War in Georgia. Are Russians right or not?

[Arvedui]

I haz brains, yes. Maybe you haz brains not. Hans Blix, anyone? UN were sending many inspectors in Iraq before the war, nobody discovered nothing. After the war ... still nothing.

Hai again! IF you remember he wasn't allowing inspectors into the country just prior to the war. IF you remember he said he wanted people to believe he had WMD's.

Yes, you do. Anyway I hear similar words also from other side. Axis of evil, terrorist's nest, etc. I would call that way America and Israel too, for what are they currently doing in middle east

Wow. A humongous wow. Yes obviously us calling terrorists evil is the same as Iran calling America the Great Satan and that Israel is a stinking corpse and that they are going to destroy us. Obviously the same.

Also, some fun things that Ahmafagjad has said:

YouTube - No gays in Iran, says Ahmadinejad
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ahmadinejad: Israel will disappear | The Iranian Threat | Jerusalem Post
Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis
Washington Times - Ahmadinejad in America
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's president launches weblog

Learn to google.

And how come then the bombing Serbia because of Kosovo is just? Are Albanians anything more than Ossetians?

If you bothered to read my previous posts, I said that it isn't right for Georgia to kill the Ossetian people. It isn't right for anyone to kill anyone else. God almighty.

 

[Dreadnought[dA]]

I think a moderator needs to close this thread before any more flames can be spewed. If you really want to prove your intelligence then don't respond with flames and unintelligent insults.

 

[Mechanical Man]

1. Hans Blix never complained for being disturbed when inspecting, furthermore he criticized the UK and US administration to be overdramatising the situation.

2. I meant calling a country a terrorist country, just because they support some nationalities, not calling terrorists evil. But still, terrorists isn't necessarly bad meaning, in other view they can be freedom fighters instead.
Gays? Well, at least there are illegal, knowing they will be punished, gays are discrimined even in western societies, not few paid their orientament with life.
By wiping off Israel, he doesn't mean nuke the shit out from the region, just dissolving the state, at least removal of Zionist regime. You can't deny that the region is unstable already from the end of WW2, when Israel state was born, which later tried to expand in that area.
That site you posted about Ahmad's quotes is that I was talking you about and is very interesting.

3. So Russian should just look as Georgians kill Ossetian civilians? They needed to retaliate, so it won't happen again. But is true, if there would be no interests involved, they wouldn't do anything.

 

[Arvedui]

1. Hans Blix never complained for being disturbed when inspecting, furthermore he criticized the UK and US administration to be overdramatising the situation.

Oh yes, what's the point of complaining while searching for something that could kill large numbers of people.

I never said that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. I just said that there were reasons for doing it.

Also, Saddam DID have WMD's and he DID use them. He used chemical weapons during the first Gulf war and on his own people. Nice guy right?

It was probable that he still had them. Thus the suspicion.

2. I meant calling a country a terrorist country, just because they support some nationalities, not calling terrorists evil. But still, terrorists isn't necessarly bad meaning, in other view they can be freedom fighters instead.
Gays? Well, at least there are illegal, knowing they will be punished, gays are discrimined even in western societies, not few paid their orientament with life.
By wiping off Israel, he doesn't mean nuke the shit out from the region, just dissolving the state, at least removal of Zionist regime. You can't deny that the region is unstable already from the end of WW2, when Israel state was born, which later tried to expand in that area.

Iran doesn't support nationalities, it supports ethnicities. They support Hamas and Hezbollah. Both of which are terrorist organizations. Both of which hate Israel for existing and the US for siding with Israel. Both of which suicide bomb and create disorder in the region.

I know what he means, but by supporting people who do actively try to kill Israelis he's no better than they are. Also, dissolving the state, or actively supporting those who try to, is terrorism. I do believe that's an international law.

Terrorists aren't necessarily bad meaning? That's a joke right? They kill civilians to terrorize the people into believing in their own ideals, or get what they want. I don't care where the terrorist is. Yes, one man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter, but you can do it in another way. Violence is not always the answer.

Gays were discriminated against in Western societies initially yes, but they aren't killed. They are now being accepted with open arms by people. Whereas in Iran, they don't have gays, or "this fad" as he calls it, because they kill them. Or they're too scared to say that they're gay for fear of being killed.

Of course the region was unstable prior to WWII. It's been unstable for 4000 years, if not more. The State of Israel was created as a gift to the Jewish people because of the horrible atrocities that were committed in Europe. After the war there was still a lot of resentment towards Jews in Germany. So they relocated them to land that had been theirs for a long time. Obviously this created an even more instability because the Palestinians were ousted. But what were the Allies going to do? Say "Oh sorry, Germany killed a humongous percentage of your population, here's a gift basket."

3. So Russian should just look as Georgians kill Ossetian civilians? They needed to retaliate, so it won't happen again. But is true, if there would be no interests involved, they wouldn't do anything.

No, that would be bad, but they didn't have to invade and bomb the shit out of Georgian territory. Sure South Ossetia fine, kick their asses out of South Ossetia, but there's no need to bomb regions that are not in South Ossetia.

They could have even blockaded Georgia from South Ossetia with minimal loss of life, but no, what does Russia decide to do? Invade them. Good decision.

 

[Mechanical Man]

1. For the massacre with chemical weapons and Kuwait invasion it was fought first Gulf war.
Suspicion? US have WMD and they DID use them. Is probable?? It is probable that also our country have weapons of mass destruction. Now are you going to invade our country? You know, there is still possibility that we have them although it looks more like we don't have them.

2. There was much less threat of terrorism, before US and Israel began to mess things there. And this method surely won't exterminate terrorism, if there is peace is less likely that extremists and fundamentalists will come to the rule. These terrorists are mostly desperate people who just can't get of this situation and try to drive the enemy back at cost of their life.

By making a state they iimpaired another ethnicity. So then we should create also an independent state for American natives in US which were slaughtered in previous centuries? There were genocides of many nations and ethnicities and they didn't get their own land.

3. Look, the casualities aren't even that high. In most cases, there get even many more people killed. Do you think that US wouldn't do a thing if someone would attack their region of interest? (Gulf war 1 is a good example)

 

[Arvedui]

1. For the massacre with chemical weapons and Kuwait invasion it was fought first Gulf war.
Suspicion? US have WMD and they DID use them. Is probable?? It is probable that also our country have weapons of mass destruction. Now are you going to invade our country? You know, there is still possibility that we have them although it looks more like we don't have them.

Almost every civilized nation has Weapons of Mass destruction. But only once have they been used and that was to stop a war. They're terrible things that should never have been made BUT at the time it was the only thing to do. Rather than invade the Japanese mainland and lose thousands of American lives and thousands of Japanese lives, they used the bombs. I wish that there was another solution, or that something else had happened, but it didn't.

Also, Saddam Hussein should not have been allowed to have WMD's because he had threatened to use them and he DID use them. On his own people, on the Kuwaitis, on the Coalition that defended Kuwait.

2. There was much less threat of terrorism, before US and Israel began to mess things there. And this method surely won't exterminate terrorism, if there is peace is less likely that extremists and fundamentalists will come to the rule. These terrorists are mostly desperate people who just can't get of this situation and try to drive the enemy back at cost of their life.

US and Israel began to mess things up there? Uh, who started the wars with Israel? Oh that's right, it was Arab nations who started the wars with Israel, prompting the US to defend Israel.

Also, it's shown that since the surge in Iraq that casualties have gone down and that Al Qaeda have been pretty much defeated in both Afghanistan and Iraq. It is possible to defeat terrorism by actually educating the people, which the military is able to do now.

Will terrorism be defeated forever? Probably not. There are always going to be crazy people who want to kill, but you can make them ineffective by educating the populous of the nation. Who, in their right mind, would want war over peace?

By making a state they iimpaired another ethnicity. So then we should create also an independent state for American natives in US which were slaughtered in previous centuries? There were genocides of many nations and ethnicities and they didn't get their own land.

No nation is perfect. No nation has a perfect history. You do what you can to prevent those atrocities happening in other countries. Every nation at one time has been in war. Every nation at one time has committed genocide. To deny that would be wrong. But the Jews were given land because of the scope of the genocide that happened. Also because throughout the centuries the Jews were persecuted more than any other ethnicity in history.

EDIT: Also, Native Americans were given land of their own and given partial autonomy. So in essence they have their own state. They also have the right to vote. They are citizens of the United States but also citizens of their own tribes. Tribes retain certain inherent powers of self-government as "domestic dependent nations."

3. Look, the casualities aren't even that high. In most cases, there get even many more people killed. Do you think that US wouldn't do a thing if someone would attack their region of interest? (Gulf war 1 is a good example)

Casualties are still casualties. It probably could have been done with fewer casualties. Every nation helps other nations that are important to them, and a lot help nations that aren't important to them, they help because it's the right thing to do.

I would much rather prefer a US that didn't give a shit about the rest of the world. Let you all start WWIII. Let you all fuck up the world.

Also, I wish the US would stop restraining Israel. Let them blow up Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah like they want to. It's not like they couldn't take them. Remember when Israel completely obliterated the Egyptian army? Remember when they conquered up to the Suez Canal, but they gave it back? Oh yeah.

I hate that American politicians act like Israel can't defend themselves. I hate it. Let them go and do whatever it is they want to do.

Anyway, I'm ending this (it's after 1 am here and I'm rather tired). I'll just agree to disagree with you.

 

[Sansui]

This isn't about America go back to the topic of Russia invading Georgia and claiming it was the other way around.

 

[Masiah]

War is over: 1800 civilians dead (and still counting), 18 peacekeepers dead, the city is destroyed completely, help just started arriving into the zone and the georgian president is on the run or in hiding, but he was nearly beaten up to death by georgians today when he exited the government.
The city is destroyed completaly, it has been discovered the the attack on key locations (like the hospital) was PLANNED and not a casuality, first images and videos have arrived of the artilery used by the georgian army, which resulted to be specialised in anti-human and anti-structure functions, so no, Georgia was not invading Ossetia, they were blowing the f*cking crap out of it.
About the bombing, it has been already proved that Russia has only bombed military outposts and an militar airport, which sadly survived partly because there were still bombers flying over the city.
Know what? Not a single citizen yet has said anything in favour of the invading army, and these were russian AND georgian. Actually they described quite exactly how the invaders broke every single international agreement, killing innocent civilans and preventing the humanitary help from entering the zones.

This isn't about America go back to the topic of Georgia invading Russia and claiming it was the other way around.

Now it's correct.

 

[Sansui]

The invading army was russia not georgia.... you cant invade your own country.

This isn't about America go back to the topic of Georgia invading Russia and claiming it was the other way around.

Now your statement is a lie FULL OF FAIL.

Now your post is fixed.

 

[Celebrate]

No, that would be bad, but they didn't have to invade and bomb the shit out of Georgian territory

I'm sorry to interrupt, but... how do you think Russians could destroy Georgian army if not destroying their military bases deep in Georgia?

Maybe you don't know, but warplanes can fly to Osetia even from Georgian capital.
Modern artillery (especially rocket one) can shoot on very long distances.

From your point of view, Russians must just seat under Georgians artillery/air strikes, but not cross border of Othetia?

no offence.

2Sansui
Othetia won indepenence in 1992. US said it didn't, but does this make any sense to Othetians?

 

[GST_Nemisis]

Russia had all the right to invade Georgia and destroy its army. Russia reacted to a completely unjustifiable Georgian assualt. I do fell that Russia did use an unneccesarily high level of force and made their point by destroying a large amount of the Georgian army very quickly, but the level of force used was too high and civilians have paid the price. I think the force used was due to the fact the Georgia and Russia have never been on good terms since the USSR fell apart and Russia used such force because they just plain dont like Georgia.

 

[redmarine]

Somehow this war thrills me... Anyway I believe the Russians have the rights to enter Georgia so I don't care what they will do with Georgia. When Russia wages war they usually send in a pretty high level of troops and tanks to crush their opponent right away.

 

[Ash]

Just for Mech Man, look into Gulags.

On that note, I vote we shut this topic due to the shit, aids and propaganda that's being spread about. It's all 'he said she said' arguments and I don't believe that anyone has made a semi-logical post up to now.

 

[Landy]

War is over: 1800 civilians dead (and still counting), 18 peacekeepers dead, the city is destroyed completely, help just started arriving into the zone and the georgian president is on the run or in hiding, but he was nearly beaten up to death by georgians today when he exited the government.

Btw, just kinda wrong.
74 russian peacemakers dead, 171 wounded, 19 lost.
Georgian army lost like 3000+ people.
Really, this topic became war of same arguments =\ No more in point in it =\
People who don't want to see anything become blind.

 

[MasterHaosis]

3 days only! What more to say win after 3 days!

 

[Mechanical Man]

lost 3000 people? Link plz

 

[XS-Archangel]

ex-Red army is the greatest
Good is that Russia has China support...I guess

 

[hit]

War is never good... never
All people who have speak on this thread don't know what is war...
And i hope that we will never know.

 

[Zombie]

We aren't talking about if the war is good or bad. We all know war is hell. We're speaking about who's fault the war is.

 

[hit]

The money of course.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

What money? There was no money involved in the Georgia-Russia conflict. Someone attacked someone, and then Russia pulled all the stops and steamrollered Georgia.

 

[redmarine]

The money of course.

I don't think the money is the fault of this conflict... Anyway who would bribe someone to attack another country and then just leave after the war?

 

[GST_Nemisis]

this war was more about national hatred and politics

 

[Maedh]

Ok Guys, Time to get Russias Prospective on the war. This is all in a topic from Blizzcraft... Russian aggression against Georgia - BlizzCraft

2Aerovox
Abkhazia and South Ossetia were independatn from Georgia sicne USSR had ruined(just nobody agreed this taht but in fact Georgia had no power there), and only after dictator Saakashvili got his president post, Geogia decided to get thise contries back and started many conflicts with them. This South Ossetia invation plan was made in 2006 so sure we made our own plan to protect your civilians from Geogia some time ago too. Here just erevyone unhappy taht our prisident deciced to stop the war and dont annex Georgia, we jsut have Abkhazia and South Ossetia as your funny pets, and this s bad..
And aslo near all russians will be happy if we ll invide fucken Estonia and Lithuania and make there our own genocide. Be sure one day our tanks will be near your house.

LOL Looks like someones been brain washed.

Ure ready.. Hahaha nobody will help your nazi country!! Did Bush help his georgian pet?? No , cause noone wanna third war, we ll jsut say thta estonian goverment humble russian people right like u really do or something another, we really have enough reason to invade, not today, maybe in next 4 years but be sure we will, Putin start making police state here and i think this s great idea! And when we ll invade u will be first who will cry that American r evil and Russia is true owner of this land!

HAHAH Nazi country? LOLZ. HE WANTS PUTIN TO MAKE A POLICE STATE?! HAHAH

Our army showed the power in this war , we kicked georgian asses in few days and lost near nothing, and your nation is the nation of cowards which can screech about evil Russia only then thinks everything in save and USA protect your asses , look history, your country always was under any more powerful countries, so u better jsut to get as much vaseline as u can again, so it will not be so bad in your asses...

LOL HES PROUD THEY KICKED GEORGIAS ASS? LOLZ

Nobody will help thise nazies bitches cause reason for attnack i think will be thier great celebrate of Third Reich in 2009 cause of 70 years since nazies started war, they already made the parades of this fucken nazies bitches last year and a year before last. Nobody like nazies only people in Estonia and some ukrainian bitches. Ask Aero, he ll tell u that all nazies r good guys and savers of estonians and russians r butchers.
And whats bad in Glory of Russian Empire?? Now i have a country which i love and many our people will go to fight nazies, trust me, we r not the nation of cowards.
And about mongols, sorry we r not Aryans, y we have a blood of mogols and many more nationals but we all r russians and proud of it!!

LOL

1:17 to 24 russian are neo-nazis from estimates
It is estimated that half the world's current neo-nazis reside in russia

He said Russians arent Nazis, Someone owned him.

Lol i can say just 1:17 to 24 american are neo-nazis from estimates (from what they said in the another video, trust me we have this shit in our internet too).
Thats jsut bullshit, 70% of russians dont even know the word "neo-nazi" they r living in small town and villages and prefer to drink vodka that think about this. Skinheads r sutuated jsut in big cities like Mockow or St. Peterburg and its like 3-5% of people from 14 to 25 now its not fashion, in Russia now more fashion to look like gay(no they r not metrosexuals...) and i hate it too like i hate our russian nazies, so stupid to think about nation just by watching video from internet if u wanna come to Mockow i can make u excursion and aslo i have free room to live so come)

LOL RUSSIAN GAY TREND! LOL


WOW I Sure hope people open their eyes to this. THESE are the kind of ppl who are in Russia, and who own Russia. GOOD GJ RUSSIANS!

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! Still Hate THE Good Old US of A PPL?

BTW Im from Canada.


PS

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Be afraid. Be very afraid of us.

 

[Taur]

It's pointless to argue this since most of us know none of the story before Georgia attacked. Yes Georgia attacked, but why? Were the South Ossetians attacking them before in like hit-and-run attacks? That's the only plausible explanation I can think of, or else Georgia is simple another country trying to keep control of thier land.

 

[Mechanical Man]

I read the whole thread and to be honest, your posts seemed the most retarded. Nuking Russians, Arabs. What the hell are you talking about? Why you do you hate Iran so much?

Georgians weren't defending theirselves (they were of course, when Russian retaliated), they stroke at mainly civilian targets, there was no time to wait for some UN approvations. If UN would react so fast as were Russian, we wouldn't have Srebrenica and this shit.

Suckasshivili must resign for the good of Georgia.

And that pic makes no sense, that happened 70 years ago and we know why.

HINT: Stalin purges



EDIT:
Taur: I think we would surely know of these attacks if really happened, Georgians would not surely show the proofs.

 

[Celebrate]

Modern Russia != Soviet Union
don't forget this.

 

[redmarine]

Modern Russia != Soviet Union
don't forget this.

This new guy is clever.

 

[brad.dude03]

Modern Russia != Soviet Union
don't forget this.

Yes, but they're government isn't exactly a perfect example for democracy and freedom.

 

[redmarine]

Yes, but they're government isn't exactly a perfect example for democracy and freedom.

Neither was the former communistic system.

 

[brad.dude03]

No shit? Maybe that's why it was a COMMUNIST government rather than a DEMOCRATIC government? Duh gee, wow, that was deep.

 

[Maedh]

I read the whole thread and to be honest, your posts seemed the most retarded. Nuking Russians, Arabs. What the hell are you talking about? Why you do you hate Iran so much?

is that realy relevent to this? I Hate Iran because they fund most of the terrorists. Duh.

Georgians weren't defending theirselves (they were of course, when Russian retaliated), they stroke at mainly civilian targets, there was no time to wait for some UN approvations. If UN would react so fast as were Russian, we wouldn't have Srebrenica and this shit.

For all you know they were. Russia Is supplying troops and supplies to the south. Im pretty sure that Georgia was tryin to settle shit befor it became too hot.

Suckasshivili must resign for the good of Georgia.

You only say that because Russia intervened. Other wise he woulda pwnt the south, and would be a hero.

And that pic makes no sense, that happened 70 years ago and we know why.

Lolz Face it russia sucks. Its only good at fighting countries that have no military.

HINT: Stalin purges



EDIT:
Taur: I think we would surely know of these attacks if really happened, Georgians would not surely show the proofs.

They would but ppl in russia dont wana hear it.

 

[Celebrate]

Its only good at fighting countries that have no military.

Nazi Germany had no militaty? o rly?

 

[Masiah]

They would but ppl in russia dont wana hear it.

Excuse me, hear what? I haven't seen any other proofs shown to any other countries.

 

[Sansui]

It doesn't really matter anymore(Russia was wrong in the first place IMO) Russia fucked up when they violated the treaty to fall back.

 

[Mechanical Man]

They would but ppl in russia dont wana hear it.

But in some other nation would really like to and I don't think Russia is an obstacle to get hands on them. Something would leak anyway.

Yes, but they're government isn't exactly a perfect example for democracy and freedom.

The president and government were elected democratically. After Yeltsin catastrophe there is not even need to fake the elections.

 

[Maedh]

But in some other nation would really like to and I don't think Russia is an obstacle to get hands on them. Something would leak anyway.



The president and government were elected democratically. After Yeltsin catastrophe there is not even need to fake the elections.

I dont think Putin and his KBG accomplices would allow such a thing to leak out...


OH, and ur right no need to fake elections because Putin is beating and killing anyone who opposes him.

 

[Masiah]

OH, and ur right no need to fake elections because Putin is beating and killing anyone who opposes him.

Amusing.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I dont think Putin and his KBG accomplices would allow such a thing to leak out...


OH, and ur right no need to fake elections because Putin is beating and killing anyone who opposes him.

In California, you can always find the party.
In Soviet Russia, the party can always find you.

 

[Vicboy]

This new guy is clever.

He ain't new, he just revived himself from this forums after 3 years...

06-16-2005, 08:08 PM was his first post...

BTW, I click 10th page, I get into the 9th page :-\

EDIT:

Well, it used to be...

BTW, I haven't voted who is right or wrong cause its not very clear... Still many people on those two sides...

 

[Grim]

I reckon Russia is right to attack...
Georgia attacked first, expecting Russia not to react.

Same kinda principle with the Falklands war. Argentina didn't expect England to react.

 

[Maedh]

LOL What gave russia the right to invade?



THE UNITED NATIONS DID NOT STOP GEORGIA WHY THE FU€K WOULD RUSSIA?



PEOPLE NEED TO GET THIS THROUGH THEIR HEADS, THE UN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THE AFFAIRS OF COUNTRIES, NOT RUSSIA. GOD.

 

[Deleted member 139377]

Wow, your a political idiot.

Do you have any comprehension of the way the world really works?

The united nations is an organization made to keep world affairs managed. To a point, they aren't the new fucking world order.

Russia, is led by people who want Russia to regain it's position as a super power, and they are well on their way to doing so, thus their rather aggressive attitude.

On topic of the war with Georgia, Russia built strong relations with the two regions in Georgia wanting their own sovereignty. When Georgia denied them this, even after a bloody civil war in the 90's after the U.S.S.R. collapsed.

To add unto this, Russia and Georgia have never had good relations, but another thing is, Russians had peace keeping troops in the area when the Georgians attacked South Othetia, and South Othetia contained many Russian citizens. Alone that is two reasons for a conflict.

Now, if you want to look back to the little happening in Kosova not so long ago, Russia was against it, and Russia, and the USA have always been rivals, this can be seen as a minor backlash for the USA interfering inside of something it has no business to...

But this time, it is an US ally getting the shit head, not a Russian. But the difference is, Georgia actually attack the regions Russia was backing for future independence.

On top of that, this conflict is NOTHING compared the either one of the US wars in Iraq, or Afghanistan, and the western media always looks to completely fuck any war out there, the American media specifically, I have seen so much bull being spat out on telivision, on the web, and in the news papers by American media stations such as Fox, CNN, and MSNBC, they are always claiming it is breaking news, all they really do is push the moral of Americans citizens to the edge, they were the reason when those who were drafted in Vietnam, were spat upon when they arrived home. They will completely rape anything a country does, and make the American public believe it. This isn't a major problem in the rest of the world, because most other news networks, are not as Bias.


And guess what.

I am guessing you are one of those people who actually believe the media on everything? Aren't you?


SO listen here.

RUSSIA, AND GEORGIA, BEING SOVEREIGN NATIONS, EACH HAVE THE RIGHT, TO RETALIATE, IN FULL FORCE, IF THE OTHER DELIBERATELY STRIKES, EITHER AN ALLY, OR AN AREA WHERE RUSSIAN/GEORGIAN CITIZENS ARE LOCATED, AND AN AREA WHERE RUSSIAN/GEORGIAN FORCES ARE LOCATED.

Meaning! Georgia totally violated Russia's right to have peace keepers in the area, and Georgia could have told the peace keepers to leave, they technically help rule over that area still. Though internal affairs have been constantly moving more and more over to the local government.

 

[teeaichsee]

I reckon Russia is right to attack...
Georgia attacked first, expecting Russia not to react.

Same kinda principle with the Falklands war. Argentina didn't expect England to react.

well actually georgia knew russia would react, they just hoped that america would interfere and side with the georgians.

they were deff just to attack georgia

for the mother land!

 

[Deleted member 139377]

That is a real possibility.

But if the USA ubterfeared, they could have escalated into minor nuclear exchange, knowing the current world situation, the Russian leadership is just as hard headed as the American.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Wow, your a political idiot.

Do you have any comprehension of the way the world really works?

The united nations is an organization made to keep world affairs managed. To a point, they aren't the new fucking world order.

Russia, is led by people who want Russia to regain it's position as a super power, and they are well on their way to doing so, thus their rather aggressive attitude.

On topic of the war with Georgia, Russia built strong relations with the two regions in Georgia wanting their own sovereignty. When Georgia denied them this, even after a bloody civil war in the 90's after the U.S.S.R. collapsed.

To add unto this, Russia and Georgia have never had good relations, but another thing is, Russians had peace keeping troops in the area when the Georgians attacked South Othetia, and South Othetia contained many Russian citizens. Alone that is two reasons for a conflict.

Now, if you want to look back to the little happening in Kosova not so long ago, Russia was against it, and Russia, and the USA have always been rivals, this can be seen as a minor backlash for the USA interfering inside of something it has no business to...

But this time, it is an US ally getting the shit head, not a Russian. But the difference is, Georgia actually attack the regions Russia was backing for future independence.

On top of that, this conflict is NOTHING compared the either one of the US wars in Iraq, or Afghanistan, and the western media always looks to completely fuck any war out there, the American media specifically, I have seen so much bull being spat out on telivision, on the web, and in the news papers by American media stations such as Fox, CNN, and MSNBC, they are always claiming it is breaking news, all they really do is push the moral of Americans citizens to the edge, they were the reason when those who were drafted in Vietnam, were spat upon when they arrived home. They will completely rape anything a country does, and make the American public believe it. This isn't a major problem in the rest of the world, because most other news networks, are not as Bias.


And guess what.

I am guessing you are one of those people who actually believe the media on everything? Aren't you?


SO listen here.

RUSSIA, AND GEORGIA, BEING SOVEREIGN NATIONS, EACH HAVE THE RIGHT, TO RETALIATE, IN FULL FORCE, IF THE OTHER DELIBERATELY STRIKES, EITHER AN ALLY, OR AN AREA WHERE RUSSIAN/GEORGIAN CITIZENS ARE LOCATED, AND AN AREA WHERE RUSSIAN/GEORGIAN FORCES ARE LOCATED.

Meaning! Georgia totally violated Russia's right to have peace keepers in the area, and Georgia could have told the peace keepers to leave, they technically help rule over that area still. Though internal affairs have been constantly moving more and more over to the local government.

A great reply. +rep

 

[Deleted member 139377]

Thankyou, though it could always be 200% better...

Now, um, back on topic, I don't forsee the UN actually stepping in, regardless of what people think, the USA and Russia are still the most dominant nations, and China and India are on the way up.

If the US wont stand up to Russia in this case, then NaTO wont, the UN wont, and the EU wont.

And this war is not a matter of right or wrong.
Politically Georgia is wrong, and Russia is right.
Morally both are wrong for the conflict itself.
Russia is in the wrong for rejecting Georgia's offer of a cease fire.

yadda yadda yadda!

 

[Sansui]

Politically... Russia is FUCKING wrong. It had no right to plant russian immigrants to cause problems and create more descent in Georgia. Yes Georgia attacked GEORGIA not russia, russia knew that the only chance they had to bullly georgia around more would be to claim the people of georgia as russian citiizens they even handed out pasports for crying outloud. UTTER BULLSHIT by the russian people trying to foster war, and rebuild the soviet union.

 

[Vicboy]

Okay, I'll start sharing my opinion... (Starts making the a -rep Barrier)

I think Georgia is so stupid for killing the peacemakers knowing that Russia would get pissed. She is beside Russia, she isn't such a rich country, she is supported by America and is given guns.

I don't think Russia would start the war. I mean, I know they're a communist country, but I don't see why anyone would want to war against another country. They waste so much money inflicting little damage against each other and I doubt its for "money" or "expansion". They are even having military and econ

America, I think, doesn't want to support Russia because she has inflicted more damage and casualties than Georgia. But maybe, that's about it. (Also that Russia has 10k nukes, Georgia is in range of all of those nukes, and that Russia doesn't really like America.)

EDIT:

Russia, is led by people who want Russia to regain it's position as a super power, and they are well on their way to doing so, thus their rather aggressive attitude.

Well, I think they're far away from even being a super power with all of their problems... And I thought they were never a super power :-\???

Let Russia drop $10k bombs to Georgia's fields...