Slashcraft 2.1.9

[kidsoulex]

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[Cozythrias]

wow cool, really fun, more characters and better terrain please


this is the first kind of fighting map I have ever played in WC3

5/5

 

[Vegeta(KsW)]

Yeah, nice version but just a bug when my opponent and me just click on "Continue Slashcraft" at the end, it make we leave from this game !

 

[hunalexnl]

Nah, as far as I know, that's not a bug. I've always seen it at the end of custom maps, and it always threw me out as well. If there's a way to change that, I'll try to do so. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[_lycan]

why is this not approved

 

[hunalexnl]

Beats me... Had a quarrel with a map mod, and I guess he didn't bother to test this version.

 

[Lich-King]

Itz giving Fatal Error for me :'( :'(

 

[hunalexnl]

That's weird, it works perfectly for me. Where does it throw you out?

 

[Kl3sk]

Kl3sk Reviews : Slashcraft
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Version : 2.1.1
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Map Type : Hybrid (Unique 2D Arena Style game-play)
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Description : 3/5
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While it contains a change-log and a nice YouTube video, I can't really accept "This map is multiplayer only.
Don't expect to have a nice time playing it against random people, though - most people don't read the descriptions, this leads to new players not being able to play at all." < -- this as an actual description. Fix this please. While you're at it, add more BB codes, they're all the rage these days.

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In-Game Review
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Terrain
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I think this is the first time I've ever come to a N/A rating for the terrain section, in two years since I'm on this site. As one can tell from the YouTube video , I'll have to split the "terrain" notion into "Background" and over-all "Ambient". The background features a factory of sorts that can bee seen pumping something in and out constantly, situated on the right side of the screen, while on the left we have a huge Ogre that seems to simply sit around a pillar on which another creep floats around. Though it's a little dark to tell, I'm almost sure that they've been put there to "cheer" for their favorite warrior. The ambient , or what surrounds our fighters , is what appears to be some sort of bridge from the perspective of the player ; the front portion of which is laced with four...fiery...pot holes ?

The camera angle is what gives us this 2D feel of it, making one flash-back to the same Arcade-style games we've all grown to love to play. Can't go wrong with that. Granted, I wish there was an option to switch sets. Three would be interesting enough to add diversity, just a suggestion. (N/A)

Models
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I've never seen W3 models this up close, so I can't tell if some have different skins or the lighting gives them a "gloomy" look, but I like them, even if some have skills that I can't associate with their genetic makeup. (i.e. : Murlock with lightning powers ?) (N/A)

Icons
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The 2D fighting platform requires no icons. (N/A)

Skills
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Other than a little balancing that needs to be done, the skills work fine, never bug or glitch and didn't cause "Critical Errors" that some were complaining about. However, they are a bit dull (your basic frost ability, ice bolt, lightning bolt <orb>, etc.) , but that alone won't lessen the experience. It would be nice to see a bit more detailed "fireworks", if you know what I mean. (4/5)

Misc
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What I didn't understand is why would both health bars be displayed one on top of the other ? Why not on each player's side of the screen ? Is it to compare health and figure out your next move ? That inconvenience aside, wouldn't it be nice if you added a custom track to further enhance the nostalgia ? I don't know, some 8-bit track would do (Megaman , Zelda, something)
Though the idea might sound silly, W3 tracks don't inspire me and the lack of sounds is also a downfall. Of course, if you're eager to keep the file-size to an all-time low, I understand. (4/5)

Game-Play
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First word that comes to mind : Unique. There's nothing out there that I have played , on the W3 engine that could compare to Slashcraft and that's a thumbs up from me for creativity. It might not be the best looking map / game, or the most complex and content-packed, but it will provide decent , sometimes even competitive experience playing with your best friend or even some random person on B-net.
Yet again, dear author, I was a bit confused as to how you managed to scale the difficulty levels of your characters. What was this based on ? From what I can tell, every single character uses the same keys to attack, defend and so forth. (Q-W-E-<->-Up-Down) . Does it have anything to do with "special attacks" or "combos" ? I can recall only W+E as a special attack out of all my moves. While I'm at it, I'd like to add that these special moves should have their cool-downs decreased or their damage increased , since I can simply spam the normal attack (Q) twice for the same amount of damage. After the balance changes are made, please look into smoothing the transition between moves. I won't lie to you, the controls seemed a bit "rusty" , as every action had a slight delay in response to the buttons I was pressing. This is most noticeable when you're up close, attack and try to flea or try to do any type of quick maneuvering around the target. That slight delay tends to get really annoying later on and I hope it's not due to a leak (though I can't understand how a leak would be involved).
So, to wrap it up : smooth controls and tweak cool-downs and this original W3 concept will get you, hunalexnl a well deserved pat on the back. (4/5)

Do I recommend Hybrid / Arena fans to play this ? : Yes (Every W3 user should play this map at least once)

Do I recommend non-Hybrind / Arena fans to play this : Yes (As above, don't knock it til you tried it)

Will I play this map again : Yes (This is as new and entertaining as Pong was for the Wacraft III engine and I'll be giving it a go every now and then)

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Final verdict : Approved (4/5)

* Note : this would normally be rejected based on lacking description.


Foot-note : I will place this map in a special folder of mine, along with Rolecoster Extreme , Pong , Typo Wars and other maps that I consider to be at the height of map-making creativity to date. I just hope I'll see updates before or after approval :3

Edit : Updates have been made. There are so many improvements both in Description and Game-play itself that I cannot possibly appreciate the effort if not for the wonderful + Rep button. Well done! I hope this will be the first of many!

 

[hunalexnl]

Thank you very much for the review, I really appreciate it, and I'm glad you liked it (well I guess you did, wouldn't have given me a 4/5 if you hadn't).
Descriptions and terrain are thing I really suck at, and that's easy to see, I'll try to do something about the map description, though.
The terrain tried to be some sort of prison, with a watch tower and that bad ass monster as a sort of guard watching the fight together with the sentinel. I can't explain the clock tower, though. At least the bridge that I planned on making actually DID translate as a bridge, so that's a huge success for me. lol
Like you said, I'm trying to keep the size of the file as low as possible, I think the only custom texture I used was the effect the champions are standing on at the character selection part. All the other models are basic W3 units without any changes.
I wanted to create something that isn't actually Warcraftish, but still keep the size as low as I can, so I figured I should be using models that are somewhat neutral (so no Night Elves for example), that's why I tried to pick units that (to me) could look like they were something else (for example, the Murloc looks like some sort of frog, and the Draenei is close to some sort of undead).
I'm not sure how I could improve the ability effects. I don't want to import any custom models, I'm only working with stuff that I have made, and I'm trying to keep the gameplay as fast as possible, so no long casting times and fancy stuff. ;D
The difficulty of a champion comes from its abilities. Like you said, combos are the same for every champion. The first two champions deal as perfect example for this. We have the Shepherd of Fall (difficulty: 5/5) and the Morse Explorer (1/5). with ME, all you do is spam your S1, get close to the enemy and spam every other move, while SF has to sort of time his attacks, making it a lot more difficult to use.
The clumsyness of the key events and the abilities is something I can't really fix. W3 is simply slow when it comes to these kind of events (well, at least the key events, I'll look into abilities, though).
I will try to increase animation speed while attacking, so at least you don't have to wait as long as now. The problem with the map is, that as it is, it is closer to Warcraft than an actual fighting game, I'm working with basic animations and stuff, so I'll have to try to do something about that.
I'm also going to consider changing cooldowns, if it doesn't mess up the way I built the triggers (although I don't think it would).
Ballancing the champions is impossible as long as the map doesn't get approved, as I need people to test the champions and tell me what has to be fixed - if the map is invisible for players, I'll hardly get a lot of people to test it, right? ;D

Once again, thanks a lot for this review, it's some very helpful feedback!

 

[Bugz]

Sounds interesting..!

 

[Raven0]

You sir just restored my faith in Warcraft mods. Very original, very innovative, and very well done. A few things:

- you need to make it more clear that Q+W is the hotkey combo for the 2nd special
- you should have different battlegrounds (maybe one with platforms?)
- item possiblities? (dropping from the sky like super smash bros)

just some thoughts ^-^ Great map bro

 

[Bugz]

I rate it 4/5, its very fast game and i would like some story lines to each hero, you have a lot of space you could make levels and story line's aswell as items to be bought. But i really think this have a lot of potential and i will test every update you make, so keep it up!

 

[hunalexnl]

What kind of items are you guys suggesting?
The dropping boosts sound really cool, but I'm not sure about the items that can be purchased. Although, a very early version of the map did contain a save system - you had to collect credits to unlock specific champions.
Do you mean stuff like increased speed, damage, health?

 

[Kl3sk]

What kind of items are you guys suggesting?
The dropping boosts sound really cool, but I'm not sure about the items that can be purchased. Although, a very early version of the map did contain a save system - you had to collect credits to unlock specific champions.
Do you mean stuff like increased speed, damage, health?

I'm gonna go by that and figure that it might also involve items you can pick up and trow, like your average BOMB, TNT case, a net to disable your opponent, etc.

 

[hunalexnl]

I'm gonna go by that and figure that it might also involve items you can pick up and trow, like your average BOMB, TNT case, a net to disable your opponent, etc.

Wow, those didn't really come to my mind. Well, I never really played Smash Bros (although I'd love to give it a go), so I don't know much about it.
I'm actually more into replacing these things with game modes instead. I've wanted to add a mode where you'd have light coming down from the sky, and when it hits the ground and you're around, you'd get healed (pretty much the opposite of Lambageddon). I think this could be a single game mode, and stuff like this shouldn't be included in the default game mode.
If I get a list of what people want, I'll try to make it as close to the requests as possible.
Also, I'm open for game mode suggestions and champion modifications, new champions (as the description says, there are still 2 more to come and I have no clue what I should add).

 

[Kl3sk]

Wow, those didn't really come to my mind. Well, I never really played Smash Bros (although I'd love to give it a go), so I don't know much about it.
I'm actually more into replacing these things with game modes instead. I've wanted to add a mode where you'd have light coming down from the sky, and when it hits the ground and you're around, you'd get healed (pretty much the opposite of Lambageddon). I think this could be a single game mode, and stuff like this shouldn't be included in the default game mode.
If I get a list of what people want, I'll try to make it as close to the requests as possible.
Also, I'm open for game mode suggestions and champion modifications, new champions (as the description says, there are still 2 more to come and I have no clue what I should add).

I have two suggestions but it'll have to wait til tomorrow. It's way past my bedtime (no really, it is kinda late)

Til then, I'm curious of other people's suggestions. So nice to see this thread alive after being reviewed and approved.

 

[hunalexnl]

I have two suggestions but it'll have to wait til tomorrow. It's way past my bedtime (no really, it is kinda late)

Til then, I'm curious of other people's suggestions. So nice to see this thread alive after being reviewed and approved.

Yea, something's happening at last. ;D

 

[Bugz]

I think you should make this a huge map, instead of one single fight, you can make a 2d city, where you can press cities and enter, and take quest's. When you take a quest a portal in the city will be set to quest destination, where you have to fight monsters ( like the way you did before ), i really would like to see this map proceed and i believe its a future DC, also for items no need to make stuff like armor, just make it combat weapons. This will take long time, but it would be really great

 

[oldmilk]

It says Continue or Quit Slashcraft. Both end up quitting the game. Fix that please.

 

[hunalexnl]

@Bugz: you're talking about a beat 'em up game. It can't be done with the system I've created for this map, but I'm pretty sure that I'll soon start a similar map, because I've been thinking about a Mario styled map as well. I'll just make it a beat 'em up.

@oldmilk: yea, it's something annoying, but I cannot change it. It only continues after a melee game, but it throws you out of custom ones (as far as I know).

 

[Bugz]

Alright cool

 

[newbchu]

Started the game and CRASHED!

 

[Bugz]

Your computer is 2 old..

 

[newbchu]

Your computer is 2 old..

=_= its not

 

[MrMoonCrow]

Really good!
Good things will come from this map on future.

 

[Raven0]

I tried LANing this w/ a friend and the game crashed when the game started. We trief it w/ different comps snd tge same thing happened. 1 player works fine but it seems to crash w/ 2 human players

 

[hunalexnl]

I just got the same kinda error when I was testing it in my test mode, where there is no AI. When does it crash? at the very beginning? In my case it crashed when I got close to the enemy champion.

 

[JenDarK]

Same crash in LAN.

 

[hunalexnl]

Whenever you get close to each other? Is that it?

EDIT: Okay, I'm getting close to the source of the problem, it's somewhere in one of the AI triggers. Not sure yet, but the AI might have to go if I'm not able to find it.

EDIT2: Problem was solved, map has been updated.

 

[Kl3sk]

Well, I'm still sleepy , but I must keep my word. My suggestion for champions are as follows :

(I - Shadow (I'm bad with names, I told you) ; Model can be anything that fits the name / theme.

Skills : - Q (attacks with a shadow-like animation from underneath the target , this skill is ranged but not a special attack, so damage should be pretty low)
- W (special : creates a burst of black matter from bellow the opponent. *note : skill is instant, but you must be facing your opponent and the opponent must be on the ground, or it will have no effect on the target. Damage and effects may vary)
- Q + W (special 2 : transforms champion into a shadow and travels "X" distance in front of him, dealing damage in a line *ground and performs a "Q" attack on destination. *Note : if "Q" is currently in cool-down, it will not perform this skill upon arrival.
- E : Engulfs the battlefield with shadows / dark matter that damages and reduces damage that "special" moves do to your champion for 5-10 seconds. This skill is channeling (2 second cast time). The way I picture it in my head, the champion gathers these shadows / dark matter from the battlefield (meaning they get "sucked in" the champion while the skill is casting) and only then are they spewed out all across the battlefield (this can be random, or across the entire bridge) in a single burst.

^ I'm not sure if all that is possible or if it makes much sense, but I see great potential for combos if that type of character would be implemented.

Your view, hunalexnl ?

 

[hunalexnl]

Well, I'm still sleepy , but I must keep my word. My suggestion for champions are as follows :

(I - Shadow (I'm bad with names, I told you) ; Model can be anything that fits the name / theme.

Skills : - Q (attacks with a shadow-like animation from underneath the target , this skill is ranged but not a special attack, so damage should be pretty low)
- W (special : creates a burst of black matter from bellow the opponent. *note : skill is instant, but you must be facing your opponent and the opponent must be on the ground, or it will have no effect on the target. Damage and effects may vary)
- Q + W (special 2 : transforms champion into a shadow and travels "X" distance in front of him, dealing damage in a line *ground and performs a "Q" attack on destination. *Note : if "Q" is currently in cool-down, it will not perform this skill upon arrival.
- E : Engulfs the battlefield with shadows / dark matter that damages and reduces damage that "special" moves do to your champion for 5-10 seconds. This skill is channeling (2 second cast time). The way I picture it in my head, the champion gathers these shadows / dark matter from the battlefield (meaning they get "sucked in" the champion while the skill is casting) and only then are they spewed out all across the battlefield (this can be random, or across the entire bridge).

^ I'm not sure if all that is possible or if it makes much sense, but I see great potential for combos if that type of character would be implemented.

Your view, hunalexnl ?

Effin awesome, I was hoping for people to post these kinda ideas, cuz I want to change some of the current champions, as they are rather boring. I've maximized the number of champions in the last version to 10, so I'm not going to add an 11th champion, but Enchanted Moth will be replaced with your idea for sure. Thankies!

 

[Bugz]

I really agree with that.. you need some new ideas, ass well use custom models!..

 

[Kl3sk]

Effin awesome, I was hoping for people to post these kinda ideas, cuz I want to change some of the current champions, as they are rather boring. I've maximized the number of champions in the last version to 10, so I'm not going to add an 11th champion, but Enchanted Moth will be replaced with your idea for sure. Thankies!

So you like it ? Well, you're replacing a current champion for what , only in theory, could be a good character, so I guess I should be thanking you (since creating another champion from scratch is a lot of hard work, right?)

Anyway, if there are other things you'd need, maybe more champion ideas, I'm pretty much available.

 

[hunalexnl]

@Bugz: well, there's this little thing about my crappy attitude. I don't really like using other people's work, I'm only using stuff that I've made, so I guess there are no custom models coming - maybe custom skins, though, but I don't see why I should do that, because the original skins go pretty well with whatever I'm doing. Dunno yet.

@Kl3sk: right now I need to figure out how the other arena should look. I really effin hate terraining, but I have to get this one right. I've been trying to make a swamp but it's a disaster... If I were able to make some cloud models, I'd totally do an arena in the sky, though. x'D

 

[Bugz]

@Bugz: well, there's this little thing about my crappy attitude. I don't really like using other people's work, I'm only using stuff that I've made, so I guess there are no custom models coming - maybe custom skins, though, but I don't see why I should do that, because the original skins go pretty well with whatever I'm doing. Dunno yet.

Then who do you think made the orignal models? you? or someone else? it doesnt change anything, and people like it more that way

 

[hunalexnl]

Then who do you think made the orignal models? you? or someone else? it doesnt change anything, and people like it more that way

Basically I don't like giving credits to anyone. It's a shitty attitude, but that's the way I am. I rather work with stuff that's been made by either Blizzard, or me.

 

[Kl3sk]

@Bugz: well, there's this little thing about my crappy attitude. I don't really like using other people's work, I'm only using stuff that I've made, so I guess there are no custom models coming - maybe custom skins, though, but I don't see why I should do that, because the original skins go pretty well with whatever I'm doing. Dunno yet.

@Kl3sk: right now I need to figure out how the other arena should look. I really effin hate terraining, but I have to get this one right. I've been trying to make a swamp but it's a disaster... If I were able to make some cloud models, I'd totally do an arena in the sky, though. x'D

First off, let's get things straight : How is it a "crappy attitude" to rely on yourself, rather than others ? It's not ; But on the other hand, you should leave pride aside and remember that there is no shame in using other people's hard work and creativity, just like there should be none improving a map / project that does or does not belong to you. As long as you credit those people, no one's gonna point any fingers, but rather, they'll revel at the outcome of ingenuity, creativity and hard work. The Hive is the best place for such things , as it provides access to wonderful resources that (presumably) all members have access to, whether they've contributed to the Hive , or not. < -- This is what makes it a great place for both young, inexperienced map-makers and W3 vets alike. If you want to create a map and want 5 star rating all-round, the Hive is your oyster! Time is ticking, don't let it go to waste!

 

[Bugz]

First off, let's get things straight : How is it a "crappy attitude" to rely on yourself, rather than others ? It's not ; But on the other hand, you should leave pride aside and remember that there is no shame in using other people's hard work and creativity, just like there should be none improving a map / project that does or does not belong to you. As long as you credit those people, no one's gonna point any fingers, but rather, they'll revel at the outcome of ingenuity, creativity and hard work. The Hive is the best place for such things , as it provides access to wonderful resources that (presumably) all members have access to, whether they've contributed to the Hive , or not. < -- This is what makes it a great place for both young, inexperienced map-makers and W3 vets alike. If you want to create a map and want 5 star rating all-round, the Hive is your oyster! Time is ticking, don't let it go to waste!

I really agree with him, and you should learn from what he is telling

 

[hunalexnl]

It would no longer feel like my own work. Anyway, if I DID use custom models, I'd first team up with someone who's able to make custom models only for this map, and only add his works to Slashcraft. In this map, it's not really about the models themselves, but mainly the animations. If I had custom animations for the models, I'd be able to make more abilities too.

 

[Kl3sk]

It would no longer feel like my own work. Anyway, if I DID use custom models, I'd first team up with someone who's able to make custom models only for this map, and only add his works to Slashcraft. In this map, it's not really about the models themselves, but mainly the animations. If I had custom animations for the models, I'd be able to make more abilities too.

Team up with, or ask :

1) HappyTauren
2) -Kobas-
3) Valkemiere
4) ap0calypse

and so on. I'm sure they'd love to give a hand, or at least recommend someone.

 

[Bugz]

Team up with, or ask :

1) HappyTauren
2) -Kobas-
3) Valkemiere
4) ap0calypse

and so on. I'm sure they'd love to give a hand, or at least recommend someone.

I think they are way to busy.. Ask on project recruitment

 

[Lich-King]

Fatal Error

That's weird, it works perfectly for me. Where does it throw you out?

When Press start button on multiplayer games :'(

 

[Bugz]

It should be fixed, try and download the new update

 

[CoLd Bon3]

This map is just awesome! 5/5!!!! I would vote 15/5 if possible...

 

[Lich-King]

It should be fixed, try and download the new update

Thank you =) its fixed

 

[Bugz]

No problem

 

[galactcus]

very fun

 

[Marsal]

Oh fck I wanted to make a side view battle game

 

[hunalexnl]

Oh fck I wanted to make a side view battle game

What's hindering you?