Which do you think is the worst and/or weakest Warcraft 3 hero?

[Footman16]

Guldan is definitely the worst hero he may do 112 - 125 damage but stun him and he dies quicker than you can say "keeper of the grove sucks".

Anyway on topic I would say Blood Mage because he really is just a CnP of the archmage and I would rather take archmage, pally and mk than boast two intelligence heroes. Of course archmage and blood Mage could be switched but archmage has more diversity.

 

[takakenji]

blood mage a cnp of archmage WTF

 

[Wazzz]

yeah, and the spellbreaker is a cnp of the footman

and the chimera is a cnp of the archer

 

[Footman16]

Well he is you've got flame strike which is like blizzard except it can't target air units.
They both summon a unit and a horde of water elementals that can be used early and late games is by far more useful than a late game Phoenix that can easily be taken down with any amount of good tactics.

Siphon mana yeah can have its uses but brilliance aura is in my opinion more useful.

And mass teleport means you never need a town scroll again, that and banish can only be used to save one of you units from most attacks or as a bad alternative to polymorph.

 

[SonicFlare101]

I have to agree with footman. Plus with flame strike you get time to get out the way.
Although isn't the Phoenix like the only summon able air unit?

 

[trolman]

I agree with the opinion that the bloodmage sucks, and i completly agree with Footman16's post and would like to add that Mass teleport is more than just a town scroll spell, it's bloody briliant, just send an invisible knight to the enemy's base and teleport with an army of Seige Engines/Motar and watch the fireworks.

 

[GhostThruster]

blood mage imo wud be better for a tri-hero vs undead. banish + light + bolt = a nuke that rivals impale + coil + nova. plus, its slightly higher in HP than the archmage, and it is suicide to get a weak hero vs undead.

 

[Footman16]

depends on what items you give him circlet and periapt of vitality if youve got free inventory space is a good tactic.

 

[RiotZ]

Archmage + Bloodmage ftw.

 

[GhostThruster]

no archmage + blood mage is as stupid as knights + footmen build. if ur going for a second hero, go mk.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Actually footmen, knight and priest tactic is pretty good with Archmage, Mountain Knight and Paladin.

Also sometimes in larger battles like 4v4 I like to use Archmage, Bloodmage and Pit Lord for the AoE abilities. Total destruction!

 

[GnomeDefender]

no archmage + blood mage is as stupid as knights + footmen build. if ur going for a second hero, go mk.

Truth. However, if you did footies + knights + priests + spellcaster, and do the right proportions, you have a pretty strong combination.

 

[trolman]

But unless your oponent does mass riflemen/nerubians/archers/trolls - footmen become obsolite after you get knights.

 

[GhostThruster]

even then knight's speed and extra tankiness make up for the lack of defend

 

[Aeroblyctos]

But unless your oponent does mass riflemen/nerubians/archers/trolls - footmen become obsolite after you get knights.

Of course you won't do footmen when you can train knights.

even then knight's speed and extra tankiness make up for the lack of defend

What you mean? Knight has the best armor value in the game(heroes not counted). But they do not have that much hit points compared to other tier 3 units.

 

[GhostThruster]

i was responding to trolman's post. even when your opponent masses ranged, though the knight lacks the defend ability, it more than makes up for this with better armor and speed.

 

[rulerofiron99]

Against mass piercing, Footmen are more cost-effective than Knights. At the end of the day, all strategy games are about economy, so no, Footmen don't become obsolete.

 

[Mgeterno11]

I agree with all your posts. Yes, we decide differetly how a hero is useful or not. I think it depends on controlling them. However, Bloodmage dies too fast, and weak otherwise you keep him away form units. His banish spell is useful for strong enemy units and even your units when they are nearly dead.

Knights in large group can be strong, but can also harmed by faefire fire, slow, shockwave. And just surround them and they die much faster.

 

[Vengeful]

I really agree with you.
But the Death Knight is really weak, it can be killed quickly when melee units surrond him and ranged units. And i know i should use teleporting away, but the dk loses hitponts so quickyl that when i am about to move him away and tp away, he is already dead. I mean, he should have 4 armor instead of 3. The same goes to demon hunter.

Hello all!

See I have a friend who played with DeathKnight. I want to make you sure that you can't hit him with even god!

every heros is equal. and it's completely depends on your desire and gameplay.

In my opinion Bloodmage(bloodelf on human race) and Warden (maeve shadowsong on elven race) are the best on my gameplay.

And the Deamon hunter(Illiden on elven race), Paladin(human race) and all Undead heros are the worst on my gameplay.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

every heros is equal. and it's completely depends on your desire and gameplay.

Definitely not.

In my opinion Bloodmage(bloodelf on human race) and Warden (maeve shadowsong on elven race) are the best on my gameplay.

And the Deamon hunter(Illiden on elven race), Paladin(human race) and all Undead heros are the worst on my gameplay.

First you say everything is equal but then you say that some are better?

 

[Xonok]

Blood mage is how noobs are ripped apart.
If you say it dies too easily... then you must be using it as a tank, which is stupid in any case.

 

[saphiree]

Definitely not.

Agreed.

First you say everything is equal but then you say that some are better?

He said what he is better and worse with, as he clearly believes all heroes are equal it just depends on your game style.

 

[Vengeful]

Thank you Saphiree. I exatly told that.

I didn't told that some are better than other. I told IN MY GAME PLAY those are good and those are not!

Xonok! I'm totaly agree with you.
I don't know why someone may use a mage for tank role.
There is a magic in bloodmage talents who make an enemy become ghost form wich is unabble to attack and damaged. Thin level is to make rash lighter or run away from toch palce of enemy. not just stand and look at your turning apart.

 

[Xonok]

If you are fast or your enemy is slow, then it might be possible to first banish an enemy and then flamestrike it. Even if it's a hero that might run away, banish also slows afterall and makes the enemy weaker to magic.

 

[aZaZel]

Blood Mage, for me, is one of the strongest heroes in Warcraft 3. With his Siphon Mana Ability, he can empty the mana of some dangerous heroes such as Tauren Chieftain, Paladin, Dreadlord, and etc. He can use Banish spell on his enemy or himself to avoid him attacking or getting attack by physical attacks when the enemy unit is under Banish spell, he can cast Siphon Mana or Flame Strike (the enemy will be slowed due to Banish by that the enemy will hardly get off from the burnong ground) or by the attacks of Phoenix. Please don't underestimate Blood Mage.

The weakest hero for me is Death Knight. When I use Arthas in the Undead Campaign, it'so difficult when you fight off those humans. His abilities are quite useless. Maybe, Death Knights are only used in support.

Anyway, all heroes are equally strong, it really depends on how you use the hero. If Tauren Chieftain is stronger than Blademaster and Blademaster is less strong and has poor abilities, that wouldn't be fair. Gamers will use Tauren Chieftain instead of Blademaster. And the poor guy will be ignored over and over again. So, in my comprehension, Blade master is more agile and cunning so he is always used as a Killer or spy, then tc is used for tank.

 

[trolman]

Not really, Death pact when massing necromancer makes this guy pritty unkillable, also his ult is very powerful if you manage to collect the strongest corpses to ressurect.

 

[aZaZel]

Not really, Death pact when massing necromancer makes this guy pritty unkillable, also his ult is very powerful if you manage to collect the strongest corpses to ressurect.

When I play as Arthas (evil) in his first mission, my creeps are only ghouls, then a large group of footmen appeared, my gouls are dead even I try to heal them or use their hp. Poor ghouls.... I get killed also.

Madapa ka din

 

[trolman]

Well in the first mission you just have to find all the acolytes, and avoid the footmen. Try runing/hiding from the majority.

 

[takakenji]

why would u decide a heros usefulness from a level in the campaign that u arnt suppose to fight in

 

[Wazzz]

tyrande was pretty OP in that campaign mission where there was a buttload of demons

i should have died but i kept going invisible

i think it's a bit broken

 

[saphiree]

tyrande was pretty OP in that campaign mission where there was a buttload of demons

i should have died but i kept going invisible

i think it's a bit broken

 

[Vengeful]

Why you may chose a hero who can't fight and his ability is runing away and be hidden from enemy?

This is a talent. I agree. But come on. Arthas havn't any atractive talent. It's just death coil.

Why you should chose a pitty choclate when you can chose a great one?

 

[trolman]

Why you may chose a hero who can't fight and his ability is runing away and be hidden from enemy?

This is a talent. I agree. But come on. Arthas havn't any atractive talent. It's just death coil.

Why you should chose a pitty choclate when you can chose a great one?

 

[Wazzz]

i agree with trolman

death knight is actually one of the most used Undead heroes and is generally seen with the Lich and the Dark Ranger, Dark Ranger usually being the third hero in the Undead Tri-Hero Combination

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Death Knights is and has always has been the most used Undead hero. Death Coil is a superb useful ability and the aura is useful to catch up enemy heroes, surround and kill them.

 

[Wazzz]

and we can't forget Death Pact, which is handy as a last resort to get out of some sticky situations

but death coil and unholy aura are usually what people use as Death Knight, which are both immensely useful being that Death Coil does damage to all enemy living opponents and can heal any friendly Undead units (not mechanical ones. like meat wagon. or obsidian statues.)

 

[trolman]

Just get necromancers and sacrifice skelletons for

his ult is epic too just ressurect 12 motar teams, go in the enemy base, target his caste/tree/stronghold/necropilis and watch him QQ at the cheese you just made

 

[GhostThruster]

lol to the guy saying dk is bad.
heres a list of STRONGEST wc3 heroes;
1. jesus
2. warden
3. death knight
4. blademaster
5. demon hunter
6. ????????
98. wurt's other leg
99. alchemist

dk is literally a super unit. i mean the melee agi heroes are stronger than him 1v1, but the dk is a utility hero that is capable by himself (coil works as a nuke, pact, as survival) AND able to support a huge army. his only weak point is his ulti, which is too inaccessible and is also kinda counter-intuitive (invuln units means they cant tank + requirement for corpses means its useless vs mass air/tanks). i wud only make jesus and warden stronger coz
a) jesus can walk on water
b) warden can out-DPS the dk's heal/support, and lvl 10 warden is pretty much gg unless ur constantly silencing her

 

[Wazzz]

demon hunter and forest warden at third?

(lord of cript at second?)
(doesn't use lich hero?)
(doesn't use taven heroes unless not playing serious?)

enter - the n00b

 

[GhostThruster]

well it depends on ur strat. if u were going mass gargs + ghouls id go dk and dl.

 

[trolman]

But Priestes's aura is OP aswell, 30% damage increase is sweet, most of the night elves are ranged, anyway.

 

[aZaZel]

MY BEST HEROES

Tauren Chieftain is very dangerous when his War Stomp is on its full power. If you have several potions of mana with you, you can stun land units attacking you right after you stun them. if you used up your Reincarnation, it's better to go to the back of your units or retreat if you don't have back up....

Paladin is the best defensive Hero, he can support his allies to defend or to attack with Holy Light, his aura, and Resurrection. To defend himself, he can use Divine Shield to make himself invulnerable to attacks. It's important to have potions of mana with you, or not, this hero's effort will die early.....

Demon Hunter is my favorite Night Elf hero. When surrounded by land units, he can turn on Immolation to weaken them and Evasion to evade attacks. Mana Burn is to deplete mana of dangerous Heroes and other units. Metamorphosis is used to finish them.

Dreadlord is my favorite Undead hero. Use Sleep ability to stop dangerous units. Infernal as cover. With your Carrion Swarm and aura, you can kill your enemies while they're busy attacking your Infernal. Don't let your Infernal get killed out there, so, you must take care of your cover.

All of these guys are weak and useless if you don't use them well and have large amount of mana or supply of potions of mana. Items you found from the dead neutrals are handy and can make your heroes unstoppable...

 

[Wazzz]

sleep is a terrible ability on account of people being able to micro a weak hit against whichever one of their units was put to sleep to wake them up again

as for items making these heroes useful, items apply to all heroes

 

[aZaZel]

Just get necromancers and sacrifice skelletons for

his ult is epic too just ressurect 12 motar teams, go in the enemy base, target his caste/tree/stronghold/necropilis and watch him QQ at the cheese you just made

It's more epic when you collect all the races using a banshee. Just possess a careless peasant/peon, wait, can you possess a wisp... Dark Ranger will charm it. Death Knight is good after all... When you have the orcs, use tc as tank. Or you have the humans, use paladin as defense.... With the orcs on your side, train demolishers as siege units, taurens as first line offense. From humans, use their aerial units as support, mortar teams as siege (as you say), knights as taurens' helpers.

 

[Wazzz]

might have eluded your notice, but there is a short population cap preventing too many of these units being slapped together

unsure as to why you would want demolishers AND mortar teams, or knights AND taurens, that seems very unnecessary

 

[trolman]

Well race stealing had its prime in starcraft, now everything is set to 100. Atleast now with the Dark Ranger, all the races can, which opens a way for some very intresting tactics.

---edit

damn ninja'd

 

[aZaZel]

sleep is a terrible ability on account of people being able to micro a weak hit against whichever one of their units was put to sleep to wake them up again

You know, hold on those peskyies for a while then kill 'em next. Or use it as an escape.

 

[trolman]

well sleep is pritty cheap, just use it to stop chaneling spells...

 

[Xonok]

One bad thing about sleep is that it gets instantly cancelled by disease cloud. So abominations and meat wagons will take a lot more care to use without making sleep nearly pointless.

 

[GhostThruster]

sleep works with ghoul surrounds, and wastes apm. perhaps a longer invuln period so the unit cant get woken straight away helps.