The Idealists Challenge #2 "Mythical Creatures"

[GreeN!X]

Really>? Pastebins are pretty permanent for me. I mean, I still have the pastebins of stuff I got from dec 2012. But okay. I guess that's still a fair point.

There's a mini-contest forum? D:

EDIT: Oh and since I got time atm, I'm gonna do some short reviews of the current entries.

 

[Moy]

Is there any mini-contests forum? Or it is just the arena, whatever.

 

[GreeN!X]

Is there any mini-contests forum? Or it is just the arena, whatever.

Haha. Well, I think keeping it in the idea factory would suffice, unless the mods allow it to be in the arena.

BTW, here's my reviews

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Raza'rr the Blade Tempest​

I love the presentation on this one. I can't give a good review but the skill icons seem to match up pretty well. Although the switch thing is kinda getting boring, I mean I have seen more than 5 of the from the last contest. xD

Jhesh'Nu the Watcher of the Underworld​

I suppose this is a creature based on Cerby? Well, okay but I'm not sure why it's using a hydra model though. I guess that'll be explained in its lore.

The skills, all on their own are pretty good. But together, I don't see much synergy in them. Fling seems to have way too little cast range. By the looks of the hero, it doesn't seem to be a skill user (spammer) so 3rd skill's mana regen is a bit useless and would only provide overflowing mana. It is especially OP too because the hero is healed whenever a unit dies nearby him, so he doesn't need to do anything to be healed. Heck he doesn't need o buy any type of healing items at all to survive in laning. The ulti is OP too. Since I assume by "True damage" you mean damage that can't be reduced by armor nor magic resist, 650 is almost half of a hero's health.

Anyway, since this is still a very early wip of this entry, you can still improve it in many ways.

Malendis, Creature of Darkness​

The lore fits the theme and the overall dota lore so it's fine.

The skillset could yield some good combos especially with some items in dota. Wraith form seems to stand out a bit and is imba with his sure escaping capability. Although it is pretty mana consuming. Baldes of torment's slow seems to be reducing as its levels grow. Fix that.

Furnace, the Missing One​

Let's start with its range. You do realize that in Warcraft 3, 128 or less range is already considered melee right? With your hero, there are melee units who have longer range than your "Ranged" hero. And I've also considered your second skill but it's still too short ranged.

The lore is.... short? Two sentences of a generic story isn't really something good. :/

Skills are pretty good though. You could probably increase that magic resistance of the shield. Doom sight is a bit confusing though, Yes it gives bonus range, but what explosion? How do you trigger that explosion? I don't see any skill that allows him to create and explosion. Is this a part passive/active skill? If yes, you should mention that.

Furnace heat is a bit too OP too. Let's see.

Let's assume this hero with 60 base damage, with 6 active items (max in dota) and with his 2/3 active spells. IF he casts all 6 items plus his first two spells within 14 seconds (Which is definitely possible in DOTA), he would already have 60 (base dmg) + 120 (6 items) + 40 (first two skills) = 60 + 160 damage. And if he casts his ulti, he gets additional percent damage.

That's like having a divine rapier dood. D:

But I'm sure you'll be able to balance that soon. You still have a lot of time. ^^

Diana, Master Huntress​

Lore doesn't seem to fit. A little tweaking here and there might fix that sice you've already mentioned the goddess Artemis.

First skill seems to be cool. I'll just wait for the rest of your skills to fully review your entry.

Zeineia, The Mistress of Hell​

Ooh, Lilith huh, Jewish Mythology? Nice.

Even though the lore wasn't particularly interesting, I'll have to wait for the rest of your hero entry.

Garuda, the Mythical Bird​ Garuda phoenix.. LEL Hidden

Seriously though, You do realize we're basing our stats on the map dota right? So "Flying heroes, only take damage from ranged heroes and could pass the trees" you already lose in terms of balance on this line. Unless you make a skill for that, which would need a lot of thinking.

You guys have to understand that it really feels weird reviewing my own entry. But for anonymity, I did it anyways.

BTW, pls don't be insulted by how I review you entry. It's just the way I do it.

 

[sentrywiz]

Haha. Well, I think keeping it in the idea factory would suffice, unless the mods allow it to be in the arena.

BTW, here's my reviews

You guys have to understand that it really feels weird reviewing my own entry. But for anonymity, I did it anyways.

BTW, pls don't be insulted by how I review you entry. It's just the way I do it.

Did I got drunk and made you a judge?

EDIT:

Someone finished their work. Grats to "whoever that is" and our judges will have something to review now

 

[Vinz]

No, he just gave feedback. Perhaps.

 

[Moy]

Malendis is finished -_-

 

[Sclammerz]

What a fast one.

 

[Chaosy]

Completed my review on that entry. Even though I might be forced to change it due the 'new' odd rules that was added the other day.

 

[Moy]

I miss the old voting (the very 1st idealist challenge)

 

[sentrywiz]

Completed my review on that entry. Even though I might be forced to change it due the 'new' odd rules that was added the other day.

I guess that's fair.

However, if I didn't add these you might have looked at some amazing graphics and ignored the rest, thinking that hey if this user made all this, there can't be anything wrong with the hero right?

In other words, pretty doesn't equal good. It equals pretty. By focusing 80% of your points on if the user did each separate point well and 20% on how detailed and "pretty" they made it look I think it counts to being more fair.

Idk though, speak your mind. Maybe I'm wrong.

May I suggest for the Scoring?

There would be 3 scoring phases that will determine the winner.
PARTICIPANT VOTING
Each participant must give their top 5 favorites in order. 25% of this will determine the winner.
Hero A - 5 points
Hero B - 4 points
Hero C - 3 points
Hero D - 2 points
Hero E - 1 point

PUBLIC VOTING
When the submission phase is done, a public will be open. 25% of the poll will determine the winner. A vote from a participant on the public poll will be uncounted but he/she can vote to support his or other's entry.

JUDGE
Of course the entries will be judged. 50% of this will determine the winner.

Just a suggestion, but I think it will make the contest complex.

I think not. Because participant voting is the same as public voting.

And by saying judges only account to 50% of the scoring, you made the public's opinion half as good as the judges who must:

- Follow a scoring code
- Maintain anonymous opinion
- Not participate in the contest

In other words, participants don't follow any of those. By giving them a bigger cut of the scoring point, judges will be rendered "meh".

Unless the public votes for your suggestion, I have to say no.
I'm even for reducing the score of the public to 20%.

But speak your minds. If you want this, get enough to say yes and sure,
I'll change it. As it stands right now I have enough "imaginary power" to decline.

 

[Moy]

Okay, it was just a suggestion then. I edited my post and woah I thought you were offline, I just changed my mind. Never thought you've already replied. lel

 

[Chaosy]

I guess that's fair.

However, if I didn't add these you might have looked at some amazing graphics and ignored the rest, thinking that hey if this user made all this, there can't be anything wrong with the hero right?

In other words, pretty doesn't equal good. It equals pretty. By focusing 80% of your points on if the user did each separate point well and 20% on how detailed and "pretty" they made it look I think it counts to being more fair.

Idk though, speak your mind. Maybe I'm wrong.

In my review I only judge the content. There is no point to give bonus points for nice layout since we got a section called presentation that gives points for that.

That's why I think it's odd to add 20% extra in each section based on layout / UI.

 

[sentrywiz]

In my review I only judge the content. There is no point to give bonus points for nice layout since we got a section called presentation that gives points for that.

That's why I think it's odd to add 20% extra in each section based on layout / UI.

Hm. You're right

I didn't trust that you understood what you were doing.
I also guess I took you for fools that would look at how "pretty" someone made it and skip all the content for that.

Sorry. I'll remove most of the ruleset.
You'll have to change your score again, this time without the 80/20 rule.

 

[Vinz]

Awesome entry, it will be hard to compete with it.

 

[Sclammerz]

Yes, it is hard. I should go..

 

[GreeN!X]

C'mon guys, I was just giving some feedback because I couldn't really get some sleep yesterday. =3=
We are allowed to give feedback right?

BTW, I take what I said about jhesh'nu.

I suppose this is a creature based on Cerby? Well, okay but I'm not sure why it's using a hydra model though. I guess that'll be explained in its lore.

I just realized it's not based on Cerby but on the Lernaean Hydra. All makes sense now, with the poison and the blood theme.

 

[Moy]

I don't like the Model Choice of Garuda and Jhesh'Nu.
Raza'rr, nice presentation!
Malendis, too fast.
Can't wait for Zeineia's abilities.
Diana, make it a mythical creature please.
Furnace, no updates?
The one who did not posted his entry yet.. You know who you are and I know you too, you're making us nervous for your entry.

 

[Sclammerz]

The one who did not posted his entry yet.. You know who you are and I know you too, you're making us nervous for your entry.

This. HAHA!

 

[Vinz]

Yes, it is hard. I should go..

Go where? :b

 

[jopi]

ok, everyone is complaining about Diana not being a mythical creature. Please get your facts right... (just search for Diana in wikipedia or google, maybe add mythology or you might end up at Lady Diana...)

 

[sentrywiz]

ok, everyone is complaining about Diana not being a mythical creature. Please get your facts right... (just search for Diana in wikipedia or google, maybe add mythology or you might end up at Lady Diana...)

According to wikipedia:

In Roman mythology, Diana (lt. "heavenly" or "divine") was the goddess of the hunt, the moon and birthing, being associated with wild animals and woodland, and having the power to talk to and control animals. She was equated with the Greek goddess Artemis,[1] though she had an independent origin in Italy. Diana was worshipped in ancient Roman religion and is revered in Roman Neopaganism and Stregheria. Dianic Wicca, a largely feminist form of the practice, is named for her. Diana was known to be the virgin goddess of childbirth and women. She was one of the three maiden goddesses, Diana, Minerva and Vesta, who swore never to marry.

So yeah, like I said before it can be easily tied to mythology if she is considered a goddess or something.

I don't like the Model Choice of Garuda and Jhesh'Nu.
Raza'rr, nice presentation!
Malendis, too fast.
Can't wait for Zeineia's abilities.
Diana, make it a mythical creature please.
Furnace, no updates?
The one who did not posted his entry yet.. You know who you are and I know you too, you're making us nervous for your entry.

As far as I know, there are not lot of choices for the Hydra and I guess Garuda is a phoenix? Either way, I think the models are decent.

Such drama over one mysterious entry. I wonder who it might be?

 

[Sclammerz]

Go where? :b

At the endless road. Meh, in the pastebin area to edit my entry! lol!

 

[Moy]

Off-topic: Advanced Merry Christmas, everybody! The rep is coming guys, we wait for Templassassin he deleted his entry -_-

 

[sentrywiz]

At the endless road. Meh, in the pastebin area to edit my entry! lol!

Good idea.

Off-topic: Advanced Merry Christmas, everybody!

I'm not religious but thanks.
Merry Christmas to you too.

And another one bites the dust. Two finished works.

 

[Moy]

Those lores.
OMG you really shocked me ***** (lol), nice presentation.

 

[Sclammerz]

*observed the new entry posted* Im sure about my guesses. Anyway 2 finished entry, I must hurry up too.

 

[Moy]

No need to rush, the deadline's far away.

 

[Dreadwing]

That lore...

I am Groot I am Groot

Is that just a sentence?

Edit : Maybe his lore is not finished, So the crator typed that instead "There is no lore yet".

 

[Sclammerz]

That lore...

Is that just a sentence?

Deal with it.

 

[sentrywiz]

Those lores.
OMG you really shocked me ***** (lol), nice presentation.

Somebody took their lore seriously.

That lore...
Quote:
I am Groot I am Groot
Is that just a sentence?

Edit : Maybe his lore is not finished, So the crator typed that instead "There is no lore yet".

Maybe that's how his mythical creature says "There is no lore yet".
Its like asking Pikachu what does it want, it still just says "Pika, Pika-chuu"

Deal with it.

Impostor. This is how its done:

 

[Sclammerz]

Maybe that's how his mythical creature says "There is no lore yet".
Its like asking Pikachu what does it want, it still just says "Pika, Pika-chuu"


Impostor. This is how its done:

Oh, sh*t. He just got real. Anyway a Pokemon trainer confirmed!

 

[Moy]

Pika*sneezes*

 

[Sclammerz]

Are you joking? lol. Peace!

 

[sentrywiz]

Oh, sh*t. He just got real. Anyway a Pokemon trainer confirmed!

I don't even like Pokemon. I think the whole series is a joke.
Especially Team Rocket. They are the comedy central of badness.
Like for example:

- Ash is the default dumb anime character that wants to be the best. Misty is the default morally insecure catholic girl with daddy issues. Brock is the pervert. Nothing out of the standard anime formula. Oh and every nurse and cop looks the same. Is it clone wars I'm watching?


- In many episodes Team Rocket don't have money to eat but they have money to come up with ridiculous scams that involve either big/heavy machinery only to get HIS pikachu?

- In a world of pokemons, they want this SPECIFIC pikachu? Why? Isn't it easier to get your own pikachu rather than spend the entire series them chasing after ONE pikachu? In a world where you can GET any pokemon you want, and everyone has a pikachu, they want his pikachu. That sounds like in a world of infinite money, somebody wants to steal YOUR money. WHY?

- I found their theme song kind of interesting the first ... 3 times. After that... please just get it over with.

I can see this becoming a pokemon hate thread so let's just stop right there. I like the concept of pokemon, but the execution is ... no words.

Pika*sneezes*

I admit, pikachu is kind of cute. Kind of.

 

[Moy]

Are you joking? lol. Peace!

No, I was just bumping.

 

[Vinz]

Question. I can name my hero directly after its idea source in mythology right?

 

[GreeN!X]

Aye, That's right.

 

[sentrywiz]

Question. I can name my hero directly after its idea source in mythology right?

Like the last finished work has proven, you can tie both the mythology and your imaginary mythology together. They don't have to be "exactly" compatible, even though the lore has to make sense otherwise it will be some sort of broken puzzle story.

 

[Vinz]

Another question, can I use the preview of:

WoW models
Other games' models
Just picture, no model

 

[Fang]

I will participate!

 

[sentrywiz]

Another question, can I use the preview of:

WoW models
Other games' models
Just picture, no model

Just as long you credit or reference where you got the models from.
Because this contest doesn't require execution aka making the hero in a map, then I think its okay if you really must take models and images from other games.

I will participate!

Welcome to the contest.

 

[Sclammerz]

Another entry with a same template like the other two. Anyway, so glad a new one came arrived.

 

[Moy]

Nice seeing my icon on Mandalgor

Thank you.

Where did they get that template?

Wait, all of the abilities has only one level?

 

[Sclammerz]

In a black market. Selling black goods and template. Let try asking them. Haha.

 

[Fang]

Wait, all of the abilities has only one level?

Yeah you right

 

[Sclammerz]

OMG. You've just revealed yourself to the other contestants, you shouldn't reply back to a question in your entry. The authors must be anonymous. :O *shocked* Also you have doubled post.delete the second one as soon as possible.

 

[Vinz]

lol this^

 

[Sclammerz]

Haha. I did just overreacted? *Grins*

 

[sentrywiz]

They tricked you Fang. Doesn't matter though they kind of know which is which anyway.

 

[Sclammerz]

Nightmare tricked him. Joke. Well, I know it already though. Haha.