Techtree Contest #4 - Improved Melee Race

[Wazzz]

Funnily enough, I am being constructive. About as constructive as I'm willing to be in a contest, too. I could just let you go your own way and find out after submition that it's not that great, if you want.

 

[Oziris]

InfinateAnswers, how does a marine have similar concept to a rifleman I just don't get that, they don't appear in any WC3 lore. Then I don't see what was wrong with mine units, they are skeletons, they appear in the WC3 and WoW lore. >.>

 

[InfinateAnswers]

you say people will spam stornger units, people already do that with the current melee system. Either they create alot of lower tier units and rush, or they wait and create alot of strong units asap and easily win. It just opens up stratagie. Okay ill go from rifle man to motar team? Happy?

 

[Wazzz]

I don't really care, it's your submition. And no, people don't spam stronger units. Not if they're good players and they're playing a game that is actually balanced. Don't know why you would think people do that with the current melee system, it's all in getting counters.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

ive almost never played a game where someone didnt spam bears, dryads, frosties, necro, wyvern, knights, chimerita, well pretty much any tier 2-3 unit...

 

[Wazzz]

Even if that's the case, why would you want to replicate a broken system?
Besides which, fully teched Archers are very viable in the late game, I know for a fact that spamming Riflemen with a few Sorceresses and Priests is a very powerful combination, Crypt Fiends in the late game are great...
The basic idea of a strategy is to be able to get use out of every unit. Take Chess, for example. You might think the Pawn is a very useless piece, but that is far from the truth. You use this whole line of Pawns to create positions that benefit you, you use them to trap more powerful units, and you can even make them into Queens once they reach the other side of the board.

 

[Deolrin]

'Spamming strong units' as in getting a bajillion Knights and Gryphon Riders and a level 10 Mountain King and then just attack-moving towards the enemy.
What Wazzz asks, I believe, is if lower-tier units are completely useless compared to your higher-tier units. It doesn't open up strategy; Any sensible person will upgrade their 500 HP, 10 damage rifleman to a 1000 HP, 25 damage Machine Gunner. The question is, then, are Riflemen completely useless compared to MarinesMachine Gunners? If that is so, then it's pretty boring.

Pharaoh_, I agree with you about how races should be keen to their lore, I agree with you about how a Human race shouldn't have Undead units or Orcs, I agree with you about how heroes shouldn't be named "John Smith" or "MC Hammer", but I completely disagree with you about the amount of limitations to creativity you're giving us. I think we should be allowed and ENCOURAGED to be creative, and if someone wants to make a race from an alternate lore, then he should be allowed. If someone wants to use Spiders in his Satyr race, he should be allowed. If someone wants to make a troll-only Horde(say, under the leadership of a troll warchief), he should be allowed. Otherwise people's creativity is being limited, and that's definitely not good. :/

 

[The World Is Flat]

After all, those limitiations could be accurate, the saytrs could have trained war spiders, obviously there is a limit. but i see nothing wrong with an all troll branch of the horde, easily plausible. i also see little wrong with a branch of the undead devoted to bringing back a skeletal army, easily plausible lore and gameplay wise.

creative restrictions such as these make an already boring theme nightmarish, these are contests of creation, not reitteration.

 

[JokeMaster]

If someone wants to make a troll-only Horde(say, under the leadership of a troll warchief), he should be allowed.

Do I sence a troll Tech tree in the air ?

 

[Wazzz]

Debode, are you... *snigger*... TROLLing?

Anyway, jokes aside, I fully agree with you. Sure, I'm all up for limitations to inspire creativity, but these limitations are beginning to do anything but.

 

[Deolrin]

No. I'm remaking the Naga.

 

[-Kobas-]

I started working on re creating humans, looks fun
Poor thing is that there are not 2 many models for my idea to use, I guess I will need triggers and shitz

Anyway is anyone except Debode and me working on this?

 

[DevilDuke1995]

A human army can't host a half-undead unit for example.

So u say i cant add a death knight who after breaking out of the Lich King's spell, instead of joining the Forsaken in slaying both the living and Scourge, he returned to fight for his people's survival alongside them?

 

[Chizume]

Lack of Human models is indeed something I have notices as well. At least the lacking of good looking buildings.

Altered Race: Human

Intro
I try to implement new systems into the race, as well as stick to as much authentic wc3 melee feel as possible.

Human
My Human race will be much dependent on disables (eg silences, armor reduction, stuns), zone control, formation and teamwork. The Humans are many but weak, only by combining good supportive healers and buffers together with vanguard units the Humans stand a chance. As Humans have lower health and damage output than most other Races their goal is to use their teamwork survivability to endure.

Difficulty: Medium
Strengths: Disables, zone control, numerous, teamwork, survivability, healing, magically resistant, strong late game, good income.
Weaknesses: Weak single units, weak early game, expensive upgrades, dependent on abilities (silence is their nightmare), zone control and formation,.

WIP

 

[Skycraft]

Alright so here are the Heroes I'm going to be using (I changed it up a bit since my last post) as well as the Unit tier levels, I haven't done anything apart from that.
I considered that Fel Orcs would be tied with the Burning Legion so thus allowing them to have demons in their ranks to compensate for Trolls, Taurens and Wyverns.

EDIT: Shit I forgot to post the credits!
Fel Orc Crossbowman - General Frank
ICON - Mr. Goblin
Prime Matron - dickxunder

 

[Wazzz]

Lack of human models is a problem, but I don't mind, I'm using mainly ingame ones anyway for my idea
Although I do wonder if I should combine my race with another subrace... then again, too hard to stay within the lore
lol, I think I can come up with a solution that will fit the race, although I don't know if I really want to

Okay, pitch me some ideas plox, I'm doing Dark Humans, using ingame Bandit models to dictate this idea, so, what race should I include with them if any?
So far I've thought of Dwarves, but don't really know for sure about that (not really many Dwarf models fitting the theme, you know...).
Then I thought Blood Elves, but they don't really look good with them, either.
I'm thinking Harpies could be added, as this race is very Nomadic (might change their theme to Nomadic Humans lol), just so they have a flyer unit as well
Also thinking of Razormanes and Quillboars, but that might be a little too crazy.

Basically, atm, they lack a flying unit, and that is all. So, what should I add?

 

[Deolrin]

Harpies are ABSOLUTELY unfitting. They're corrupted Night Elves from the Barrens. Dwarves would definitely fit. Bandit dwarves are probably not unheard of. Like a rogue rifleman or something like that. As for a flying unit, something mechanical would probably be best.

 

[JokeMaster]

Maybe make the Alterac Syndicate?

 

[Skycraft]

You could try kobolds, they always seem to be where-ever bandits are.

 

[-Kobas-]

Alright so here are the Heroes I'm going to be using (I changed it up a bit since my last post) as well as the Unit tier levels, I haven't done anything apart from that.
I considered that Fel Orcs would be tied with the Burning Legion so thus allowing them to have demons in their ranks to compensate for Trolls, Taurens and Wyverns.

EDIT: Shit I forgot to post the credits!
Fel Orc Crossbowman - General Frank
ICON - Mr. Goblin
Prime Matron - dickxunder

Look cool so far
I want to see spells and buildings as well

 

[Pharaoh_]

Yes, I already backed out for that, Debode, like I said, I want to encourage creativity.

Anyway, you are still allowed to change the tier pattern people, you can also make no ranged unit at all in the first tier, you don't have to make only 1 worker type, you are allowed anything that affects gameplay.

 

[Wraithling]

And is it compulsory to make 4 heroes? The four main races have 4 heroes each, while the naga only had 1. Are contestants free to pick their own middle ground?

Let's say I'd rather make only 2 heroes for my alternate orc race. Any points deduction in that?

 

[Pharaoh_]

Yes yes, the number of units is up to you, but, choose wisely.
No points taken, at all.

 

[67chrome]

All right, I've decided upon doing Naga, Illidari style.

The Illidari are a culmination of all of Illidan's followers, which is mostly covered in WC3 lore to begin with. It includes naga, blood elves, broken draenei, and chaos orcs. I decided to leave out the draenei as the race looks cluttered enough with three major races.

The Naga Hero with the hermit-crab shells was modeled by Misha (I did the skin for it though) and the skin on the demon hunter was done by Darkholme. All the other custom resources were skins done by me.

I'm planning on having a berserker/ranger/paladin/oger magi/whatever upgrade for the chaos orc, archers, and myrmidons.

the four units in the front are summoned through hero abilities. The snap-dragon is going to be the basic ranged unit with a cheap cost, it should end up being something like a ranged zergling. the archers are the siege units, they have roughly the same stats as the mortar team. I'm thinking of adding an ability that increases their damage based on the distance to their target, so even though they won't have minimum range the damage will mostly suck at close range. The orc-warlock is going to be something like the dryad were it has abilities but isn't an official caster. The blood-elf assassin is going to have stealth but it will lift for a long enough period of time whenever it attacks that no stealth detection will be needed to kill it. The wyvern re-skin is going to be more like a flying kodo beast with unstackable auras, so even with a large unit the race should play more like zerg.

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

Hey this is my WiP for my Submission.

Altered race: Orcs

I am making the remenants of the Stormreaver Clan, and what the force would likely look like if they did get back together and make a force!

Credits to: -Tauer for Gul'dan Deathnight model

 

[Oziris]

I really like your entry 67chrome, keep it up.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Hey this is my WiP for my Submission.

Altered race: Orcs

I am making the remenants of the Stormreaver Clan, and what the force would likely look like if they did get back together and make a force!

Credits to: -Tauer for Gul'dan Deathnight model

What is a "Broken Shaman"? From what i know the Broken are a tentacly race that live in Outland. http://www.wowwiki.com/Broken

 

[Deolrin]

I'm also remaking the naga. I haven't made all the units yet, but so far, I'm thinking of branching the techtree into Mur'gul and Naga, wherein Mur'gul will cost a lot of gold(gold gathering is fast for the Naga, while lumber gathering is slow) and very little lumber, will cost little supply, have little health and armor but have fast speed and high damage. The naga on the other hand will be the complete opposite. I think the final Tier 3 unit will be decided by the player, based on what they want - a powerful, tough naga, or a fast and sneaky Mur'gul.
In addition, the Naga will earn resources through Mur'gul Gatherers, cheap units with a weak attack that harvest resources and can be upgraded in the Mur'gul Camp(the Mur'gul barracks) into Mur'gul Darters, the basic ranged unit of the race, a small Mur'gul that throws poisoned darts at the enemy.

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

What is a "Broken Shaman"? From what i know the Broken are a tentacly race that live in Outland. http://www.wowwiki.com/Broken

Well, when i say broken I am basically refering to a normal Orcish Shaman who wants to learn the way of the Warlock. It is basically only there so I could have a half loreish Healer.

 

[DevilDuke1995]

Well, when i say broken I am basically refering to a normal Orcish Shaman who wants to learn the way of the Warlock. It is basically only there so I could have a half loreish Healer.

Why would a shaman wanna be a warlock? Oo

Anyway its your race, do whatever ya want.

 

[Silly Lil Ant]

Why would a shaman wanna be a warlock? Oo

"Warlocks are former arcanists, or in the case of the orcs, former shamans, who, in pursuit of ever-greater sources of power, have cast off their studies of the arcane or nature magics to delve deeper into the darker, fel-based magic of shadow. " - WoWWiki

 

[-Kobas-]

Here you go, what I did so far, ofc abilities, upgrades, stats, tooltips everything is 90% finished!

As you can see improved units so far are:

Footman -> Zealot
Priest -> Diviner
Knight -> Templar
Paladin -> Templar Commandant

with spell breaker those will be only units that look like standard ones, dwarfs will be replaced and so on!

I have great idea and story what happened here!
This will be human race 1 or 2 thousand years after leaving Lordaeron and making their new home on Kalimdor!

Epic tooltips, special effects on their buildings and much much more are only few things of many that you should expect!

Real deal will be hero and units spells as well as systems that will be explained later!

Oh another thing, some units have green lightning around eyes, another mystery , think about it

 

[The_Swamp_Warrior]

i'm working on spellcasters now

 

[Deolrin]

Uhh, maybe because, I don't know, they're blood elves? :/

 

[Skycraft]

Look cool so far
I want to see spells and buildings as well

Oh thanks bro, I'll be doing that next after I fixed up all the units.
;D

 

[Laserdude]

My work on my race has finally begun!
I am doing dwarves, the humans trusted ally.
Currently working on gameplay, might post a WIP tomorrow.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Ya i'll judge this.

 

[Reaper51]

ill start soon, and i will be remaking THE ORCS!!!

 

[The World Is Flat]

Sounds like you reaps. I'm on skype if you need somone to bounce ideas off of.

 

[Wazzz]

Okay, something mechanical sounds good, and this model seems to fit the bill: BAM

So yea, I'm thinking of making it that this is possibly just a flying version of the Brigand, so it uses the same Poison-Tipped Spears ability (which may seem a little overbearing for use of that ability, so I might not use it on this unit, I'm not sure). Also, I think I have a cool idea of how I'm going to include it =)

My final race will be like a campaign race with primarily weak units that have strength in numbers, so yeeeeeea. Thinking of only having one hero, too, it's just a simple race :3

 

[-Kobas-]

Uhh, maybe because, I don't know, they're blood elves? :/

Yes but blood elves was high elves, and high elves was night elves, highborns right

Will explain everything, don't worry!

 

[InfinateAnswers]

and night elves were elves, and elves were nymphs, and nymphs were fairies.

 

[Marcelo Hossomi]

This is what I have so far (along with some upgrades, already, but won't show it in sreenshots xD)

Screenshot

 

[Wazzz]

Man, Marcelo, I am definitely envious of how your race is coming out >
Love the econ system, although I do have to ask after trying it out, is it going to be balanced later on? I mean, atm, you have a Gold Mine mining for itself and costing 0 Food whereas to get full mining efficiency as any other race you will need to set 5 food aside for that. Additionally, you have the Magic Garden doing what Wisps do for 0 food as well.

 

[Eldubs]

Is this still open? Because i want to join.

 

[Skycraft]

Is this still open? Because i want to join.

It is open, didn't start too long ago sir.

 

[Eldubs]

Very cool! Anyways i am gonna start now.

 

[JokeMaster]

Oh i have some triggers wich would make no problems like you must build a great hall etc.

 

[Eldubs]

Oh i have some triggers wich would make no problems like you must build a great hall etc.

What do you mean? So for example if you pick random you have 20% to get the new race or what?

 

[Wazzz]

No, he means triggers to stop the game from saying 'You must construct a Great Hall or you will be revealed' sort of bullshit, which is AMAZINGLY annoying when it happens, so this is very useful, ty Jokemaster =)