What is wrong with DotA?

[TheDivineBoss]

Death Knight: Has uber regen spell + shield.
Troll Warlord: Agi + Melee mode (so that's Stun) = Uber.
I think mapmakers should make less agility heroes and more intelligence or strenght ones.

 

[Razorbrain]

I dont recall the Death Knight having a regen spell, atleast not one he can cast on himself

except for Shield + Ulti, but then he needs to take damage

yeah, but the warlord is imba in -em games

 

[Videosurfer101]

I haven't been able to play it in a looooong time for downloading reasons, (those jerks).
It sucks because of the people, like said. I did see Icefrog enter a game of dota once, he was like "Heeeeeeeeey how y'all like my game!!?!" And no one said anything so he left, it was funny.

 

[emperor_d3st]

Yea, and IceFrog appearing in a random noname game on B.net... well the chances are... Around 26-28%. Wow you were lucky. I almost thought that some retarded bored kid was having fun with a namespoofer.
WWW.Getdota.com
If you want to download the game then download it from there. Anyone who tries to download that crap from game lobbys should be shot or kicked from the game.
By the way. I don't understand why people enter games with titles "PRO" or "PROFESSIONAL" or "SKILLED" when they just started playing then whine after they got kicked or flamed. Sorry, but if this happened to you then they are right, you are not. You screwed 9 other people's game with your ignorance and stupidity.

Agility heroes in Dota are more and more boring the closer you get to the end of the game. You just right click to attack your prey and that's it. Most of the intelligence heroes are getting crappier the closer you get to the end of the game. Playing STR heroes are boring, at least I hate them.

-em (easymode) games are for easy players. Imbalanced, bad, lame.

Death Knight is a great hero for one single reason: If you are a weak player it's weak, if you are a skilled player it's mediocre, if you are creative and smart it is very strong. It doesn't have any regen spells. It has an ulti+shield combo for a few seconds that regenerates all damage that was dealt to you for 3/4/5 seconds.

 

[Andriejj]

made me laugh. DoE Is thousands of times better scripted than DotA, in fact, most TRIGGERS in DotA are in GUI.

If you make RagingSpeedHorn play a game of DoE, you're divine. He has never played it and wills not to, that's what he says at least. Renown amongst mapmakers, his friends hailing this map (Fulla, me, apparently You), it's all nothing for him xD He's prejudiced because of AotZ (which I don't like either) and his opinion about the creator.

Ontopic: this should've been made a multiple choice poll. I'd vote for: it's poorly made map, DoE > DotA (also few other AoS maps), it takes up place on Battle.net, I hate people who play it. In that order. Therefore, I voted for poorly made map.

As for Death Knight - ye, he's cool, on of the few heroes in DotA that don't suck ass, but that's not really what the thread is about

 

[Razorbrain]

i believe the death knight only regenerates as much as the shield can take, but im not that sure

 

[LordXavier]

The only problem with DotA is that I suck at it. Otherwise I would like it and play it.

 

[~Void~]

DoE may be well-scripted, but it's one of those maps where everything is so confusing until you play it many times. Colored tooltips don't bloody help. The item system is fuxxed up. The spells are fuxxed up.

DotA is simple, easy to learn, but hard to master, a lot like Warcraft so that it's not too hard to pick up, sure it may not be well-scripted but I have played both maps many many times and I think DotA is twice as fun. So what if it's in GUI? IT WORKS. Good jassers don't do shit for a map if they can't even make it fun. =\

 

[Andriejj]

Void, your post is full of failure. Play DoE 1.09 and look at the tooltips. They are as simple and clear as possible, no chance you won't understand.

 

[~Void~]

It doesn't rip off its spells =\

How can you rip off stuff like "magic missile" anyways?!

 

[Lord_T]

Honestly, I believe anyone who voted "Poorly Made" is just jumping on the bandwagon and needs to play it before they judge it.

DotA is very well-made. It may lack credit for spells, and most of it's community has the intellectual capacity of a dead gerbil, but it's not ALL bad.

It's pretty well-balanced, but many skills are very situational, and people Q_Q because they got raped by someone who abstains from using their ultimate until a definate kill opportunity.

I personally like DotA, but hate it's community, and the way it's sucked BNet dry of map diversity, for the most part, But really.

BNet wouldn't be half as populated as it is now if not for DotA.

 

[StasMaN]

I hate DotA fans , not DotA itself ^^

 

[Belgarath]

I have a friend, eMoo, who once opened dota and looked at the spells. He said they sucked ass. He is a pro JASSer and what not. Shortly afterwards, a dota addict came into our clan channel and raved on about how awesome dota is 'it is simple, it is balanced, it is beautiful'. And then he said that because it was popular, it was better than any map eMoo could make. I disagreed - and it's true. Dota is not a good map just because it is popular. It's popular because I have no idea why. It's for seriousness, retardedness and for tournaments. A real, good WC3 map would be for fun. Friendship, fun and enjoyment. Not 'I AM MORE PRO THAN U U SUCK'. But rather, 'Heh, lol, I got you there ^^'. Unfortunately, that time is over. That's why I hate Dota.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

Not 'I AM MORE PRO THAN U U SUCK'. But rather, 'Heh, lol, I got you there ^^'. Unfortunately, that time is over. That's why I hate Dota.

Couldn't agree anymore

 

[Lord_T]

I have a friend, eMoo, who once opened dota and looked at the spells. He said they sucked ass. He is a pro JASSer and what not. Shortly afterwards, a dota addict came into our clan channel and raved on about how awesome dota is 'it is simple, it is balanced, it is beautiful'. And then he said that because it was popular, it was better than any map eMoo could make. I disagreed - and it's true. Dota is not a good map just because it is popular. It's popular because I have no idea why. It's for seriousness, retardedness and for tournaments. A real, good WC3 map would be for fun. Friendship, fun and enjoyment. Not 'I AM MORE PRO THAN U U SUCK'. But rather, 'Heh, lol, I got you there ^^'. Unfortunately, that time is over. That's why I hate Dota.

1) When you unprotect a map, don't the triggers get wfpwnt?

2) It's popular because it's fun. Just because people act like dicks in the map doesn't mean you have to take it seriously. Sometimes I start with a giant dickwad personality, but none of my friends take me seriously, hopefully nobody does.
It's all in (the new)good fun.

3) Not all DotArds are dicks....

 

[Lucianus]

Alright to be honest, the major problem is DoTA's players, especially Asia players. Lack of ethics and morales.

I'm just disgusted everytime I step into an internet cafe and found everyone's playing DoTA, with noobish screams everywhere.

 

[StasMaN]

1) When you unprotect a map, don't the triggers get wfpwnt?

2) It's popular because it's fun. Just because people act like dicks in the map doesn't mean you have to take it seriously. Sometimes I start with a giant dickwad personality, but none of my friends take me seriously, hopefully nobody does.
It's all in (the new)good fun.

3) Not all DotArds are dicks....

It is not ''fun''. There is no actual balance between heroes because IceFrog care s about quantity of the heroes , not their quality , items are overpowered and dota fans suck . And ALL DotArds are dicks , that's a fact

 

[The_wand_mirror]

Stupid question.

My Narotu map has better spelpax than DotA and I think DotA people should learn to appreciate good spelz!

 

[Lord_T]

It is not ''fun''. There is no actual balance between heroes because IceFrog care s about quantity of the heroes , not their quality , items are overpowered and dota fans suck . And ALL DotArds are dicks , that's a fact

Wow dude. It's one thing to bash a map, but don't be insulting people that like it. That's just plain rude, you damn nublet.

Yes, there is a large number of heroes in the map, but there is a vague concept of balance between them, believe it or not.

Please point out 1 item that is overpowered.

Kthx bai.

 

[Sabertooth]

I know a few cool DotA players.
Seriously, I think it might just be some of the people in public games that are asses, I don't know about more organized stuff. (Like TDA on Azeroth)
I don't like the standard pubbie jackass-ness or the fact that I have to rely on items. To do anything.

EDIT: Wasn't this thread closed? Or was that another one?

 

[StasMaN]

Wow dude. It's one thing to bash a map, but don't be insulting people that like it. That's just plain rude, you damn nublet.

Yes, there is a large number of heroes in the map, but there is a vague concept of balance between them, believe it or not.

Please point out 1 item that is overpowered.

Kthx bai.

For example , that recipe which gives +11 HP regen and +5 str , or The Butterfly , and there are lot more

 

[Lord_T]

You have to farm all game to get items like The Butterfly and Heart of Torrasaque.

 

[Deathlust]

Here's an idea if you don't find DotA fun because of the "retards that go around killing everything" - Get better and go play in upper tiers. It's a lot more fun whenever it isn't just pub heroes going around killing stuff. You might be surprised at how so many roles come out of so many heroes with so many similarities.

 

[StasMaN]

Nah , I'm a person that understands difference between a game , and that game's MAP/MOD , call it w/e u like ;D

Oh and I am NOT saying that DotA is low quality map , it's quality is really high ,

 

[Razorbrain]

there is really no item in DotA that gives +11 hp regen and +5 str, but whatever

the Butterfly? hmm, lets see, 6000 gold cost.....

3 Blademails..... 5310 and that gives 20x3% Dmg Return,+15 Armor and +45 Dmg and with my 600 gold left i buy Boots so i run faster than you

Heart of Tarrasque? Lets see, 5500 gold cost.....

then i would prob go with a Helm of Dominator and a Messerschmidts Reaver, which costs a total of 5050 and then ill throw in a pair of boots aswell(+20 Dmg, 15% lifesteal, 5 armor, 25 str and can control a centaur with warstomp), i could get even more before you got your Heart

its not the items that are overpowered, its how you use them, example, getting a Hand of Midas(+35% attack speed + Transmute ability for those who dont know) in early game doesnt seem that good for some people, but considering what money you will get later, its quite a good deal(meaning, you use one item to get other items faster) if you can use it well

now i know there examples were bad, considering "who goes for Butterfly or Heart for first item?" but i just proved my point. Good players usually buy some cheap recipes like Power Threads so that they can get money faster later to get the "overpowered items" faster than the others

 

[Duke]

If you think DotA suck and It's unbalanced, then go and make better map, It should be easy to surpass It If all things you are sayig are true.

 

[~Void~]

The best thing about DotA is that it ISNT balanced, but there's nothing that's overpowered either. Everything has its drawbacks and counter strategies. If you're a total noob and all you do is autoattack creeps and run in at half health, you will get destroyed by axe, every single time. But I can own axe with almost any hero in the game.

And yes there are better-made maps, but DotA is fun and it's hosted a lot, so I'm happy with it.

 

[En_Fuego]

You must really suck at DotA if you think it's unbalanced to an extent that it sucks. And I don't just mean newb-calibur of sucking, I mean a person who has 0 reaction and has no skill whatsoever when it comes to playing an aos.

So basically a 2-year old.

 

[Duke]

The best thing about DotA is that it ISNT balanced, but there's nothing that's overpowered either. Everything has its drawbacks and counter strategies. If you're a total noob and all you do is autoattack creeps and run in at half health, you will get destroyed by axe, every single time. But I can own axe with almost any hero in the game.

And yes there are better-made maps, but DotA is fun and it's hosted a lot, so I'm happy with it.

Well axe is maybe weak in 1v1 but when there are enemy creeps around him he pwn (berserk+helix)

 

[Razorbrain]

Whats wrong with DotA? Ill tell you that

RD mode makes Fatal Errors quite often in the new verison, that is whats wrong with it

 

[~Void~]

Well axe is maybe weak in 1v1 but when there are enemy creeps around him he pwn (berserk+helix)

With a fully decked out naix (vlads satanic... thats all lol) I can take out a level 16 axe with him at 100% health and me at 25%, easily. Why? Because axe is not THAT good and if you can regain health fast enough or just have enough in the first place to ignore 175 damage every few second, dead axe.

 

[Razorbrain]

wouldnt that actually depend on what items he had? 3 vanguards almost make your attacks look worthless

 

[En_Fuego]

Who the hell would get 3 Vanguards?
2 Vanguards + Blademail + Heart
Vanguards actually suck late game, so it's not that big of a deal. Especially on a fed Naix
And if you buy nothing but Vanguards, your guy will be shit when it comes to attacking

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

Blademail

lol... worthless item

DotA is balanced between competitive level and public level. If a hero is too good in public games then it gets nerfed. If a hero is too good in competitive games it gets nerfed. Probably the most balanced AoS out there. I've seen some AoS with cool spells, but they are not balanced at all lol

 

[~Void~]

Believe it or not, the best build IMO on Axe is 1 Vanguard + BoT + Cuirass + Bloodstone + Heart + Vlads

Armor > Vanguards

 

[En_Fuego]

If you don't go 2 Stout Shield early you can't be a douche and get First Blood at top :/

 

[Duke]

With a fully decked out naix (vlads satanic... thats all lol) I can take out a level 16 axe with him at 100% health and me at 25%, easily. Why? Because axe is not THAT good and if you can regain health fast enough or just have enough in the first place to ignore 175 damage every few second, dead axe.

SUre but every hero haven't so fast hp regen and I said I know he is weak in 1v1. >.> And I didn't say Axe is good aswell. But I think you are understimating him. ;P

Believe it or not, the best build IMO on Axe is 1 Vanguard + BoT + Cuirass + Bloodstone + Heart + Vlads

Armor > Vanguards

HoD can be useful too if there are nukers in other team. And dagger ofc

 

[Razorbrain]

Who the hell would get 3 Vanguards?
2 Vanguards + Blademail + Heart
Vanguards actually suck late game, so it's not that big of a deal. Especially on a fed Naix
And if you buy nothing but Vanguards, your guy will be shit when it comes to attacking

the point was not attacking nor killing the naix

my point was that he claimed he could kill Axe with any hero, and often you would be able to get 2 vanguards, 1 HoT and 1 Blademail before he gets vlads and satanic? Well, maybe you could if you farm your ass off, but that is not common when playing against good enemies. A team that lets a hero farm or feed deserves to loose. This is why i chose 3 vanguards


And Armor <! Damage Ignore, that clearly depends on what situation. 65x3% chance to block 40 Damage is about 27% chance to block 120 damage and about 4% to not block any damage at all(and about 42% chance to block 80 damage)

considering Naix at level 16 deals 90-100 damage with 1 Attribute Bonus means that vlads would give about +16 damage and Satanic +25, which gives a total of 140 damage

now, you may have one hell of a lifesteal there(about 40% without Wound, which gives about +25% and Feast which gives 7% of my current life) and then there is that Satanic activation thingy that gives +15%, so you have a total about 80% lifesteal for 20 seconds and 7% of my current hp, which starts at about 2000, meaning 140 life per attack and damage on that too, and, im gonna go ahead and guess its Physical Damage, so its reduced by about 30% meaning about 105 damage + about 60 per attack(average considering my vanguards), meaning you would require more than 20 hits to kill me

and whenever he activates Rage, i activate Berserk Rage

as i said, this was a matter of survival, and he claiming he could kill any axe, not me killing him

oh, and you at 25% hp with those items is under 600, which is equal to Insta-Kill

now, i gotta agree, Naix is one of the heroes that easily can kill Axe, but its all about the conditions

 

[Duke]

All those are pointless aynway... DotA is game about team play not about 1v1 (I don't mean public now)

 

[Don Corleone]

it takes too damn much place on bnet

 

[inverted]

DotA owns i love it.

 

[Elven Spellmake]

What is DotA I have heard so much about it, and have no idea what it is...

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

What is DotA I have heard so much about it, and have no idea what it is...

You never been on B.Net? >_>

 

[Elven Spellmake]

You never been on B.Net? >_>

Yeah a lot, never seen DotA on there...
I know that Blizzard even fixed a DotA bug in patch 1.22...
I just used to play custom scenarios such as certain version of Green TD and some official battles of course. =)

 

[Videosurfer101]

You go to B.Net and you never find Dota? That's impossible.

 

[Elven Spellmake]

You go to B.Net and you never find Dota? That's impossible.

Well I have never seen it myself... Perhaps I am just ignoring it?

 

[Huurka]

Perhaps you have been living under a rock the last 10 years.

 

[Vicboy]

wtf huurka... CHANGE your avatar to the previous one...

 

[Elven Spellmake]

Perhaps you have been living under a rock the last 10 years.

Maybe...
But the game has only been out since 2002....

 

[Campir]

Games been out forever... And you're prob on an oceanic server if you don't see dota.