Warcraft 2 v1.6

[Moderator]

15:18, 2nd May 2009 by bounty hunter2:
Two people have warned about crashes, consider finding the problem, leaks perhaps, and fix it. Then update the map, until then, Rejected.

 

[HFR]

The Wc3 RoC Ballista is the same from Wc2 one, I suggest you to replace it.

Also, you still didn't fixed the crashes? :/

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Place a type & category of the map.

 

[Linaze]

I suggest you use AnemicRoyalty's Wc2 Archer, it's availiable at wc3c.
Can't test it at the moment though, will do later.

 

[ipwnnn00bs4life]

The map crashes after the first 5-6 seconds of the games...

 

[ipwnnn00bs4life]

now i tried playing it with me and two computer oppenents and it crashed within 5-8 min of the the games

 

[Zelda.Alex]

Do not double post. Use edit instead.

 

[Ham Ham]

Updated!
The AI is fixed, (but works only for 1 player) and I also fixed the hit points of towers.

 

[HFR]

The crashes are over?

 

[Ham Ham]

Well, I played for 25 minutes with the AI and the game dont crash, so, yes, its over
But dont go modify the map to make AI work with other players because doing that would be unsafe.

 

[HFR]

So, I can only play with 1 computer?

 

[Ham Ham]

yeah

 

[HFR]

Why? You can't find an way to make all computer players avaliable whitout crashes?

 

[Mechanical Man]

I wonder, I don't think it works, but still. Try to run ai not in map initialization. But I really doubt it would work.

 

[Ham Ham]

I already tried that and dont worked. The weird thing is, if you try making the AI run with pre-placed computer players, the game dont crash.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Does that mean that the players needs already set the controller, or leaving selectable also works as long they are pre-placed?

 

[Ham Ham]

Leaving selectable only works for player 2, but if you set all players to pre-placed computer, and make they run the AI, game doesnt crashes.

 

[busterkomo]

Wc2 Tides of Darkness 1.2 is a map that tries to convert the gameplay of Warcraft 2 using the Warcraft 3 engine.

The terrain was overall pretty bad. The trees didn't fit in with the tileset, and floating rocks appeared quite frequently. The height elevation was also much too high. It really needs a good deal of work with the smooth tool.

The game was converted into Warcraft 2 quite nicely, although the idea is no longer original at all. A large complaint here was that the game crashed both times while I was playing.

Rating: Unrated (due to crash), and not recommended for approval.

My Recommendations:
Fix the crash.
Change the model on the trees.
Improve the terrain.

 

[Ham Ham]

Owright, best if I remove the AI.

 

[RaijinSpark]

Lol i though it was dead

Very Nice i'll try to play it

 

[Ham Ham]

Lol i though it was dead

Very Nice i'll try to play it

Not yet, but will die if I dont find how to fix the crashes

 

[RaijinSpark]

Not yet, but will die if I dont find how to fix the crashes

I'll help ya

 

[HFR]

Updated, and you fixed the crashes?

 

[baboolaba]

please tell me crashes are fixed

 

[Trillium]

not talking 'bout crashes:
1) i researched Exorcism, but my Paladin appers to have different exorcism spell, which still requires research (requires Priest Adept Training and still retains Desipel Magic's icon)
2) its Paladin not Pallidan
3) the Castle model you used isnt more like the WC2 one, than the original WC3 one - why use it then?
4) some models lack portrait/camera
5) better use High Elven Barracks for mage tower, than the tower u used. it's more like WC2
6) ah, almost forgot:
Paladin has no mana pool!!! he can only cast spells with a cheatcode...
7) trees are not warcraftish - better use original ones
8) same goes for ballista
9) passive icons for active ablities/upgrades (ranger's sight upgrade for example) - it's a little annoying
10) in WC2 weapon/armour upgrades weren't bound to town hall tier, if i remember, but thats not important.

Didnt have the chance to test human side more, 'cos the game crashed...

P.S. I'm absolutely sure there was a mage-on-foot model on hive, maybe even 2 models... they suit better for mage than sorceress

gotta test orcs now =)

EDIT: Orcs tested:
1) dragons should be green
2) AI's gone mad - it builds barracks on every single empty piece of land!!!
3) dragon roost model ain't better than the original WC3 one
4) blizzard/D&D costed 25 to cast and then drained mana for the duration in WC2. if u dont use the mana drain mechanic, then reduce duration or increase mana cost. otherwise these spells are too cool for their mana cost
5) Ogre Magi have no mana too!!!
6) Haste & bloodlust must be 'cannot target self'
7) the game lags 'cos of AI's countless Barracks!
8) Whirlwind - must have 'Locust' and 'Wander' to be more of WC2
9) Death Knight initially had Death and Decay, though it wasn't researched yet!
10) Giant Turtle has an ability Submerge, which instantly kills it!!!
11) Unholy Armour appers above the target's head
12) its Troll Destroyer, not Orc Destroyer
13) better use original WC2 upgrade names, for both humans and orcs. those Thorium/Mithril/Arcanite/etc. doesnt go well with WC2
14) there was no CDs in WC2


I understand that this aint finished version, but wanted to make a little review. tbh, i'd give it a 2.5/5 or 3/5

 

[Ham Ham]

Re-Uploaded Again. This time just has a better terrain and AI removed to prevent crashing.
Hey man, thanks for reporting these things! It will be fixed on next version! +REP!

 

[Trillium]

elf archer/ranger now misses model.
also you may want to change missile arc of fireball spell as well as catapult, battleship and juggernaut attack - the misile 'hides' in the ground texture =)

+ remove teleport animation from bridges and fix the range - the ship ports being like 500 squares away from the bridge and appears 500 squares away on the other side

+ no crashes now! =))

 

[Mr.Wafflez]

Omfg icant play it

 

[Delterius]

Actually I believe that now, with the lore and all dragons should be red.
They are the children of the red dragon queen right?

I also can't play it, it don't appear in my map list.And its not the only one too, I remember it happened before but I can't remember how I solved it.

I wish great luck with the project.

 

[Ham Ham]

elf archer/ranger now misses model.
also you may want to change missile arc of fireball spell as well as catapult, battleship and juggernaut attack - the misile 'hides' in the ground texture =)

+ remove teleport animation from bridges and fix the range - the ship ports being like 500 squares away from the bridge and appears 500 squares away on the other side

+ no crashes now! =))

Oh! Thanks again, dude!

About the not able to open map thing, I am sure this is due the filename size. Try reducing it. I'll reduce the size on next version. (I hope It can be released on the next 24hours)



Im'sorry everyone for updating all these full of non-working shit. Its because sometimes I dont notice the wrong things while tests.

 

[Delterius]

So, just played as human and my only complaints (for now ) are:
If you need any help with lore, please tell me.I'll help as much as I can.
-When you do the Paladin upgrade (which I think is mispelled, although my original language isn't english) you can't train paladins anymore.EDIT:Exorcism asks for "Priest Adept Training"

-My second complaint are the models, although they clearly aren't top priority most of the new ones you used don't look really good.I loved the Castle but I think that the Town Hall/Keep/Castle should look more like each other, like the in game ones.
And you could certainly use http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=121013&prev=search%3Delven%2520ballista%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20] for the Ballista

-I also loved how you made units smaller and buildings larger ^^

-I suggest you use the Chaplain/Priest model for the Mage, they were from Dalaran which mostly consists of human magi.

-The elven destroyer temporarily disappears when turning around to attack.

 

[Zerox]

Loved the map great recreation of Wc2. Problem though. You don't have mana for the Ogre Magis

 

[Trillium]

Actually I believe that now, with the lore and all dragons should be red.
They are the children of the red dragon queen right?

Yeah, according to lore, yes. But this is recreation of WC2, so i think everything should be as much as similiar to WC2.

Btw, Uther should use knight/bandit lord/garithos model (he was mounted in WC2) and Khadgar should use human mage model (i suggest using http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=50460&prev=search%3Dmage%2520on%2520foot%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20 for regular mage and http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=50459&prev=search%3Dmage%2520on%2520foot%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20 for Khadgar)

 

[Delterius]

Features:

* A single player campaign with several missions of different kinds and genres that tells the story of the second war.

From Linaze's page.So the Campaign isn't necessarily a recreation of WC2, instead it tells the story of the Second War.Which with the lore retcons had Red Dragons, no Green Dragons.

 

[Trillium]

as i get it, this particualr map is "warcraft 2 broought to warcraft 3", with no story, but instead simply trying to bring the ol' good flawless 2D masterwork to 3D =))
lore is irrelevant here. its all about atmosphere =)))

 

[Delterius]

Well the description says its for Linaze's project.
And it feels kinda ankward now with this retcon... maybe its just me

 

[Ham Ham]

The map was updated and all falls were fixed.

Delterius, k, I'm gonna use this ballista on next version.

 

[Trillium]

Much better, nice.
Male mage with sorceress' voice, not bad =))) also, icon is still sorceress'
Dragon and Gryphon rider should initially have passive 'storm hammers'-based ability with a rather long damage range - you know how it was in WC2
Dragon's icon should be green too, not bronze
Some tooltip mistakes and non-changed tooltips - thats really minor problem imho
Whirlwind's immolation still uses old immolation buff, burning nearby targets with green fire =)
Unholy armour still hangs above the target's head
when i cast Slow on my own unit, it consumes mana but doesnt do anything... slowing your own units is a very sweet way to finish someone off. you know, like 'i'm slowed, but i still beat ya' =))

 

[Delterius]

My suggestion for the Mage is this icon:http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource.php?t=56306&prev=search=mage&d=list&r=20&t=12
and maybe the original sound file...
Or neither of above and use the models suggested by trillium.

You still can't train Paladins when you do the Paladin Research.

As said above Whirlwind still has the green fire immolation effect.

When you use Polymorph (I used it on the enemy Gul'dan) the target seems to be permanently transformed into a sheep

I believe Slow shouldn't be usable on allies.

And I still think Dragons would look way better and lorewise as red...

I also suggest something like:
Player A gets Caster Hero, Player B gets Caster Hero too.
Same about Flying heroes and melee heroes.

 

[Trillium]

polymorph was permanent in WC2, no? even if no, 99.99% of polymorphed targets are usually one-shotted right after polymorph, as they should

all spells were useable on both allies and enemies, it was a fun element to make laugh of your opponent - like cast bloodthirst on last enemy unit before zerging him with peons and such =)))

lets not turn this thread into dragon color discussion =)))

 

[Delterius]

Oh right...sorry I forgot

And... go go red!!

But look, now the units may cluster together and you may end up polymorphing your own unit.Doesn't seem good to me.

 

[Trillium]

maybe, maybe, but i found it fun to cast polymorph and invisibility on my own hero...
had to bombard my whole base with blizzard to kill him and resurrect =DDDD


fortunately, that was single-player =DDDD

 

[mnadeau1992]

ultimate big bug found!!!!

i found an ultimate big bug, a bug so huge, that make game poorest ever... nah it a joke, but i really found a bug, when you are researching paladin, knight just deasapear from barrack and paladin don't appear !!! then you cant make paladin and knight

 

[Ham Ham]

Lol, why dont I ever notice these small bugs?????? =.=

I'm gonna fix everything on next version.

 

[Delterius]

There is also a bug with the "capture" trigger, it says "Player X captured the circle" each time a unit goes into it.

 

[PrinceOfFame]

Nice and really original i like it...Just make a more Buildings...And More trees...

 

[Trillium]

BTW, can be approved now, it doesnt crash anymore

 

[HFR]

But AI was removed...

 

[Ham Ham]

Thats a thing to be fixed on next versions...