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The models section is very active these days.Remember that the moderators are busy with other stuff aswell.They can't review models the whole time
Ok,that is pretty extreme.Secondly there are models in the pending section from 2014 that hasn't even been reviewed yet.
I think, at some point, some dude proposed a sticky for this stuff.Oh crap, this again.
As people say, if you want something to be done, do it by yourself.
Help mods by posting your own review on pending stuff, seriously.
If the model violates obvious rules, for example, lots of unnecessary vertices or stupidly imported overwritten textures, that's rules which enforce people to fix up the model.But most people have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Blarting out an opinion might seem helpful, but it is not. Other, more experienced people, just give opinions because they see a way to enforce they views on others. Fuck that too.
Indeed.Oh what a glorious world that would be if everyone would participate in that, but most are not.
Sorry, but that is no excuse. Firstly, if they don't got time, they should not be moderators in the first place. Secondly there are models in the pending section from 2014 that hasn't even been reviewed yet. There is no excuse for that.
We are working it out. Misha's computer is broken, Kwaliti is super busy and I have managed to totally confuse MiniMage. We are doing what we can to work this out. If anybody lives near Misha and has a computer they don't need, you could help by giving it to him.
Yes, it is in people's nature to always complain about something.People should be more graceful AND thankful for the work moderator put in and should be less being dicks about their own agenda.
I agree with that too. Especially those kids today. Just complain and wine about something, without thinking first.But most people have no fucking idea what they are talking about.
Map section is handled very well as far I know.The map section is well handled by new breed of heroes that's what makes the difference.
I can't really talk for other sections, but in spell section I enjoy it, if others also give feedback/reviews.
That depends of who is moderator and who reviewer.
being moderator does not automatically mean that he knows everything. There are plenty of users around which knows equally or even better as moderators, but for some reasons they wont be in staff, or aren't called there yet.
There's just no way Ralle will appoint dick user which is hated everywhere to be moderator, it's like bringing this site down slowly.
Yeah exactly. Map section was always specific about that.The difference with maps and custom resources is that the map section requires a much more broad understanding of the matter whereas the resource section need a more focused insight on said resources.
Where did I said that they need new staff and they should demote staff?They don't need new staff all the time. Demoting a staff and appointing new one just because the new one's better is insolent as well.
I was replying to GhostWolf who said that map moderators do not know some basic things, yet again to be expected that from reviewers. But nobody said that they need to know everything.And who said that you need to know everything to be a moderator?
You completely misread what i said. I just made statement that there are users whose created better models than certain moderators and know much more than moderators. GhostWolf said ,,And you expect a group of "reviewers" to know any better?", so I was replying that itdepends of who is reviewer. if reviewer is just regular person, logically that GhostWolf's statement is correct, he wont know how to review model properly, but if review is someone experienced whose created tons of quality assets, he will know even better than moderator (which GhostWolf had in mind).At least they need to have major expertise on the specified field, and they need to get along with normal users as well. There's just no way Ralle will appoint dick user which is hated everywhere to be moderator, it's like bringing this site down slowly. Expertise isn't everything to be a moderator.
imo
I was replying to GhostWolf who said that map moderators do not know some basic things, yet again to be expected that from reviewers. But nobody said that they need to know everything.
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Perhaps just ignore that line. I misread your post.And who said that you need to know everything to be a moderator?
There are plenty of users around which knows equally or even better as moderators, but for some reasons they wont be in staff, or aren't called there yet.
What I meant with "They don't need new staff all the time." was maybe the space (for new staff) is full (unavailable) => maybe they need to demote one before promoting the new one, which is insolent. Again, this is related to why those people aren't in the staff rank yet: the space is full, it's impossible to demote previous staff with new one etc ... .Where did I said that they need new staff and they should demote staff?
Agreed. But again, I wasn't concerned about that part.. GhostWolf said ,,And you expect a group of "reviewers" to know any better?", so I was replying that itdepends of who is reviewer. if reviewer is just regular person, logically that GhostWolf's statement is correct, he wont know how to review model properly, but if review is someone experienced whose created tons of quality assets, he will know even better than moderator (which GhostWolf had in mind).
I was just decent as user, and while I was map moderator, we had tons of users which were far better than me. So they could be awesome reviewers if we had that system back then. But you are right that being awesome at job does not automatically mean that you should be moderator, you also need to be good with people, but that is different topic.
Yeah nobody, not me as well. I was just examplifying why expertise isn't everything to be a moderator.Nobody said about promoting moderators, we talked possibility about reviews, nobody said about ,,dick hated users" to be promoted. We had such in past, but also, different topic.
That pretty much sums it up.Let's see... Pending models... Rage... Low quality models... Topology and unwrapping... Evil moderators... Oh yeah, MasterHaosis.
Don't be. Stop uploading attachments en-masse. That's the issue.I am concerned about the model sections pending models.
False.Hmm.. Model section is so active. But still, maybe they need more moderators.
Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. I wake up at 05:00 and get home at 19:30 and people still feel they are entitled to bitch and moan. I'm not sure why you are attempting to make demands when you don't even make models. People are uploading attachments en masse. The entire pending list is the result of less than ten people mass uploading attachments because they assume that it's a cheap workaround, as a completely unmoving model couldn't possibly have any clipping errors, awkward movement or anything else that might send the model to needs fix. But they forget that by mass producing generic swords, they are being unoriginal as fuck.Sorry, but that is no excuse.
Indeed.
upd: I will try it.
regarding MiniMage, this guy is awesome for now. he approved all of my models in short time. I haven't seen him to reject too much and to be harsh to people, so people should be grateful.
Denied...like what Map Section has, a team of reviewers to handle the pending models.
...being moderator does not automatically mean that he knows everything. There are plenty of users around which knows equally or even better as moderators, but for some reasons they wont be in staff, or aren't called there yet.
Except no one knows anything. Do you know who does? the people that no longer mod Warcraft 3.
Let me give you an analogy. The higher quality models are gold. The crappier models are coal. If we wait a couple million years, the coal will be diamond. Thus by comparison, four months is not a long waiting time. Apply more effort and be rewarded in turn, that is all there is to it.The high quality models are usually approved much quicker. I know this may be "unacceptable" to some of you, but that's the way it is and I am working to fix it.
Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. I wake up at 05:00 and get home at 19:30 and people still feel they are entitled to bitch and moan. I'm not sure why you are attempting to make demands when you don't even make models.
Tried that, People got worried, Ralle got scared and here we are.Or instantly reject them, I don't give a fuck. It's still better than nothing.
There can never be a "behind schedule". There is no schedule.If you wouldn't take it so personal that would be great, I am speaking (or maybe writing) while keeping in mind that there are 5 model mods that are 4 months behind schedule.
I was putting it nicely. Now kindly fuck off.I don't think I am being very demanding.
You are supposed to be above insults and give back with a firm professional tone, not this crap you've posted so far. Also, now you are disrespecting me, that's nice. I appreciate it.
You are obviously right General Frank. But I need to find the line between what a modder might find useful and what is crap. A modder may want to use a footman without a sword because it can be useful in many situations. Do you consider a quality model? Definitely not, but it's still useful for many things.
I think this thread is getting out of hand..
True enough,but thats because i'm not in the mood to argue and get insultedWell, you have not contributed anything constructive to this conversation except things like that. You are like the canned laughs of a sitcom, although not funny and totally out of context.
True enough,but thats because i'm not in the mood to argue and get insulted
Sure is.
But why clog the section with cheap crap. Most modellers also upload to the forum for people to download.
Yeah.. I never liked that. I want people to use the model section because of the model viewer, the auto import tutorial and all the metadata. Models belong in the model section. I know it doesn't work completely like that, but I want it to. That's why for Hive 2 a resource section is like a forum, there can be multiple. We can have one for what some may consider crap and other consider highly useful model edits for different purposes.