The resource stealing has to stop!

[olofmoleman]

I'm so sick and tired of seeing newbies stealing other peoples hard work and claiming it for their own, or map makers not giving credit to the maker of models and skins.
I think resource stealers should be banned for an X period of time, and if they do it again, banned permanently.

 

[N00byStance]

How would you detect them?

 

[Horn]

Pretty easy.

Make a post 'Awesome models here, please do not download'.

Log whoever downloads.

IP ban.

 

[olofmoleman]

or just catch them when you find a stolen resource.

 

[N00byStance]

Let's just create a list. Nick/aliases of thief, what resource he stole, name of map where he used it, and link to place where the resource is hosted with real author's name. Voila.

 

[Ghost27]

i agree with you all, here is example of stealing ^^

i've joined b-net game called starwars footy or something like that, and i were talking about models used with creator of map, and i asked him, if he got working yoda model, because olofoleman's got fudged attack animation, so he said something like "DAMN YOU, YOU KNOW THAT MY MODEL ISN'T WORKING, etc"

1. he said that all models used in his map belong to him, because he downloaded it and now they are his models
2. he did not given credits, and in game some peoples said "nice models where u get them??"
"i made them etc"
this was crap, this must end some how

 

[Metal_Sonic]

People who don't give credits are there own problem. Who's to say they even got the model here? Obviously stolen resources will be removed.

 

[VGsatomi]

Well, not giving credit is one thing. If someone takes the time to make a quality resource like olof here, they should recieve proper credit in whatever map they were used in. But thats just it, its essentially a courtesy. Making a rule making it so maps were deleted for not giving credit would serously deplete our archive (which may have to happen anyway). It may be rude, but its not stealing. The public is given free and unlimited access to the resources here.

However, if they use a resouce and TAKE CREDIT, then that is a bad thing, because that is flat out stealing.

I mean, I've played a few maps that had my models in them and not once have I ever been given credit, but that doesnt anger me. Now if someone claimed they they made them and not me, then thats a little different.
-VGsatomi

 

[N00byStance]

I'm not *that* famous modeler to see my models stealed, however that would make me a little bit angry. :roll:

 

[olofmoleman]

i agree with you all, here is example of stealing ^^

i've joined b-net game called starwars footy or something like that, and i were talking about models used with creator of map, and i asked him, if he got working yoda model, because olofoleman's got fudged attack animation, so he said something like "DAMN YOU, YOU KNOW THAT MY MODEL ISN'T WORKING, etc"

1. he said that all models used in his map belong to him, because he downloaded it and now they are his models
2. he did not given credits, and in game some peoples said "nice models where u get them??"
"i made them etc"
this was crap, this must end some how

wtf... people like that should be banned...

Well, not giving credit is one thing. If someone takes the time to make a quality resource like olof here, they should recieve proper credit in whatever map they were used in. But thats just it, its essentially a courtesy. Making a rule making it so maps were deleted for not giving credit would serously deplete our archive (which may have to happen anyway). It may be rude, but its not stealing. The public is given free and unlimited access to the resources here.

However, if they use a resouce and TAKE CREDIT, then that is a bad thing, because that is flat out stealing.

I mean, I've played a few maps that had my models in them and not once have I ever been given credit, but that doesnt anger me. Now if someone claimed they they made them and not me, then thats a little different.
-VGsatomi

maybe they didn't give you credit for your models, but did you ask for it? I did, I supply this site with as high quality resources I can make
all I ask is credit for the work I do, is that so much to ask? I think not.
so in my oppinion there are two types of "stealers"
Newbies
and "real" stealers
newbies just didn't know they broke a rule or over looked something, that can be forgiven.
but people woh don't care and act as if tehy made it them selves should be punished.

Let's just create a list. Nick/aliases of thief, what resource he stole, name of map where he used it, and link to place where the resource is hosted with real author's name. Voila.

yeah...

here's one that stole my Hell Dragon mod just a few days ago
Name of stealer: Egie poo poo
Resource stolen: Hell Dragon

and I have an idea...
what if "real" stealers get a permanent ban on uploaing resources.
if they steal once they can;t do it again.
they could still come to the site and download stuff and post on the forums, just not upload stuff.
so, what do you people think about this?

 

[Kimbo]

Name of stealer: Egie poo poo
Resource stolen: Hell Dragon

they can still host that model on other sites like hubb or wc3c i jusr realised, but that is still a tasty idea.

he also used my dragon and changed the wings by simply lowering them and some crappy skin in ms paint i thinks..
and he didnt even ask.

Im gettin pissed off at him...i might give him some ideas and such to help him but him using other models as bases and then adding a simply gradient or crappy skin is just not on.

Hmm...yeah...if i saw one of my models being used on bnet and someone said that id friggin kill them.

 

[Tim.]

they can still host that model on other sites like hubb or wc3c i jusr realised, but that is still a tasty idea.

We (Wc3C) do not condone stolen resources, and all uploads to our resource center require aproval from a member of staff to be displayed to the public. Most of the staff are aware who-created-what and the like. If a stolen resource is found, it will be removed from the database.

 

[Kimbo]

^^ koolies..just hope they dont steal them....i cant wait to submit some stuff, but yeah..maybe there is a way to mark models and skins by either digital water mark or for models, mdl heading data so noobs will miss it and get caught.

 

[Chaosarmy]

ON one of my maps, I used like 50 models from this site. I gave credit to the whole website. Is that enough?

 

[james1654]

When you make a map, keep a list of Modelers, skinners and beta testers. Put them in a credits section on quests or make them apear in game - message to player trigger.

 

[Blade.dk2]

The correct way of giving credits is listing all authors of things you did not create yourself AND list what objects they made. If you don't credit that way you are, more or less directly, stealing.

Example of crediting (from my map where it is a quest, color codes just replaced with bold tags):

Blade.dk: Map, terrain, spells, AI, Inventory System, some icons, some models, and everything not listed elsewhere.

Vexorian: The Caster System, The Hero Selection system, the SimError, GetPlayerNameColored, Bounty and GetRandomPlayerName functions, the Storm, Earth And Fire and Airy Charge icons.
Mc !: The Blaze, Arcane Pyramid, Select Hero, Nuclear Strike, Bombs, Place Bomb and Explode Bombs icons.
weaadder: Bonus Mod.
Daelin: The map preview and the Duel Challenge icon.
KaTTaNa: AddTimedLightning function.
Cookie: Hero Glow models.
Eusira: Manastrike model.
EdwardSwolenToe: Electrical Shield model.
gookywooky: Holy Vengeance model.
Elunes-Guardian: Spit Blood model.
ArcanisteR: Burning Charge icon.
KoTuK: Holy Vengeance icon.

People that uses other people's stuff without crediting are idiots.

And by the way, why not delete maps with stolen contents from the site? It would help against your space problems, make the section cleaner and force people to give credits if they wanted their maps on the site. I hate that the site condones stealing, seriously, idiots are using the stuff I've spend hours on without even adding a stupid little reference to me, and their maps are accepted anyway.

 

[olofmoleman]

ON one of my maps, I used like 50 models from this site. I gave credit to the whole website. Is that enough?

NO
you have to give credit to the makers of the resources, NOT the site that hosted all the resources, although there is no harm in tahnking wc3sear.ch for being one of the biggest wc3 mod sites on the planet.

And by the way, why not delete maps with stolen contents from the site? It would help against your space problems, make the section cleaner and force people to give credits if they wanted their maps on the site. I hate that the site condones stealing, seriously, idiots are using the stuff I've spend hours on without even adding a stupid little reference to me, and their maps are accepted anyway.

When I say "I couldn't agree more" that would be an understatment...
oh what the hell, I'll say it anyway.
I couldn't agree more...

 

[VGsatomi]

I can understand your frustration, olof, as you've put more effort into your resources then most other modelers combined, but I think deleting all maps that dont give credit is a bit extreme. They are simply using what is available to them, so I dont see it a technically stealing. Afro made a map black list a while back I believe in the maps forum to list maps and mappers that used uncredited resources...perhaps you can revive that topic if you so desire. But if people take credit FOR your resources, then let me know and I will have them removed promtly.
-VGsatomi

 

[Chaosarmy]

dang, Im gonna have to find all those models again..... what if some that I used were deleted. Like the Gandalf Skin.

 

[james1654]

dang, Im gonna have to find all those models again..... what if some that I used were deleted. Like the Gandalf Skin.

Should have kept ur mouth shut then, lol.

Seriously though, now; People have spent hours making them resources and the least you can do is spend 20 mins to just find all the resources still here.

 

[Capcy]

If i was to put credit such as:

Thanks to www.wc3sear.ch for supplyin these resources (or something along these lines) would that be ok?

P.S. olof i found the 2 SWTJ pics hope u dont mind im gunna use them for my sig.

 

[DeadDogNoGoWoof]

someone just asked that question, and the answer is no. find the authors.

 

[Mr. Clean]

What about listing the type of custom resource (such as skins, models) and posting the names of the authors that made the sources of that type? Example:
Source Type 1 (skins for example): Name 1, Name 2, Name 3, etc.
Source Type 2 (models for example): Name 1, Name 2, Name 3, etc.
-Basically what we need is a uniform standard for giving credit that we can all agree upon and post it in the map section as a guideline for future map makers. (If its not there already.)

 

[Capcy]

someone just asked that question, and the answer is no. find the authors.

Ahhhh bugger, sorry i didnt think to look...ok then looks like i got some research to do because i wanna be a good person :roll:

Edit: Well this is what ive put in my map hope this is to peoples satisfaction

Models
Knight - alfredx_sotn
Assassin - Miseracord

Skins
Aragorn.blp - Hueter
Aragorns_Sword.blp - Hueter
heromountainking.blp - Hueter


All resources here are supplied by www.wc3sear.ch's people. DO NOT use these and say they are yours same goes with the map. I give full credit to the makers of these resources and congratulate them on a job well done.

 

[james1654]

On all of my maps, I usually give credit to wc3sear.ch because without them, I probabl wouldn't have had the inspiration to becoma a map maker. I usually do my credits like DD_draco did in post b4 me.

But guys, you cant do credits the same for all maps. Some map makers might want their loading screen normal to see who are laggers. And with campaigns, you cant use the quest thing for credits, or it would ruin the apearance.

Maybe the following would be better official site guidlines:

For all maps:
Must include the person and material they provided.

For normal custom maps:
A message either on loading screen, In game message to ALL players, quest that is entitled credits or a cinematic message of at least 5 seconds for each person mentioned, and material provided.

For campaigns:
A credits screen at end of campaign. We encourage you to make it interesting so that people watch it, and each person must get at least 5 seconds shown. (if you want to put 5 people on same cinematic transmition, that would be 25 seconds)

For Single mission campaign style maps:
Once mission is over, Black mask fade then back in, and then put the credits cinematic in. (as I said above, try to make it interesting to encourage people to watch it

p.s: i know i ahve not included mellee maps, that is because if they where to use any imported resources, they would fall under the catagory of custom maps. For these, make your unique terain, because thats what mellee map making is about.

 

[olofmoleman]

someone just asked that question, and the answer is no. find the authors.

Ahhhh bugger, sorry i didnt think to look...ok then looks like i got some research to do because i wanna be a good person :roll:

Edit: Well this is what ive put in my map hope this is to peoples satisfaction

Models
Knight - alfredx_sotn
Assassin - Miseracord

Skins
Aragorn.blp - Hueter
Aragorns_Sword.blp - Hueter
heromountainking.blp - Hueter


All resources here are supplied by www.wc3sear.ch's people. DO NOT use these and say they are yours same goes with the map. I give full credit to the makers of these resources and congratulate them on a job well done.

It doesn't really matter how the names are mentioned, what matters is that the authors of the credit they deserve.

 

[Capcy]

Well thats the way im putting it, i hope that is the way you mean by credit because thats the way i put it

 

[Blade.dk2]

Yes, your way of doing it is good.

 

[Kimbo]

yeah that is a good way.
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Hmm...im not sure though, this would be a err...unprocice eh? this one i mean.
Modelers:
blah, someone, drunk person, a cat person, anotehr person, blah, blah blah...
thats
i do know, i mean...if u use 50 models and like do this..
Models:
rat-Robby
dog-Robby
Bat-Robby
" "
" "
etc
id be watching that and id be like..o m GOSH! and id slam my head on the keyboard even if i did make those models.
maybe a rolling credits or in quests is always good and alot more fast and simple and precise.
i dont know...im just running out of ideas.

 

[Capcy]

Im sure i could make a cinematics of credits but i just have to remember how to...at least that way people cant leave unless they shut down warcraft :twisted:

 

[Blade.dk2]

yeah that is a good way.
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Hmm...im not sure though, this would be a err...unprocice eh? this one i mean.
Modelers:
blah, someone, drunk person, a cat person, anotehr person, blah, blah blah...
thats
i do know, i mean...if u use 50 models and like do this..
Models:
rat-Robby
dog-Robby
Bat-Robby
" "
" "
etc
id be watching that and id be like..o m GOSH! and id slam my head on the keyboard even if i did make those models.
maybe a rolling credits or in quests is always good and alot more fast and simple and precise.
i dont know...im just running out of ideas.

You should specify which resources each person made. For example people can want to use resources they've seen in your map, so they need to know who of the many modellers made it.

 

[VGsatomi]

so they need to know who of the many modellers made it.

The only thing they'd NEED to know is who to spam requests to.

Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it.
-VGsatomi

 

[Blade.dk2]

I'd prefer full credits and stupid requests over half/no credits and no stupid requests, thank you.

 

[DeadDogNoGoWoof]

yes, but tis still annoying nonetheless...*makes a resentful gesture at inbox"

 

[PenKnight]

1. Does that mean i have to credit blizzard for their wonder games, world editor and all their billions of models for every map i make?

2. Ok what if you can't find the maker of a model?

I'm not good at modeling but here an idea. Add a little symbol to your models. Make it look cool, hard to copy and hard to erase. So when one of you guys see it and no credit been given, kill them.

And if it maps, add a really small doodad or change a spefic unit property so you know it's yours.

 

[Capcy]

1. Does that mean i have to credit blizzard for their wonder games, world editor and all their billions of models for every map i make?

2. Ok what if you can't find the maker of a model?

I'm not good at modeling but here an idea. Add a little symbol to your models. Make it look cool, hard to copy and hard to erase. So when one of you guys see it and no credit been given, kill them.

And if it maps, add a really small doodad or change a spefic unit property so you know it's yours.

1. No it is widely known that things like that are done by blizzard DUH

2. Then just put unknown or ask others who it might be.

You say that like an initial like Daelin has done with his icons.

 

[Blade.dk2]

If you can't find the maker, don't use it. In most, but not all, cases the reason you don't know the maker is because you're dumb and didn't write it down upon download.

@DDNGW: Yes, agreed, it's Annoying like hell, but it's still the best of the two.

 

[Chaosarmy]

P.S. olof i found the 2 SWTJ pics hope u dont mind im gunna use them for my sig.

ow do you put a picture on your signature?

 

[Capcy]

.. .. .. .. .. if ya wanna put a pic in your sig then type in the box the url to the pic then put

after the url.

@blade.dk2: lots of people dont get the name DUH so you could be calling some of the more respectable people dumb and dont ask whos respectable cause thats for you to know

 

[Blade.dk2]

@blade.dk2: lots of people dont get the name DUH so you could be calling some of the more respectable people dumb and dont ask whos respectable cause thats for you to know

That's the dumbest thing I've heard for a long while.

If you don't write it down, you are dumb. End of story.

 

[Capcy]

That's the dumbest thing I've heard for a long while.

If you don't write it down, you are dumb. End of story.

Hmmm really now that’s news to me, well if that the dumbest thing you have heard for a while then I want to know who was saying it because I remember typing it. Also don’t be calling anyone dumb unless you know that they really are, in my opinion anybody that calls someone stupid and doesn’t know them personally is fairly stupid themselves so that might just put you into the category of being stupid.

 

[Blade.dk2]

If you don't give people the credit they deserve for their works, then you are dumb (and worse than that).

Doesn't really matter what else you're doing, if you're stealing you're dumb.

 

[Capcy]

yes that i would agree to people that wish to use a particular item should give credits to the creator.