The Struggle v1.0

[Moderator]

18:21, 31st Dec 2015
StoPCampinGn00b:
The impressiveness of the cinematic is more captivating than its story, as are with many short flicks with dark themes. Ain't nothing less to be expected from APproject's work. 5/5!

Do note there is brief non-sexual nudity which may be inappropriate for some.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Amazing! If I didn't notice a few tell-tale signs of warcraft like the rain drops and the smoke, I would never have thought it was made with world editor. 5/5 obviously. Super high quality even if a bit melodramatic.

 

[Rex.]

Abit Nudism.

It is 18-Rated.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Map approved, moderator comment up top.

 

[Knight of Arsford]

Wonderful. Amazing cinematic! 5/5!

 

[Eat_Bacon_Daily]

Great cinematic! You really brought out the feeling of dreary hopelessness through your imagery.

 

[CafeSaiGon]

How to play and start game?

 

[Rex.]

Dude, it is not a multiplayer game. It is played in singleplayer.

 

[CafeSaiGon]

Ok ..thank you
I can play this game at Singleplayer

 

[Binsu]

Another work from APproject and what can I say? Just amazing! The plot is truly good and has this psychological thrill in it. The camera work is good plus with the amazing scenery that adds up to the rich but terrifying world that you want the viewers to see, a dark and hopeless world filled with a grave disease. The dialogue is well thought of and is not your typical lines and they are done in a way for me poetically. You've played well with the animations for each characters involved. Seeing how Warcraft 3 is limited in these things, you've just found ways (or probably, I'm not just aware on how to do so) on how to play with much more complex animations, adding more life to the characters.

All in all, this deserves much praise. A 5/5 from me! A great gift for New year, aye!

 

[APproject]

Thank you guys for your generous words, I appreciate it a lot. It is always pleasant to see hive's community satisfied with my work, afterall I do it for you.

 

[leventopoulo]

Freakishly Genious

Bloody marvellous work. You my friend are an artist! 5/5 from me.

 

[Blast]

Wow... this was like a movie, i mean it was better then a movie good job, i hope to seeing more of your work in the future!!!

 

[Rufus]

Superb.

 

[knight26]

Amazing.
Any chance of this getting a D/C?

 

[APproject]

I truly appreciate those comments and ratings, thank you.

Any chance of this getting a D/C?

No no, this is way too simple for a DC. I will attempt to grab it with Acheron's Affliction though, if I'm lucky of course.

 

[Wasabee]

This still deserves a spot tho.
It's marvelous.

 

[Naze]

Beautiful, very moody and most importantly (for me): very immersive. Well done APproject

Do you think of finishing it/further developing the cinematic, without the 5min mark? I hope so.

Btw I was surprised to see the so-called "camera fade out trick" to open the door, that we discussed at the thread, ha ha ha. Good luck with the contest!

 

[tyci]

I really didn't think such cinematics to be possible in Warcraft 3. This must have taken you a massive amount of time and determination to complete.
Did she have to be nude though?

 

[FireTiger]

Amazing!! 5/5 + Rep

 

[Galles]

My god !!!!!!!!!!!!

5/5 !!!!!

 

[APproject]

Thanks, guys.

Do you think of finishing it/further developing the cinematic, without the 5min mark?

No, I think not. I had plans for portraying at least 2 plague victims at start, but time limitation forced me to make it work with only 1, but I guess I am okay with that.

Did she have to be nude though?

No, of course not. I contacted Staff and asked if this kind of non-sexual nudity was allowed, they allowed it, so I kept it for the shock and surprise factor. In case it was not allowed, I would have changed the skin, adding some bands and hide it. But the nude part is truly essential in this cinematic for an overal picture I am trying to portray, it gives another shade for the atmosphere.

 

[BlackEnvyX]

This is an utterly fantastic cinematic and honestly pushes the World Editor to its absolute limits.
5/5, one of the best cinematics I've seen on Warcraft III in my over ten years of playing this game.
Also, 3D rendered boobs aren't 18+, not even 15 years ago you could show boobs in a PG rated film (at least in America) and I'd like to work towards bringing that standard back.

 

[Sclammerz]

Just wow! The terrain, cameras, dialogues and the overall impression of the cinematic are outstanding and very well made. The story didn't appeal to me much though but it's just me. Anyway great job, APproject. 5/5!

 

[JaysProjex]

I see you put a lot of work into it but not so much thought on the story, the animations & sounds/voices are precisely spot on but I don't see anything interesting about it other than a weak plot which strikes it odd, so much work put into models rather than focusing on a good story. The nudity wasn't necessary but apparently that's the generation for you nude is *flashy* & pulls people into liking the cinematic because we all know when private parts are exposed "it's a must see" so let's rate it 5 stars why not.

I enjoy your work but this is not one of them, sorry.

 

[BlackEnvyX]

I see you put a lot of work into it but not so much thought on the story, the animations & sounds/voices are precisely spot on but I don't see anything interesting about it other than a weak plot which strikes it odd, so much work put into models rather than focusing on a good story. The nudity wasn't necessary but apparently that's the generation for you nude is *flashy* & pulls people into liking the cinematic because we all know when private parts are exposed "it's a must see" so let's rate it 5 stars why not.

I enjoy your work but this is not one of them, sorry.

Completely incorrect. In the 80s / 90s, the female breast was shown in PG rated films without anyone caring.
People are afraid of sexuality these days.

 

[APproject]

I see you put a lot of work into it but not so much thought on the story, the animations & sounds/voices are precisely spot on but I don't see anything interesting about it other than a weak plot which strikes it odd, so much work put into models rather than focusing on a good story.

I completely disagree with you on this. In my opinion this was one of the best plots I have ever covered. The thing is, viewer needs a certain baggage of knowledge on the matter in order to relate in this story. I read myself various documents and historical sources describing how thing were back then and so I tried to portray the mood, symbolic meaning, emotional fight that was pretty much present back then. This was not only about some sickness that just spread and killed, it was about hopelessness, how desperate times were, how hard it was to understand the disease so that people grabbed the bible (there was even a scene with a Holy Bible on the table, no one really noticed it or noted about it though), how tough it has been for doctors who knew nothing about curing yet they had to take the blame for killing so to speak, how their word doomed families locked in the house for 40 days, literally locked and that's what you saw in this cinematic, and many more relations. First time I managed to create something based on emotions and moods, viewer has to emapthize with other characters and hopefully feel what is happening there with their own skin (also some knowledge is needed to understand what is going on, to relate), that was the core of the story. I focused on the portrayal of the feeling and emotion, how hard it was, and not on some clishe crap storyline about how a hero has to retrieve an artifact and save the world, what probably the most would call a good story.

The nudity wasn't necessary but apparently that's the generation for you nude is *flashy* & pulls people into liking the cinematic because we all know when private parts are exposed "it's a must see" so let's rate it 5 stars why not.

Of course it was not necessary, but why not? During that time filth, disease and naked bodies, open wounds, thieves, rapers were present, why would I censor it? As if back then women had no breasts. Nude is flashy indeed, but it was made just for the shock factor and the displayal of filth, because it was not sexual content, just naked breasts, also with black bubons over the body. Current generation would most likely want Nicki Minaj's meat bouncing all over the screen, this content of mine I call artistic instead. Anyway, it would be really sad if people voted 5/5 just because of nude content, as it was just a cherry on the pie, not the pie itself.

 

[BlackEnvyX]

I completely disagree with you on this. In my opinion this was one of the best plots I have ever covered. The thing is, viewer needs a certain baggage of knowledge on the matter in order to relate in this story. I read myself various documents and historical sources describing how thing were back then and so I tried to portray the mood, symbolic meaning, emotional fight that was pretty much present back then. This was not only about some sickness that just spread and killed, it was about hopelessness, how desperate times were, how hard it was to understand the disease so that people grabbed the bible (there was even a scene with a Holy Bible on the table, no one really noticed it or noted about it though), how tough it has been for doctors who knew nothing about curing yet they had to take the blame for killing so to speak, how their word doomed families locked in the house for 40 days, literally locked and that's what you saw in this cinematic, and many more relations. First time I managed to create something based on emotions and moods, viewer has to emapthize with other characters and hopefully feel what is happening there with their own skin (also some knowledge is needed to understand what is going on, to relate), that was the core of the story. I focused on the portrayal of the feeling and emotion, how hard it was, and not on some clishe crap storyline about how a hero has to retrieve an artifact and save the world, what probably the most would call a good story.

Of course it was not necessary, but why not? During that time filth, disease and naked bodies, open wounds, thieves, rapers were present, why would I censor it? As if back then women had no breasts. Nude is flashy indeed, but it was made just for the shock factor and the displayal of filth, because it was not sexual content, just naked breasts, also with black bubons over the body. Current generation would most likely want Nicki Minaj's meat bouncing all over the screen, this content of mine I call artistic instead. Anyway, it would be really sad if people voted 5/5 just because of nude content, as it was just a cherry on the pie, not the pie itself.

+Rep not only for your amazing cinematic now, but for having common sense and a mature approach to nudity.

 

[Ariagil]

Review

The Struggle v1.0 review
"May the Lord be merciful."

Review

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A beautiful cinematic with stunning visuals and voice acting.


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Aesthetics
The terrain is just astonishing, while Iceborn has a strong wow effect, this environemnt is just as realistic as Warcraft 3 can get. In the same time, the effort of being realistic didn't affect the aesthetics negatively, rather the other way around.
The voice acting surprised me! Your RPG projects do have voice acting which is a nice thing on its own, but this time the sound is very clear and the acting feels actually authentic, and that's quite a unique thing when it comes to Wacraft 3.
The script is written quite well, I like the idea and the main theme and even though I feel something could be a little bit different to make the ending even more dramatic and use all the potential (that might be because of the limitations of Warcraft 3, if it was simply a stand off short film, it would be just amazing, I'm sure), however, the sombre end of the story felt very gloomy and it concluded the story in a great way, along with some really nice lines... "Lord, here I come."

+
Beautiful environment, amazing voice acting, great story and nice monologues
-
Sometimes it felt a little too slow, the animations are simply made for a different speed


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Rating
5/5

A breathtaking cinematic stretching beyond Warcraft 3 in many ways.

 

[clockwork2]

Hrrmmm I'm thinking of trying the WC III film industry... Any advice?

 

[APproject]

Thank you for your support, BlackEnvyX.

Thanks for the review and the rating, Ariagil, I enjoyed reading it.

Hrrmmm I'm thinking of trying the WC III film industry... Any advice?

What do you mean by that? Do you expect to earn money with this, or you just trying to make a cinematic? Or what do you have in mind?

 

[Holymind]

Awesome map! Hosted on ENt played it with other players. Cool map.

 

[deepstrasz]

Visual atmosphere, sound ambiance & a concise message.

 

[N41]

Voting for DC!!

 

[BiroN]

Ya had me at the boobies.
Otherwise very great work (y)

 

[Mike]

Well made W3 cinematic) Never seen such like this.

 

[Rheiko]

Those boobies tho <3

anyway, great work. Cool cinematic.

 

[APproject]

Thanks, guys.

 

[aeman]

this maps reminds me of the bubonic plague incident

 

[A]mun]

Very impressive!

The atmosphere was very dense and felt completely rounded. Also, the mechanical aspect seems perfectly executed (no model stuttering while slow-mo, no misplaced sounds/music/low bitrate etc)

The plot is short, true, but also focussed on point.

Do you see a possibility to make it much better? It seems that you pretty much exhausted the tools of W3.

One wonders

 

[APproject]

Thanks. Of course, there is no end when it comes to achieving better and better result in my opinion. I still seem to come up with better result for my maps with each release, so I am sure it is not a limit for me, well, I hope so, hehe. For example, in this cinematic I tried making custom animations for the first time, this was new for me, therefore I was able to get a finer result, perhaps there will be something else for the next contest that will help to surpass this entry.

 

[JaysProjex]

Completely incorrect. In the 80s / 90s, the female breast was shown in PG rated films without anyone caring.
People are afraid of sexuality these days.

You must of read elsewhere because it's irrelevant to what I said in fact you got it backwards. I was simply implying that "nudity" draws attention so it will get a 5/5 rating easily, I mean look it's on the front page now.

I completely disagree with you on this. In my opinion this was one of the best plots I have ever covered. The thing is, viewer needs a certain baggage of knowledge on the matter in order to relate in this story.

The thing is I already assumed that everyone knew about it so that is why it wasn't interesting to me almost like watching a small part of history repeating itself in a tiny episode.

It's like watching people die & suffer, there's nothing great about those things.

 

[APproject]

I was simply implying that "nudity" draws attention so it will get a 5/5 rating easily, I mean look it's on the front page now.

It gets 5/5 not because of nudity, it gets 5/5 because of overall quality. It won the cinematic contest and the term was the winner gets to the front page. Are you implying that breasts brought me to the front page? That is really a silly claim. Judges of the contest did not make any remarks about nudity when reviewing, they were professional, it did not buy them.

The thing is I already assumed that everyone knew about it so that is why it wasn't interesting to me almost like watching a small part of history repeating itself in a tiny episode.

Everyone knew about the plague epidemic, yeah, but did everyone know about the plague doctors? Did everyone know about about their struggles against the disease which could not have been defeated? Did everyone know about their methods and social / medical status? Do everyone know this just like the plague epidemic story? Well, I didn't, it's cool you did.

 

[JaysProjex]

Judges of the contest did not make any remarks about nudity when reviewing, they were professional

They have to be professional, if they added that remark it would obviously be offensive.

but did everyone know about the plague doctors? Did everyone know about about their struggles against the disease which could not have been defeated? Did everyone know about their methods and social / medical status? Do everyone know this just like the plague epidemic story? Well, I didn't, it's cool you did.

No of course you didn't, that's basically what I just said.


Below is the quote on the front news page which says nothing about story, we can both agree to the second quote that does.

The Struggle is a technical marvel. It has it all: high-res models, custom animations, competent voice acting, detailed terrain and sounds down to every footstep. It is a superb work both in terms of effort and talent and a worthy recipient of the first prize.

If I had to point out any weaknesses (which I do, being the judge and all), I would say that perhaps some more cohesion could be added by better developing the transitions between the three parts of the cinematic, currently the cuts between them are a bit abrupt.

Also, the voice acting of the residents of the second house could be improved. The first lines feel a bit rushed, the man is explaining how desperate he is to save her but the desperation doesn't really show in his voice. Again, it is not a big issue, the voice acting is still much better than what I've heard in cinematics in the past.

Thus I am happy to select The Struggle as the winner of the 6th Hive cinematic contest. Congratulations!

As I said before I like your work this just is not one of them but you're simply in denial & making false assumptions elsewhere, in fact I like your work that much is the whole reason why I'm telling you this but you blindly accept it the other way, I'm kind of disappointed.

I rest my case

 

[APproject]

So I am the one who is making false assumptions? Obviously blaming for getting 5/5 and for being on the front page just because of nudity content and subjectively being unable to see the point in the story are no false assumptions, right?

Why would it be offensive? It wouldn't, it is subjective, your culture or personal beliefs sees it subjectively, therefore forming your premature opinion about it, which actually remains to be an opinion. I have no problem with opinions, but don't spread it as some conspiracy based facts as nudity did it all. Oh and you probably did not make it to the second judge, who actually mentioned the story.

 

[Sgt.Pierce]

This cinematic is way great, from the terrain, cameras to the sounds and dialogue, how you made it creepy! But some part for me seemed slow. Yet overall 5/5!! Fantastic job!

I'll look forward for more cinematics made by APproject. 6/5!
Anyways, comments here sure talks 'bout that nude part
its not that part made the cinematic 5/5, its how the story and cinematic was made. I mean, c'mon guys, seriously? what's the big deal with that being nude? morons

 

[makeranj]

can i get a link of other cinematics?

in the cinematics contest

 

[APproject]

Go to Forum -> The Arena -> Contest Archive -> 2nd page -> Cinematic Contest #6

 

[makeranj]

Go to Forum -> The Arena -> Contest Archive -> 2nd page -> Cinematic Contest #6

tnx! +rep, btw that was a pretty nice cinematic dude! i love medieval period.Btw im gonna watch Human Error soon heheheh TNX AGAIN!.


EDIT:Just finished watching Human Error, man that was another good project from you! watched it while having supper. Very GOOD 5/5