I am a BIG fan of WW2 maps. Unfortunately this map sort of let me down....
Before you say: " Another troll guy......" I do HAVE suggestions and questions for you.
(So far I have tested USA USSR and Germany)
Tanks move slower then infantry. I have issue with this as I could not use rushing tactics since my man would go ahead of the tanks and......I hate bunkers.....
And I confirm this and a flat plain run.
What you should do is:
Light tanks go way faster. But cut their armor or fire-power by just a bit.
Mediums should go faster the infantry but slower then light's.
Heavy's should go just a bit faster then infantry, so they can support them although rough terrain would slow them down.
And oh for USA heavies you should go with the M26 Pershing. M18 actually is a tank destroyer not a heavy tank. In fact it's armor is thinner the the Stuart.
Panzer I only has machine guns. Change the name to Panzer II. Your model looks like it anyway XD.
The priest needs a longer range. Just add 150 and it will do.. I think.
Dive Bombers only have ONE bomb. Make that ONE attack more deadly. I used dive bombers the blow up whole armies......Including the flaks.
Planes should be weaker. I mean the dive bombers and fighters. Bombers are fine.
AT guns should deal less damage to Infantry and more to tanks. AT guns aren't scaring of people enough.....
Same goes to the bunkers. It's possible to win the game with Soldier and a couple of Flamers. (Hence the name World In Flames??)
Yeah so far you need to fix these. I really like how it's presented. It's just toooooooooooooo slow. And Good Luck. Happy New YEAR!!!~
Oh, sorry. Merry Christmas.
I pretty much disagree with everything you just said.
*Tanks are supposed to move slower than infantry - it is frankly the greatest benefit that infantry has, and mobility in general was a very crucial aspect of infantry combat. They can sneak past defenses and take cities very quickly and easily outflank the enemy, especially if used with transport trucks. Tanks in the real was were often much slower than infantry, especially the heavy tanks, and especially in terrain. If anything i agree that the light tank could be faster, just cause of it's role, but then it just so happens that it is! (160 speed of light tank and 125 of infantry). Medium tanks are equal in speed to infantry which still is not bad. Heavy tanks are slow since they are meant to be used in a more defensive role. I might agree that light tanks should be weaker though, but i also believe that has already been fixed in the upcoming build.
*In-game, the M18 is actually named "tank destroyer", just like every other tank labeled as "heavy tank" in this thread. The Tiger Tank is currently the only one labeled as "heavy tank". Also, the pershing was not put in until very late and is not a very prominent tank of ww2. The M18 is currently balanced as the fastest but least resiliant of the tank destroyers.
*It is called Panzer I because that is the model i made. I could agree that you would rather have a tank with a barrel (the Panzer I was outdated by the start of the war) but when i made it i figured a tank with machineguns would seem more fit as an anti-infantry tank than one with a cannon.
*Artillery is already very strong, especially when used to guard river crossings. Since artillery are on tracks in this map, it doesn't matter if their range is that long as long as they outrange any kind of static defenses or other units in general. This is the first time i am satisfied with the balance of artillery, so i will not change it - if you had played against mass art in the beta you would agree.
*Seriously.. that would require a huge load of micro from the players side (i already have a stretch microing my heavy bombers), and it would take all the versatility away from them. I know it is not realistic, but it gives them a very clear role in the game, and besides, their bombs do crap damage in my opinion (it takes several bombs to kill a single infantryman). Planes are also extremely fragile and vulnerable to the AoE damage of the flaks, if you have a blob of planes against 3-4 flaks/flak jeeps, you will get blown up in seconds. Planes are very expensive, and loosing a group of them in a single fly-by is a huge loss. In extract, if you have the habit of keeping a small group of AA jeeps in your army, you will be safe from dive bombers - they are mainly used harass enemies that lack that kind of air cover. Fighter planes are also brutally effective against dive bombers and will take them down fast if you react in time. Fighters need to be strong to be effective in the first place, since you have to account for the time it takes for them to launch and reach their target, and the fact that you sacrifice storage space that could have been used for bombers. Otherwise, people (me anyways) wouldn't use them.
*I MIHGT agree on the AT guns, but to be honest, if you place them on the enemys flank or rear, their penetration damage might insta-kill a tank or disable it severly. They are also dirt cheap and are a nice buy for when you are short on oil. I don't think AT guns should be any more fearsome than tanks themselves, since they are basically just the barrel on wheels, and currently they deal more damage to a heavy tank than a normal medium tank would. They are also crap against infantry and have been all along, although in the real war they were often used in anti-infantry roles (loaded with canister rounds, effectively turning it into a giant shotgun).
*I don't know what bunkers you have been facing, but they are hellish to me and kill off infantry very easily. Flamers are good vs bunkers simply because they are supposed to be - it is the only way infantry can take on them (and yet, flamers often die before they reach them because of their crap range). Also, flamers are inherently crap against anything that isn't infantry or structure.
A bunker can kill small groups of light and even medium tanks, and if backed up by a repairing engineer, they can hold the line for very long. I often resort to heavy bombers or artillery if i want to take on those bunkers, and if they were any more effective, it would be too easy to build invincible walls of them.
And what with the game being slow?
It takes a long time to play, yes, but the pace is tremendous. Units move quickly, planes fly fast, and tanks explode in short sequence. With well-planned surprise attack from the sea or through a hole in the line, borders can shift incredibly quick. The game is very rewarding for bold plans which is what i love about it. Combining different types of units is completely crucial for succeding and every aspect just ties together to a greater image (especially now with merchant system coming!).
Thank you for sharing your thoughts though, and merry christmas to yourself!
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