads are being pushed in your face in every medium, which is annoying and I hate, and disregarding scam ads (that I got on the hive no less), if you specifically want to talk about Youtube, maybe I will be less willing to block them when they don't play ads at 1000% volume and blow up my ears.

I get your point, but regardless, it's only a minor inconvenience for you to reduce the volume or click on "skip this ad" after 5 seconds.
Unskippable ads are a pain, I agree, but they only appear in front of 10+ minute videos anyway.

Besides, the volume thing only happens on channels that have an uploader who is unaware of things like audio normalization and compression. Channels with good editing are mostly equally as loud as the ads. Because that's how digital audio works.

I also wouldn't worry too much about those "poor" ad companies, they get plenty of money, and the Android market is there for the reaping, since Google control it and doesn't allow for the installation of add-ons (gee, I wonder if this is related to ads?)

Who in their right mind cares about the ad company? I'm talking about the guys uploading videos on youtube. These guys need the ad money to produce the content you enjoy.
Watching your favorite youtubers with Adblock will yield them no income, since they get a direct share of the ad revenue of Youtube.
If you watch millionaire dicks like PewDiePie, fine, no problem with that. But there's channels on Youtube that desperately need any admoney they can get, like cartoon channels or smaller LP channels. You need a massive amount of views to make a living with Youtube Videos. Every bit helps.

Over all, Google are the worst scum with ads, so no, I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Who the fuck talked about google or youtube? I don't give a shit about google's or youtube's stock market. But I do care about the people trying to make a living with youtube content. And it's those guys you are scamming, not the big company.

 

[PurgeandFire]

@Chaosy: I personally feel that the "greediness" you mention depends on the message. I agree, some messages try to guilt-trip you:
"Please support the site. Every ad blocked is expense-free cents that are denied to the site".

In that sense, yeah sometimes I'll feel a bit hostile towards those ads that make me feel bad. On the other hand, if the message says:
"Please consider supporting this site by disabling ad-block! ^_^ Kittens and baby foxes, so kawaii ლ(́◉◞౪◟◉‵ლ)"

I mean, who can feel bad about that? So I argue that it is about the delivery. I can totally understand where you're coming from (and a lot of websites have pretty guilt-trippy messages!), but I don't think it has to be that bad. And in your case, if you donated, you shouldn't feel guilty at all.