Sunken City v2.5.1c

[randompicknewb]

Played a bit and its a really well made map but it could still need some things,mainly QoL changes for example:
1.Bosses that have an achievement should have a different colored name OR the achievement in F9 should include the boss name at the start so you dont have to read each and every achievement.
2.There are some bullshit traps like: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet why is that even there you can barely see it.Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet this doesnt look like a trap,yeah there are skulls and bones but to me that looks like a gate,if you really want to make it look like a trap there should be bones all over the middle,not on the edges(who even dares to clean it up anyway?).
Anyway that is prolly just me whining,and where exactly is the anvil needed for sulfuras I couldnt find it.
Map crashed after 5 hr.

 

[stan0033]

Hey, why don't you change the minimap preview ingame to be a screenshot of the terrain like in my Sanctum map for example! That's way more cool!

 

[RENEGADELOL]

Is there really no we can obtain the Artifact items? I've basically found their locations.. I think there's no way to get them :/


EDIT: IDK if anyone encountered this but... I played Death Knight recently and his 2nd skill does no damage... a bug perhaps?

Ye i have noticed that aswell the Death Knight's 2nd ability (Unholy Fury) deals no damage at all but still applies the armor reducing debuff to the enemies.

 

[Senneria]

Ye i have noticed that aswell the Death Knight's 2nd ability (Unholy Fury) deals no damage at all but still applies the armor reducing debuff to the enemies.

The bug with Unholy Fury is known and I believe it will be fixed in 2.2.9.

 

[Young_oldman]

Venom of the oceans 2 2 9

 

[Senneria]

Venom of the oceans 2 2 9

What do you mean with Venom of the Oceans 2 2 9? Is there a bug with the item? Is it too common of a drop, unobtainable, too powerful?

 

[Vunjo]

What do you mean with Venom of the Oceans 2 2 9? Is there a bug with the item? Is it too common of a drop, unobtainable, too powerful?

Probably the drop rate at the hydra camp is too high

 

[SpasMaster]

A hotfix has been released for 2.2.9 that fixes a major bug with the Rogue character. Make sure you redownload the map to get the update.

 

[Burndead]

Let me share a thought with you and I hope you won't get me wrong.

I really like this map. The puzzles and the overall mystery of the map are the real charm here.
Right now, the repeatability dropped a lot for me. It's basically the same right now -grind, grind, grind. I know all the puzzles and how to solve them.

So, I thought to myself - what is this thing that needs to be changed/adjusted in order to produce more repeatability.
The key is to have more random events happening. This may include more random creep spawns (like the Infernal and the Doom guard falling off the sky), more random puzzles happening on the map, more random boss spawns.
An example of the last one - "you hear a high pitched voice - the Witch has been awaken". This is a text showing on your screen and then you go search where the boss is on the map.

I guess, the random events are more complicated to code and you don't have enough map space and/or personal time to code it but just let me know what you really think on this matter.

Regards,
Burndead

 

[Young_oldman]

Probably the drop rate at the hydra camp is too high

Exactly. Hydra boss drops a few dozens of em for e.g.

 

[AtticusNA]

So.. I don't know if this is a bug or if its supposed to be like this, but the "Chilled" effect never wares off..
Help?

 

[SpasMaster]

@AtticusNA: I'll need a bit more information here. What were you fighting? Was it a specific mob? What hero are you using? When was the Chilled effect applied? Was it applied by you on a mob or by a mob on you?
@Burndead: Yes, the issue you bring up is valid and can be adressed, but it exists only for players that have played the map many, many times. I still believe that I have achieved a high level of replayability with the hundreds of items, customizeable heroes and so on. That being said, your suggestion is something that I will work heavily upon in the very near future. Thanks for the suggestions, they do help/

 

[AtticusNA]

@AtticusNA: I'll need a bit more information here. What were you fighting? Was it a specific mob? What hero are you using? When was the Chilled effect applied? Was it applied by you on a mob or by a mob on you?

Its the second time this happens, playing solo, the first time Tidewarrior and now Death Knight, Both times caused by skeleton archers.

 

[SpasMaster]

I just checked the Skeleton Archer's ability in World Editor and it is pretty high - 15 seconds. That's not lasting "forever" tho. Are you sure the chilled effect never disappears?

 

[AtticusNA]

I just checked the Skeleton Archer's ability in World Editor and it is pretty high - 15 seconds. That's not lasting "forever" tho. Are you sure the chilled effect never disappears?

I'm sure it lasted a few minutes without anything hitting me, managed to get it dispelled somehow though.

 

[Young_oldman]

I'm sure it lasted a few minutes without anything hitting me, managed to get it dispelled somehow though.

It could be frozen effect after fighting Ravius. Probably ice armor. Happened tome few times as Mage and Death.

 

[Burndead]

@Burndead: Yes, the issue you bring up is valid and can be adressed, but it exists only for players that have played the map many, many times. I still believe that I have achieved a high level of replayability with the hundreds of items, customizeable heroes and so on. That being said, your suggestion is something that I will work heavily upon in the very near future. Thanks for the suggestions, they do help/

I don't think you need to play the map over 100 times to get that feeling of boredom and same things happening over again. Personally, I've played it no more than 15 times. Still, that's only me. Dunno about the other players.
Also, I'm happy that you are considering this suggestion/s.
Just to clarify: you gonna work on the three ideas or just one of them?

Regards,
Burndead

 

[Degrees9871]

I don't understand, why can't you just add creep shop or free creeps with respawns. I dont wanna play this map with 3 people, i wanna play it alone, which is impossible using 1 hero only. What's the problem with that?

 

[SpasMaster]

But you can.
There are purchasable summons within the shop that can help you in the beginning of the game.
Additionally, one of the Grunts in the starting area can help you when playing in Single Player.

 

[Degrees9871]

My bad, didn't see the summoning stones. Thanks for the reply.

 

[UchihaBeast]

My friend gets this issue when he was playing priest
the Stats of Gladius just increased his Agi, although it has to increase Str and Int
Btw, can you guys check the dungeon of the ice skeleton, I'm getting the eternal Chilled lv 3 sometimes

 

[robizeratul]

The first comment(suggestion) I made on this map was in " robizeratul, Jul 27, 2012 " , I have however played this map before that.

After all these years many things changed and SM(and others) has shown that he understands map design. Every time I replay this map I see changes, big ones and subtle ones alike. I can honestly say that he is one of the most dedicated w3 map creators left. We have disagreed on some things, some suggestions of mine where ignored,others considered and a few implemented.

After 5 years or so of playing this map I am thankful. I had a lot of fun. There is 1 thing, I thing that I hate most about it. I just started replaying it and I found a Gem at the Satyr boss that got me thinking. I never found a secret.

Sure, maybe I'm stupid, Maybe I'm just not clever enough...anyway, I have hundreds of hours played and that is the single most frustrating thing about this game. From the first time I found those two chambers to today when I found the gem. I have no clue what to do and I kinda hate it...

Maybe I'm the only one and everyone else knows them...for sure I didn't find any mentions on this thread or the internet in general. It is however incredibly frustrating and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Just today I beat the Naga boss and saw that stupid " legend of dawn" book...I have seen it the first time, and I have seen it every time I pass trough that place and it's annoying.

I would play this map more if I knew the secrets, to me it's just too annoying so these days I don't play as often as I used to...Even now, i'm playing single player and i'm lvl 11, every time I see something that might be a secret I just get frustrated, I'm considering just moving on to something else and ending my game...

Maybe I sound entitled, but this is how I feel. This is the worst game design decision for the simple fact that I always like to plan my builds. I play mostly single player these days and I try to make fun builds with many heroes. The fact that I don't know everything about the game is a negative for me and it makes it less enjoyable...

Of course, I understand what the purpose of a "secret" is...and I know there's no chance of this being changed, however after so much frustration I needed to say this. It is the number 1 thing that makes it harder and harder to enjoy this map for me.

 

[SpasMaster]

Thank you for your dedication and continuous support throughout the years, Robizeratul.

I am not sure if I should give you directions for the secrets you mentioned or not, since it's the nature of these puzzles (moslty item-related) that bothers you. If you wish for me to explain in detail how to solve the Rubies and the Legend of Dawn I'd gladly explain.

If not, let me tell you this: I am currently working on a massive new version that will bring many new and more intuitive puzzles and will rework/change/replace some of the old ones. A new exploration feature is also on the way, so I guess I can only promise you that change is coming. Perhaps you would still find some things to be bothersome to you, but also understand that there are other people that like exactly these types. Since I cannot please everyone, the best I can do is to offer equal amount of features for all tastes.

I hope you will find the upcoming 2.3.0 more enjoyable.

 

[robizeratul]

thanks for your dedication also!

An yes, I know it's personal thing. This is frustrating BECAUSE I love this map. I feel like I'm missing out...Every playtrough is different, some things however I have never seen...there's where the frustration comes from.

Can't wait for the new version! that's what great about this map, no matter when you play it it has the same " soul " but it's a different flavor.

I think this map would benefit for a strategy guide, where everything is explained. From every quest, to every hero, to every skill and every secret etc.

I am offering my help in doing this, if you think it's a good idea. I think it might help many players and make the game more fun and tactical.

 

[Zalinthel]

I found a bug that's kind of a big deal. As the Death Knight, when you have the Soul Harvester, using the Orb of Deception (makes a temporary clone of you), after the clone disappears, the next thing you kill will reset your Soul Harvester stacks. I'd assume that this bug would probably happen with any other thing that makes a clone of you. Obviously one can get around the issue by not cloning yourself, but the issue still remains, and it can cause you to lose a lot of stacks, which really sucks.

 

[shekhar9bittu]

ok guys we ran into a bug, and this is not a small one, coz it happened again and again, when we went to fight aszune, the moon rider boss, (quest from the world tree guy).
there are a few enemies just before aszune, one of them uses a frost spell that slows down your move speed, that spell stuck to both of us even after the battle was over, and we were slowed for the rest of the time. My character was SHAMAN, and my friend was KROGAR ( an Orc strength hero, i dont remember the class). This slow didnt even get dispelled by the DOOM GUARD (coz i guess maybe he uses a Purge in between fights).

Only after death it got removed. We tried loading the game but still the spell wasn't go away. I dont guess that it is intentional that the slow sticks to you permanently right???

we tried to fight them again and again but everytime this happened.

thanks

 

[Senneria]

ok guys we ran into a bug, and this is not a small one, coz it happened again and again, when we went to fight aszune, the moon rider boss, (quest from the world tree guy).
there are a few enemies just before aszune, one of them uses a frost spell that slows down your move speed, that spell stuck to both of us even after the battle was over, and we were slowed for the rest of the time. My character was SHAMAN, and my friend was KROGAR ( an Orc strength hero, i dont remember the class). This slow didnt even get dispelled by the DOOM GUARD (coz i guess maybe he uses a Purge in between fights).

Only after death it got removed. We tried loading the game but still the spell wasn't go away. I dont guess that it is intentional that the slow sticks to you permanently right???

we tried to fight them again and again but everytime this happened.

thanks

Did you play on the latest build, version 2.2.9b? Because as far as we are aware it has been fixed.

 

[shekhar9bittu]

hello Senneria

yes yes man, we are playing this version only-2.2.9b

we downloaded and started playing it maybe just 4-5 days ago.

 

[SpasMaster]

Please re-download the map and let me know if the issue persists. Thanks.

 

[shekhar9bittu]

ok so we will download it again, but we may not be able to test the specific bug, because we have moved ahead in the game.
what we can do is load the oldest out of the three save files we made.....
its really strange if only we experienced this bug, coz the way it persisted i thought maybe more people would be seeing it.

will load the game and then report back if are able to test it

thanks

 

[Senneria]

There's been a few slow bugs lasting outrageously long, and some permanent, but to my knowledge they should be fixed. That or I need to start looking at replays again T_T

 

[shekhar9bittu]

There's been a few slow bugs lasting outrageously long, and some permanent, but to my knowledge they should be fixed. That or I need to start looking at replays again T_T

my friend has returned late from work... as soon as we sit down to play....we will re download the map and check the oldest save game.....will report asap after that

 

[shekhar9bittu]

Hello guys

we coud not test the 'slow affect bug' because all three save games are now ahead of 'aszune' quest.

Although we didint get to test it, i wonder how re downloading the map was going to help it. We have simply replaced the sunken city 2.2.9b map with the re downloaded one and will play further. If the bug happens again in the game we will report.

 

[SpasMaster]

Wait, do you expect to download a new map file and load your old save file?
New map = new game. Your old saves do not help and not concern the issue here.
After you have downloaded the latest update of the map, start a new game and see if the issue is still there.

 

[shekhar9bittu]

the version of the map in both cases is the same....the bug happened in v2.2.9b. so we downloaded the map again as u told and tried to load the savegame.

telling this just in case there is any confusion regarding the version of the map.

What we can do is, we will keep playin ahead now and if this bug happens again, we will tell it here in the forum

thanks

 

[SpasMaster]

It won't happen again further in your game. I found the bug and fixed it back after I released 2.2.9b. It's caused by Frost Nova casted by skeletal units. What happened is that I found and fixed the bug after 2.2.9b was released and I uploaded the fix without changing the version name.

I am asking you to test the 2.2.9b that was uploaded on 2nd October. Ignore version names, save games, whatever. Take the latest version from 2nd October if the issue is still there. Going further in the game won't help me.
It's a simple task - start a new game on the latest version and tell me if the issue is still there.

 

[shekhar9bittu]

hey man, just see



in this screenshot- we downloaded the map on 8 october 2016....i went to my downloads in google chrome and confirmed it for us...

heres the screenshot of it



this means that the map we downloaded was from after 2nd october update

 

[SpasMaster]

Ok, so does the bug still happen in that version? If yes, where does it first occur?

 

[shekhar9bittu]

hi

as discussed we are playing the latest version (we downloaded it on 8oct 2016)--

i must tell u that its very difficult for us to test it from the beginning now...but...
what happened is-

we took the quest from the world tree guy who asks to kill aszune, the enemies just before aszune who are behind those crates, they cast the 'FROST NOVA' on us....and that 'slow affect' just stuck to our characters for good.....we tried reloading, waiting for 'doom' to come and use his 'purge' (guess he uses that purge)...but nothing made the 'slow' go away...

hope this makes clear

thanks

 

[Burndead]

I hope you will find the upcoming 2.3.0 more enjoyable.

Can you give us a hint when the new version will hit the deck?

Thank you.

 

[SpasMaster]

I cannot possibly give you an exact date, but I am working hard on the new version which will include many major changes and features.
I'd say ~7-14 days, but no promises here.

I haven't been terraining in awhile, so here is a peek at what I am currently doing. Enjoy:

Hidden

 

[Burndead]

Tell me that this is a boss and it's located where Armory used to be.

 

[SpasMaster]

It is a boss, and it definitely isn't the only new boss (or new area) that is coming in 2.3.0.
The place where the Armory used to be will indeed be back, but not with this boss. I'll let you figure the locations for yourself when the version is out

 

[Burndead]

It is a boss, and it definitely isn't the only new boss (or new area) that is coming in 2.3.0.
The place where the Armory used to be will indeed be back, but not with this boss. I'll let you figure the locations for yourself when the version is out

Useful info is useful. Can't wait till the map is out!

Thanks.

 

[gospelkiru]

when i add lvl3 stats(hp regen +2 per sec) on Death Knight i got fatal error.

 

[Senneria]

when i add lvl3 stats(hp regen +2 per sec) on Death Knight i got fatal error.

The regeneration stat is bugged for heroes with pets that scale from ESC stat points. It's already been resolved in the test version of 2.3.0

 

[gospelkiru]

The regeneration stat is bugged for heroes with pets that scale from ESC stat points. It's already been resolved in the test version of 2.3.0

ohh... thanks...

 

[maduroman]

Gladius is giving me incorrent stats, it only gives 5 agi instead of the 12 int and str its supposed to give you, spell dmg reductions and Devo aura works tho, it also has another effect that isn't shown on the item, i was using it on my Witch doctor and he was critting for 4-5 times his dmg from time to time, absolutely no other thing that could be making it do that but Gladius

here's a picture of him critting

 

[Senneria]

Gladius is giving me incorrent stats, it only gives 5 agi instead of the 12 int and str its supposed to give you, spell dmg reductions and Devo aura works tho, it also has another effect that isn't shown on the item, i was using it on my Witch doctor and he was critting for 4-5 times his dmg from time to time, absolutely no other thing that could be making it do that but Gladius

here's a picture of him critting

It's being looked into, as we've had several reports of Gladius giving incorrect stats. The critting part is new though. Have you tried dropping Gladius and see if your crits stop on a dummy, just to confirm it is the item and not something else?

 

[maduroman]

It's being looked into, as we've had several reports of Gladius giving incorrect stats. The critting part is new though. Have you tried dropping Gladius and see if your crits stop on a dummy, just to confirm it is the item and not something else?

gladius its definetly the culprit, i took it off and auto attacked the dummy for several minutes and no crit showed and once i picked it up i started critting again

im critting mobs too as you can see in the pictures below, i was critting them right as i got gladius, i was wondering why i was getting the crit numbers above my WD too and then i tested on the dummy and found out it was gladius