Genocide... That reminds me of what is happening currently; Israel is slaughtering people in Gaza.
Aww look at all the people thinking their opinions matter
I'm sorry 3rgytr54 but this topic was bound to be a flame fest and filled with useless posts by people who don't know the information, or are biased because they're idiots.
This really should be closed.
And Aeroblyctos, Hamas attack Israel first, during a cease-fire. Fuck them. Fuck everyone who shelters them.
This is about the definition of bullshit arguments for people who can't back up their points. Just because someone opposes Israel doesn't mean they're anti-semitic. Hell, many of the Jews living in Israel itself denounce the whole affair.
So it's fine if they kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians to get a terrorist (and that is just normal war, not terrorism or anything!) and not fine if one Israeli civilian dies in the crossfire?
Bush said Iraq had WMDs. Look where we are now.
The Austro-Hungarian chief of staff told Franz Josef that Serbian infantry had already opened fire on Austro-Hungarian troops in 1914, had him sign the declaration of war as such, and then scratched out that item.
There are convincing sources which suggest a temporary truce was part of a long-term military plan.
What the hell do you do with an armed bulldozer other than run protesters over? Yes, this is an old incident, but their attitude hasn't really changed.
Israel is doing a good job supporting aid.
Hmm.
Israel's best buddies agree they're in the right!
There are ways of eliminating a terrorist other than blowing up his neighbourhood. How would you like it if the person next door to you killed someone, and in response your entire suburb was flattened and you and everyone you knew were killed or homeless?
Israel tried not doing that for 50 years, and it worked oh so well. Now they're doing it differently.
Human rights are called rights for a reason. Israel has no place denying ships passage in international water, the ship was by no means a threat, and nothing was gained from ramming it other than causing more innocent Palestinians to suffer.
I said earlier that Israel stopped anyone from going in/out. She has no place trying to force her way in.
It's not like Israel didn't tell them that ships weren't allowed.
Consider two things
1) They admit they stole the land from those people and that is why those people hate them (see the quotes page I provided).
2) There is a difference between waging war on a country and randomly killing its civilians.
1.) Israel didn't steal the land. If anything it was the British. And Israel has given land back to Palestinians (i.e. Gaza, and others). It's not like Israel hasn't made concessions.
2.) Oh, like terrorists have been doing to Israel since it's inception?
yeah, we're in Iraq?
With a war everyone hates and discovered was based on bullshit premeses and completely unjust.
You didn't say that, or ask a question pertaining to that. You just asked where it got us.
Yeah I know, b.s. answer, but I just want this thread closed. Debates like this belong in Medivh's tower, imo.
That's bad for them how? Oh right, it's not.
But it does not make them trustworthy sources of information.
And the Palestinian sources aren't trustworthy either. Imagine that, propaganda
I trust the leader of Venezuela to know more about what's going on in Gaza than you do, thank you very much. It's not like they have anything to gain by ceasing diplomatic relations with Israel.
I don't trust him more. It has nothing to do with special ops or intelligence agencies.
As for his credibility, you may want to consider some things about what you said
1) One of my articles shows that the new US government is also against Israel, so Chavez is not disagreeing with them, and thus cannot be assumed to be behaving dogmatically in this regard.
The US government is not against Israel. Condolezza Rice blamed Hamas, members of Congress have come out and blamed Hamas.
As of right now, Obama is waiting for Jan. 20th.
Obviously the U.S. government wants a cease-fire. Everyone in government has said so.
2) The states did try to assassinate him several times, so there is a bit of reasoning for his un-American attitude.
I agree. He is a little insane though.. just a tad.
3) He has offered kind deals to low-income Americans as well as others. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's a fanatical anti-American. I agree that he is definitely anti-American, but that doesn't steer everything he does.
It does steer quite a bit that he does.
I knew some people from Venezuela. They came to where I lived at the time (New Jersey) on an exchange program. They didn't like him or us very much.
We're bound to be viewed as the bad guys. But he's not very popular either.
I made sure to before I responded. Note how I responded to posts all throughout the discussion.
Hmm, you just seemed to miss something things in mine and Firelord's conversation, that's all.
Example would be the "aid" situation.
2.) Israel doesn't give a shit about you, or me, or the world's point of view. They're going to do whatever they feel is right for their citizens.
That doesn't make them automatically in the right.
I never said they were right? I said they're doing what they think is right. Though, I can see how some of my replies could be construed as Pro-Israeli. I'm more anti-hamas, than pro-israeli, though.
No, I said that they called it Holocaust 2.0. And you said you read the article?
Who said I was talking about you specifically. General "you." I do it a lot >.> i might need to stop that. Sorry for the confusion.
EDIT: It's not my intention to start fights, or to "stick it" to anyone. I'm just defending what I view as right, or as facts.
How can you 'view' something as a fact? Facts are absolute.
Facts are absolute, but the way people view facts are different.
Example that has nothing to do with this thread: The Constitution says I have the right to bear arms. That's a fact, but people view it as many different things.
Post lengthIsrael tried not doing that for 50 years, and it worked oh so well. Now they're doing it differently.
They've actually spent much of the last 50 years expanding, killing, and so on. The situation isn't exactly getting much worse than it has been. People are just getting tired of it.
I said earlier that Israel stopped anyone from going in/out. She has no place trying to force her way in.
It's not like Israel didn't tell them that ships weren't allowed.
It's not as if Israel had any right to say or do that.
1.) Israel didn't steal the land. If anything it was the British. And Israel has given land back to Palestinians (i.e. Gaza, and others). It's not like Israel hasn't made concessions.
2.) Oh, like terrorists have been doing to Israel since it's inception?
Israel has expanded since its formation. Also, just because someone murders someone you know, doesn't mean you murder someone they know. Fighting fire with fire quickly escalates a bad situation.
You didn't say that, or ask a question pertaining to that. You just asked where it got us.
Yeah I know, b.s. answer, but I just want this thread closed. Debates like this belong in Medivh's tower, imo.
You know what I meant...
And the Palestinian sources aren't trustworthy either. Imagine that, propaganda
That's why I don't read the Palestinian newspaper to find out what's going on. You seem to be following the Israelis on the other hand.
The US government is not against Israel. Condolezza Rice blamed Hamas, members of Congress have come out and blamed Hamas.
As of right now, Obama is waiting for Jan. 20th.
Obviously the U.S. government wants a cease-fire. Everyone in government has said so.
The new US government being Obama and co. And yes, that.
I never said they were right? I said they're doing what they think is right. Though, I can see how some of my replies could be construed as Pro-Israeli. I'm more anti-hamas, than pro-israeli, though.
This isn't a discussion of what Israel will do or will not do; that's obvious. It's what Israel should or should not do.
Who said I was talking about you specifically. General "you." I do it a lot >.> i might need to stop that. Sorry for the confusion.
The problem being that it was Israel themselves that said that, which says bad things...
And yeah, I have that same problem
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