Warcraft II: Orc Campaign

[Moderator]

17:37, 9th Apr 2014
Orcnet: Map approved.

 

[eubz]

69.57 mb? Whoah, that's too huge!

 

[Theoden of KoMe]

The latin Numbers for chapters are 1=I , 2=II , 3=III , 4=IV , 5=V, 6=VI, 7=VII, 8=VIII, 9=IX and 10=X
Its a simple method to remember them just remember I=1 and V=5.Then I+I+I..... whatever but 4 is V-I which in latin is the other way round and so we have IV which is 4.Same goes with 9,14,19,24,99..... etc.

 

[Mechanical Man]

I thought he imported stuff in each additional map, but it's not true. Apparently there is so much imports that amounts to 70 mb.

 

[LordDz]

It's a campaign, why is the size even a problem?

 

[Streak]

Something is saying warcraft 2 on warcraft 3 surprised

 

[Orcnet]

Quite a good change/convert of the usual warcraft 3, map approved.

 

[Keal]

Well started to play the Campaign but cant finish Chapter 3. When i kill the Oil Derricks from the Nation of Azeroth i cant build one of my own

 

[rcshaggy]

When I was trying to remake Warcraft III, I was thinking of making the maps all nice and detailed like in Warcraft III and actually have hero units to help the other units.
Oh well that didn't come to pass, but I am willing to try this out.

 

[DoomQuaker]

Scars of Conflict models are way better. I suggest to use the elven archer found on wc3campaign instead of the one in low quality included in the campaign.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Some problems, hopefully they can be ironed out.

The intro screen has both the standard music and the WII music playing.

Game crashed on the third level for some reason.

Third level has a lot of wonky cliffs, making for some very strange pathfinding.

While making the oil patches gold mines is a decent compromise, they're destroyed along with the oil platform built on them. Had to finish the third level via cheat because of that.

The sixth level has no loading screen.

 

[Go'el]

Sounds good, I'm donwloading it...
Now a human version?

 

[Solu9]

This is really interesting.
I have on several occasions thought about doing this myself.

And to you people complaining or even mentioning the file size. Come on...
It's a single player campaign ergo the size is completely irrelevant.
AND.
If you are offput by the size because of download time you seriously need to invest in a better connection.

 

[LordDz]

Upgrading to a Guard Tower gives you gold and lumber, give the advanced build button to the workers from start and set the requirements on the buildings instead.

Keep it up!

 

[cleavinghammer]

Eye of Kilrogg is a ground unit.

Upkeep is still present.

 

[DoomQuaker]

Very nice updates! Excellent choices with the models, now the campaigns looks better, also with improved terrain. I hope to see it finished. Finally a great War 2 Remake. 5/5

 

[cleavinghammer]

I agree, the terrain is a lot nicer.

Eye of Kilrogg is still a ground unit.

A problem I've noticed is that ships are massively nerfed due to the water counting as a lower cliff level (you should also make them do siege damage). Can that be fixed?

 

[DrarenThiralas]

That's awesome! 4/5, for some minor details like oil system and such.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Eye of Kilrogg can be attacked by footmen and ballistae.
Not enough farms gets "Error message missing!".
The lumber bonus doesn't apply until you build a lumber mill (as in, if a lumber mill is among the starter buildings it doesn't get you the bonus, you need to build a new one).
Troll regeneration doesn't work.
Exorcism apparently works on normal units instead of just skeletons and Death Knights.
Autocasting Raise Dead gets the same tooltip twice.

 

[hagen11]

Are you making Act 4 of the campaign?
You might think of an alternative ending, since Orcs have lost the second war due to Guldans uprising. Therefore the Siege of Dalaran and most of all The Fall of Lordaeron missions make little sense. Still In the ending cutscene you could show the alliance reinforcements arrive and push the orc army back instead of an orc victory cutscene.

 

[JCarrill0]

Can't wait to see this finish.
any plan for the humans? I see someone else working on it as a demo.

 

[Solu9]

Are you making Act 4 of the campaign?
You might think of an alternative ending, since Orcs have lost the second war due to Guldans uprising. Therefore the Siege of Dalaran and most of all The Fall of Lordaeron missions make little sense. Still In the ending cutscene you could show the alliance reinforcements arrive and push the orc army back instead of an orc victory cutscene.

Seeing as this is a remake of the Warcraft 2 campaign it would be weird to alter anything. If done, I would not call it a remake, rather an altered version of War2.

 

[Doomfan64]

Does this let you select 12 units, unlike in the original?

 

[JCarrill0]

Does this let you select 12 units, unlike in the original?

Yes, there is a map based on wc1 that will only let you select one unit at a time however.

 

[DrarenThiralas]

Yes, there is a map based on wc1 that will only let you select one unit at a time however.

Wut? You could select 4 units at a time in wc1, right?

 

[Daniele]

Worst map i ever played. Textures doesn't show. the cinematic dialogs are too fast. 1/5

 

[Doomfan64]

So I just downloaded this, it's quite cool, all the horrible problems with WC2 (Like the inability to queue units) finally removed. Although one very strange bug: When I started the campaign and then quit to another one, it retained all the Orc sounds (such as the "work complete" notification, or the Grunt death sounds) from WCII.

And yeah I'd like to see a WCII Human campaign. I know someone else has done it, but the author of that said he wouldn't have time to complete it.

 

[DrarenThiralas]

When I started the campaign and then quit to another one, it retained all the Orc sounds (such as the "work complete" notification, or the Grunt death sounds) from WCII.

Probably an engine bug

 

[titans_zealot]

Some problems, hopefully they can be ironed out.

The intro screen has both the standard music and the WII music playing.

Game crashed on the third level for some reason.

Third level has a lot of wonky cliffs, making for some very strange pathfinding.

While making the oil patches gold mines is a decent compromise, they're destroyed along with the oil platform built on them. Had to finish the third level via cheat because of that.

The sixth level has no loading screen.

Id like to correct you on some of the things, i think the game crash of third level is not the map. (unless you already fixed/works again)
The sixth level does in fact have a loading screen

 

[titans_zealot]

Eye of Kilrogg can be attacked by footmen and ballistae.
Not enough farms gets "Error message missing!".
The lumber bonus doesn't apply until you build a lumber mill (as in, if a lumber mill is among the starter buildings it doesn't get you the bonus, you need to build a new one).
Troll regeneration doesn't work.
Exorcism apparently works on normal units instead of just skeletons and Death Knights.
Autocasting Raise Dead gets the same tooltip twice.

I think the "Not enough farms" error message is just for you, didnt do that for me

 

[titans_zealot]

There is a bug that happened to me on the Tol Barad mission when you attempt to recapture it. I had built of a fleet and started attacking the enemies oil platforms and killing off most of their ships, so later ingame when i was preparing to invade i saw a huge stacks of oil ( in item form) on the ground. I am pretty sure its a bug, not sure.
I have a video here showing you it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nynmCjN54g&feature=youtu.be You will see it at 34:00

 

[DoomQuaker]

Yeah finished!!! I hope also BDTP will be created!

 

[LOTP]

Realy nice remake. But you could add some cutscenes or at least some kind of intro with briefing narrator from Warcraft 2.

 

[hagen11]

Yeah Beyond the Dark Portal remakes would be much appreciated, however seeing how the campaign file was renamed from War2 to War2_Orc, I assume there are some secret plans of making a campaign with the filename War2_Human

 

[DoomQuaker]

Ships damage isn't correct: Ogre Juggernaught in War2 could destroy a Troll Destroyer in a hit, here takes much more! A cool feature of War was the chance to speed up the construction of your buildings using many peons/peasants, here is not available. Orc peon when builds here get inside the building like in War2, but his human counterpart, the peasant not.

 

[JCarrill0]

Ships damage isn't correct: Ogre Juggernaught in War2 could destroy a Troll Destroyer in a hit, here takes much more! A cool feature of War was the chance to speed up the construction of your buildings using many peons/peasants, here is not available. Orc peon when builds here get inside the building like in War2, but his human counterpart, the peasant not.

I always thought it was 2 hots, but this is correct, 50-130 dmg and destroyers have 100 hp. easily can be one shotted.

 

[DoomQuaker]

The damage is show correct, but in game not. In mission 12 I've attacked 2 troll destroyers and giang turtle with a Juggernaught + 2 destroyers, and tooks a lot of fire.

 

[Helldoom]

The damage is show correct, but in game not. In mission 12 I've attacked 2 troll destroyers and giang turtle with a Juggernaught + 2 destroyers, and tooks a lot of fire.

Yeah, that's because it uses the original Warcraft III damage/armor bonuses, which was modified some so that it would be mostly balanced (but it seems some inbalances have remained). Problem is, I don't really know about Warcraft II's damage system.

I'll fix this in the next update.

 

[DoomQuaker]

Ehi, you can take a look at the unfinished project called Warcraft 2 2nd generation: all unit damage, armor, hit points, build time, spells etc... are 100% like in War2, I suggest to take a look to it. Anyway I'm loving your campaign, War2 is my favourite Warcraft, and I' glad that someone finally decided to remake at least the orcish campaign. Are your maps made from scratch? They're impressive, they're absolutely a near perfect conversion of original maps, Keep up the work! There are some bugs, I'm writing all the bugs I've found on a notepad, when the bug list is "finished" I'll post it here.

 

[DoomQuaker]

Bugs/errors I've found til now:

- Troll Lumber Mill is too smale in size compared to other buildings, it need to be scaled up a bit
- Orc and Human walls weren't selectable in War2 (not very important to be honest....)
- Ogre uses standard War3 voice (maybe this is your choice since is the same as Ogre Mage)
- Model for human mage is bugged and too small: I suggest using this model instead: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/warcraft-ii-mage-231395/?prev=search=wc2&d=list&r=20
- Death Knight Death sound: play Archmage death sound
- Dead and Decay spells destroy trees and rocks (this severely alter the gameplay.....)
- Eye of Killrogg too slow

I have an improved version of Gnomish Inventor, same model but with a much better skin if you're intersted.

 

[TheLightbringer]

I love WC2, definitely going testing.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Secondary flyer attacks don't damage walls.
Exorcism works against all units, including flyers.
Polymorphed units stay with the owner, maybe you could trigger their being given to the neutral player?
Oil menu doesn't show up in the Siege of Dalaran mission.

 

[DoomQuaker]

- Paladins can heal themselves
- Death and Decay costs 50 instead of 25 mana
- Research time of upgrades/spells is too fast, sometimes even a matter of seconds (Troll regeneration)

 

[Suedomsael]

Dude.. I was able to finish your orc campaign though I think I may had found a bugged.. You see.. The oil tankers are not gathering oil, in the very last mission only... After building the oil platform in the oil patch, the tankers are not collecting the oil they are all just staying inside the platform, but not gathering the oil... Though it only happened to me in the last mission...

I had no choice but to finally finish the campaign through DRAGON armies only which is kinda bit corny cause I wasnt able to use land and water units especially in the last mission, cause apparently I lack oil resources so I am not able to build ships and transports..

 

[darwin]

I'm just getting started (so far so good) but I spotted a tiny bug I struggled with forever. In case you are also wrecking your brain trying to solve it, I thought I'd put it here:

In your first opening cinematic, you have zepplins flying toward the wall. One of the zepplins is jittery...shaking all over the place. This is a bug that happens sometimes when you order a unit to move twice. Try issuing just one move order to the zepplin and see if it clears it up.

Good luck!

 

[ShadowShaman.mn]

Because of the bugs 4/5.

 

[LordDz]

The story lacks originality 1/5.

It's a remake of the WC2 campaign, I don't even..

 

[Kiwyh]

The bug with the oil tanker not returning from the oil platform is back.

 

[Blazethesage]

I didn't get very far into this yet, but one thing that I noticed early on that I found annoying - the scale of the maps compared to the units/buildings is *enormous* when compared to Warcraft 2. The problem with this is that vision range, and attack range have not been adjusted to compensate for this. The most glaring, early example is in the third mission, introducing Oil and ships. In Warcraft 2, Destroyers could access and attack everything on the humans' island - here, none of the farms there are attackable by the Destroyers, and I had to work just to get the archers to notice me so they'd come into attack range.

I don't know if this continues into the later maps or if it's a symptom of the smaller WC2 levels, but it's something to consider.