Credits For Resources

[-Berz-]

Hello dear Hivers

I was messing around Dota Forums recently, posting, watching suggestions(mostly icons) and so on... I noticed that people just take icons from here, possibly edit them and they don't give credits(like claiming it's their work) So I snapped on forum staff and they did something about it.

From now on Dota Forums will give general credits to THW for it's used resources. Its all I could do, I was aiming for names of resource creators, but it's just not possible. Still better than nothing at least we get some credit.

Ok this is it, just to let you know

~Berz

 

[Lich Prince]

Yeah, I think General Frank faced a problem with something concerning this recently.

Good job Berz.

 

[Fussiler1]

Could you give us a link to the discussion?

 

[-Berz-]

It went via PM's.

Ok, mods are now actively discussing now and got some answer

- From supa_fly : Just encourage giving credits

- From Cp6uja_ : Make a rule about it

- From Wyk : As you suggest, make a sticky thread about must to give credits

- From Foede and several other staffs : Put hiveworkshop in links (which is nothing for now). So, this will give general credits for all hiveworkshop users.

Just FYI, making a sticky thread / rule / whatsoever is pretty much impratical since people will just forgot it as the time goes on. Also, make it mandatory will make mods (include me) will be very hard in managing all those threads. And furthermore, we can see several not-so-original icon (new made icon that is taken from another icon made by other people) and this could cause some problems. Personally, I prefer the last option to give credits generally instead of specific people.

this is the last PM, the conclusion.

 

[Deolrin]

Make them aware that the creators of the icons will not be very happy if people use their icons without credits. Put an ultimatum of sorts to them; tell them that the Hive moderators work much harder.

Also tell them to NOT allow people to edit other people's icons without DIRECT PERMISSION.

 

[-Berz-]

I'm trying, to do that, but moderators can't do much about it, people are just spaming with resources there and the thing got out of hand. Every time I saw an icon I posted a link to the original source, "yelled" at them, so they were forced to give credits. I think problem lies within people, they should learn to respect and value something.

I'll do my best and try to make something more of it.

 

[General Frank]

What do you except? Those are DotA players. 'Nuff said.

 

[Ralle]

I think you did well Berz, thanks a lot. The world could become a better place, but you just improved it a notch!

 

[dead-man-walking]

Hello dear Hivers

I was messing around Dota Forums recently, posting, watching suggestions(mostly icons) and so on... I noticed that people just take icons from here, possibly edit them and they don't give credits(like claiming it's their work) So I snapped on forum staff and they did something about it.

From now on Dota Forums will give general credits to THW for it's used resources. Its all I could do, I was aiming for names of resource creators, but it's just not possible. Still better than nothing at least we get some credit.

Ok this is it, just to let you know

~Berz

Awesome!

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

What do you except? Those are DotA players. 'Nuff said.

Usually I would disagree to generalize like that but after seeing this I have to agree. WCreplays had some melee fun tourneys with some custom maps and models and they did give credit to hive users. I remember they contained Mr Goblin model(s) but I guess Dotaers are dotaers, tards xD

 

[Kuhneghetz]

Yeah, typical DotArds. They have no respect towards resource authors and their works. And that's the main reason why I despise that community.

I'm very happy to see you're doing something about it, -BerZeKeR-. Big kudos to you and keep it up.

 

[~Void~]

Do they ever actually edit resources and implement them into the game? Otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, I'd be happy if someone used my icon or whatever in a suggestion; I don't really care if they recolor it without asking, since I'd just say yes anyways... if anything, I'd prefer not to be bothered. I'm sure nobody else thinks that way, but who knows.

 

[viiva]

Same here. If I upload them in the resource section, it means they are free to use. It's nice to be credited, but I don't really care. If you want to edit them I'd like a heads up though.

But regardless, big thumbs up Berz! Thanks!

 

[Pharaoh_]

Do they ever actually edit resources and implement them into the game? Otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, I'd be happy if someone used my icon or whatever in a suggestion; I don't really care if they recolor it without asking, since I'd just say yes anyways... if anything, I'd prefer not to be bothered. I'm sure nobody else thinks that way, but who knows.

I second that, no matter if we sound party poopers

 

[-Kobas-]

Removed them if that was the wish of the author. The models, as you can see by the name of the Album, were posted by another user: I merely put them together in an album. I never edited them, and I haven't claimed to be the author either.

I apologize, I didn't know the author didn't agree with this.

Was PM from dude that used models from THW ^^

Do they ever actually edit resources and implement them into the game? Otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Honestly, I'd be happy if someone used my icon or whatever in a suggestion; I don't really care if they recolor it without asking, since I'd just say yes anyways... if anything, I'd prefer not to be bothered. I'm sure nobody else thinks that way, but who knows.

There is a little truth here as well

What do you except? Those are DotA players. 'Nuff said.

I am Dota player also and I know to play game, really, but just like you said, Those are DotA players... Starters, guys who are full of themselves, unfriendly and smarter than others (95% of DotA community ) ruin game!
I saw everything in these 3 and half years of playing this game, constantly becoming more and more disappointed...

 

[Direfury]

Until I hear about my resources being used without permission, it isn't really much of a big deal.

...However, if that becomes the case, there are two possible outcomes,
I get banned after hounding them relentlessly to credit me for my work.
I get credits for my work after hounding them relentlessly.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

First of all, great initiative there Berzerker.

On the other hand, like Void pointed out, do these resources get used for anything other than suggestions? I'm sure that after all the mess around IceFrog and his team not giving credit before, they are slightly more aware of how some people react by now and try their best to not use resources without giving credit where it is due.

Finally, though, uploading a resource to a place like THW pretty much relives you of all rights to receive credit. You can't expect everyone to give you credit, but rather be glad that some people do. One thing is using your resource and not giving credit, another is stealing it and claiming it's theirs though. So don't get me wrong, if these people are in fact taking credit for work that aren't theirs I wish we'd have the means to stop them. At least this is a start.

 

[Anachron]

Do they ever actually edit resources and implement them into the game?

AFAIK they edit like 50% of the images to fit the spell iconset of the hero.

 

[General Frank]

It is very strange that people do not care about others at all, but if they are in peril themselves they mobilize everything they have...

 

[Anachron]

It's humanism.

 

[General Frank]

It is called being egoistic and selfish. And we should not be like that.

 

[Anachron]

We shouldn't, but we are, that is what defines an human (imho).
I'd like to see fair and open/helping people, however, that is just not what most feel like, because they think in another way.