WW3: Nuclear Sunrise v1.34

[polita123]

about NUCLEAR SUNRISE

NC GAME i just have a request and a question (question) - when will you create nuclear sunrise 1.35? (request) -can you please add mother of all bombs (MOAB) of AMERICA and (FOAB) of Russia FAther Of All Bombs:

 

[sephiroth1234]

I checked your map in the editor and I noticed many leaks in which point/location leaks are dominant that makes your map to lag every few seconds. Please review the triggers and fix those in version 1.35.

Just keep the versions coming.... XD

 

[Ham Ham]

I got the idea of instead adding just a few more units to next version, I'll wait for Fingolin's bugfix release. Then add the new units and make a descent update. That's better than just doing a useless bump just to say this project is still alive.

 

[Fingolfin]

oh, well.. i can't say i have fixed them all, and i haven't cleaned the triggers that just could have been done more efficiently, but i guess i will published what i have then. haha.

Let me just do some last fixes and i will attatch it here.

 

[Ham Ham]

Take all the time you need, Fingolfin.


For now, there's something I've been discussing with Hugomath a few months ago, about changing the map name.

I got the idea in the past of changing it World War 3: Nuclear War. (It was arround the 1.20 version). If you check the Epicwar archive, you will notice that these two versions named as Nuclear War are the most downloaded ones.
So, to try giving new life and more popularity for the map, I suggest changing the name to Nuclear War again (or a more awesome name if you guys can find one).

Any ideas, gentlemen?

 

[Tleno]

Nuclear Apocalypse?
Global War: Nuclear War?
Global Conflict: Nuclear War?
Nuclear War: WW3?

What about these I just mentioned, gentlemen?

 

[Fingolfin]

They sound a bit generic imo, especially "Global War: Nuclear War", lol.
In that case, i would either go for the current name, or possibly "World War 3: Nuclear War".

 

[Hugomath]

In my opinion, the best option 'till now is "World War 3: Nuclear War".

 

[Tleno]

Maybe then:
World Conflict: Nuclear War?
Or:
WW3: Nuclear War?

Because then there would be two wars and that's as imo as one of my previous suggestions.

 

[Ham Ham]

WW3: Nuclear War seems to be the best so far.
About the thing of puting the word war twice in the name, I came up with the idea of WW3: Nuclear Assault, but some people wouldn't understand that, and I also want to keep the download success formula of the previous version called WW3 Nuclear War.

 

[Tleno]

I vote for WW3 NW then. It's the best.

Oh and bug report: Trade centers and oilwells are problematic to capture and they are not worth it. What about a new resource gathering system: There are Oil Spots that are like gold mines, you can build an oil rig building on them just like cursed mine. When you do this, you'll gain a monthly and quite major income from it. So what do you think about this, huh?

 

[polita123]

December 21st 2012 not December 23

 

[TKF]

Are u sure about calling it ww3: nuclear war? Does it contains a lot more nukes than in missile wars?

 

[Tleno]

Well, it's the most popular name for this map, so I think it fits. Funreals have fun in it, but they are not fun you know. It's just a marketing method to interest more... customers.

 

[Ham Ham]

I'll take the oil righ thing in consideration. But first of all, I must wait until fingolin post his bugfix version.

Well, it's the most popular name for this map, so I think it fits. Funreals have fun in it, but they are not fun you know. It's just a marketing method to interest more... customers.

Ya man! Marketing Move if you wanna know. With this one, we're gonna turn the table to our side, we gonna win big time now because... wtf I'm saying? lol

 

[Tleno]

There's no bussiness except Han Han business...

Talking about marketing, seriously, you should edit the income system...
And add another resource: population. Yes, those are your expandable citizens you get from occupied countries and which are used for training units. You can also name this resource Recruits if you're gonna use it only for army unit training.

 

[Fingolfin]

I think tlenos oil rig suggestion is brilliant. The one right now is actually quite boring.
I will send the map tonight, it is pretty much my last chance of doing it before i'm off to greece.

 

[Tleno]

Glad you liked my suggestions, Fingolfin.
Wait, so you got rid of all leaks? That's the thing we need mostly now...

 

[Fingolfin]

lol, hardly all of them, i removed one pretty big leak in the turret system, and i fixed the town capturing system to be more accurate. The previous system would only check when a units attack animation starts, which means that a unit can capture a building before he even hits it!
This new damage detection does not leak provided that the town units only change ownership, not become replaced. Even if it would leak though, it is only an event leak in a trigger that is rarely called though.
I would love to see this map hosted more on b-net, i've never gotten a chance to really play it :O

 

[Ham Ham]

Aww... Damn it! I lost post 666! In my own project!

The only problem is, with this new system, the Convoy Situations when players had to scout their oil trucks during the harvesting trips would be removed. But no problem at all. Even while testing against AI I never worried about Oil Trucks to gather it.

Population is not good. I already added it arround 1.20, and it sucked. Population just ends and people don't have a clue of what to do, then just left the game.

That's great news Fingolfin. Take the time you need and fix most bugs you can. This weekend will complete 1 year without updates, so, for the comeback, 1.35 must ROCK!

 

[Tleno]

No, I say that you buid wells on oil spots, but don't have to collect oil, it get's collected with trrigers, giving some cash for each well you have.

Hehe, I've fot the devilish post... will I get the 1337 too?

 

[Fingolfin]

I'm sorry, but i didn't manage to upload the map before i left. But the work i did was very simple, so if you want, you can work on the map until i get home and then paste it to me, and i can remake the fixes. It would be done in less than 10 minutes.

 

[polita123]

What will be the new name of this map?

 

[Hugomath]

I think will be WW3: Nuclear War.

By the way, just to tell you guys: Today I was walking on the street, when I passed by a toy shop. So I looked inside, just for curiosity, and then I saw this toy, which made me so mad... It was an AH-64 Apache, but it was white and red... and it was written "Fire Department" in the side... Ok, I almost said a few rude words, but I'll pass. I just said that to show you guys how dumb people can be...

 

[Tleno]

Well, good thing it was not colored in rainbows...
Yes, Ham (Han?) tolkd us already it will be WW3: NW.

 

[Ham Ham]

Yes, this will be called WW3 Nuclear War.

I'm sorry, but i didn't manage to upload the map before i left. But the work i did was very simple, so if you want, you can work on the map until i get home and then paste it to me, and i can remake the fixes. It would be done in less than 10 minutes.

Okay, I'll work on the units and after finish it, I'll wait for you.

Any idea when you will get back to home? (Weeks, months?)

 

[Fingolfin]

This monday. Technically tuesday.

 

[RiotZ]

Isn't it Al-Qaeda?

It's actually al-Qaeda the A isn't capitalized.

 

[Risgn]

Very nice map but founded a bug with f-10 phantom. The bug is that the selection scale is way bigger than the plane. try check it out and you find out what i mean otherwise awesome map thumbs up (;

 

[Hugomath]

Got news: the T-95 has been cancelled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-95#Cancellation

 

[Tleno]

So what? This game doesn't have to be so precise and realistic you know. Please in this game, it's a world war. If a world war would start, Russia would continue the T95 project.

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Glad to see this up and running again, lets give some suggestions for Ham Ham to improve

 

[Tau Empire]

Glad to see this up and running again, lets give some suggestions for Ham Ham to improve

You got any suggestions?

I'm not even on Hive anymore, I just get email replies and that's about it lol. Other than a zombie mode that's already in it why not a alien invasion

 

[Hugomath]

Ham Ham is waiting for Fingolfin attach the WW3 version without some of the bugs or something. I'll ask Ham Ham about this map though.

 

[Tau Empire]

Without bugs? Like that's even possible lol.

 

[Hugomath]

Well at least with some of the bugs fixed.

 

[Fingolfin]

Ok, i think i got rid of the worst stuff now


Here's a list of the updates:

*Changed the unit grouping method of all AoE spells and quickloads from square to circular (i have no idea why you would want it square anyways). It should now be faster and more logical.

*Added expiration timers for dummy units instead of the rather lame "[wait X seconds then remove unit]"

*Placed all actions that did the same thing except for different players inside loops.

*Added a more precise event for capturing cities. It should now not be exploitable.

*Removed literally hundreds of location leaks; the map should now be actually playable for more than 5 minutes.

 

[Hugomath]

Nice. Are you going to update more stuff?

 

[Fingolfin]

I will overlook the AI system and see if it can be optimized (there's obviously something wrong with it!), but i will have to leave the rest to ham ham. A least now the map is playable without too much lag.

I also noted that the updated version can be player with three bots instead of just two, i hope to make that more.

 

[Hugomath]

I can't capture countries. The country doesn't go to the capturing player.

EDIT: Its only captured if belongs to neutral passive.

 

[Fingolfin]

Oh.. will check that out.
Actually, i thought in the first map that countries could only be captured by soldiers.

EDIT: I was right, it is Ham Ham who has triggered it so that only soldiers can capture cities. I can change it so that tanks can capture them too if you want.

 

[Hugomath]

Lol I already knew that, but I meant that I can't capture anything, independent of which unit I use, it doesn't come to me. Only if the country is from Neutral Passive, which can only be done by destroying the country (using large squadrons of bombers or tactical nukes). Then, I can capture even with ships.

 

[Fingolfin]

Strange.. it works for me when playing alone. Especially since i barely touched those triggers.

Try this one instead, it contains the latest bugfixes at least and i solved a bug that prevented PoW's to be spawned (caused by me, lol)

 

[Hugomath]

I played multiplayer, but it was me and friend against AI. I'll test this new one though, will report as soon as I can.

 

[Tau Empire]

Jesus I forgot how many pages there are for this map. Any who I was just gonna say this, I'm "borrowing" this map to make a mini-scenario based on this map, basically almost all the units stays, just the terrain is different and the story could be more or less needed. Starting off with North Korea vs South Korea lol. So if anyone is interested just PM me or something... don't try to reply here cause I sometimes don't get emails from this. If you really want to contact me you should in Warcraft Unlimited.

 

[Carter_117]

hmmm can you fix the income system? i read the oil wells post and it seems rather good however with nukes destroying cities, all you have to do is lets say nuke washington and the entire american "country" income is gone... while if you nuke say london in europe the teal player doesnt lose all his income... it just seems abit problematic so maybe more cities? or a way to simply "build" your income such as oil wells on oil spots or you can build your own commerical centres etc.

 

[vegetation]

Hey! This map rocks (Ive already said it so many times), but could you add some snow on Quebec? I feel like its not Quebec because we have a lot of snow here
Thanks

Edit: Also, for the vehicles that can transport units, could you make some kind of skill that you can make it automatic or disable it that would make the vehicle drop the units? Because I hate the way it drops the units where I don't want.

 

[Fingolfin]

So.. do you have snow in hte summer aswell?
I'd say you should be consequent in what season the map is terrained is. If it's in the winter, then sure, add snow to the top half of europe, if it's summer, keep it to the mountains and poles.

 

[Tau Empire]

Hey! This map rocks (Ive already said it so many times), but could you add some snow on Quebec? I feel like its not Quebec because we have a lot of snow here
Thanks

Edit: Also, for the vehicles that can transport units, could you make some kind of skill that you can make it automatic or disable it that would make the vehicle drop the units? Because I hate the way it drops the units where I don't want.

You're terrible >.> there's only snow in Quebec when it's winter not all the time so why should there be snow?

 

[Tleno]

You're terrible >.> there's only snow in Quebec when it's winter not all the time so why should there be snow?

I'm pretty sure he didn't meant whole year or he meant to add some snow just for aesthetics... actually snow would make it look quite good...