Slalom Wars 1.7

[trebla ratilla]

i love this game rate 4/5

Spoiler: Suggestions

-the buildings should be invulnerable it will be vulnerble when the tower in that path will destroy
-make the path of the creeps clearer

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[Daffa]

Just to clear something out, despite having "Alpha" in changelog, this is considered as final and mostly focused on bug fixing and rebalances only.

@trebla ratilla
1. Oh yeah, overlooked that one. Less than likely to have Backdoor occurs though.
2. I want the path to be wide enough so players can properly set their position.

 

[deepstrasz]

1. Dwarf Skin's icon isn't passive looking. You can use this to make it so: Button Manager v1.8.2
2. Avoid using same models for other units (example: Mountain King shop).
3. Boots of Speed are not available from the start and their icon=Phantom Sneaker's.
4. Heroes and items are mostly Warcraft III ones.
5. Poison Sting item's icon looks passive. Items look like active abilities. You can use the program I've mentioned above to turn the icon into an active one.
6. Too many Altar of Elders buildings.
7. Too many Mercenary Camps; hurtful to the eyes on the minimap too. I suggest fewer ones (3 per side) with unique units (specialized/various roles).
8. Mask of Death 50%? Kind of overpowered.
9. You should find a suitable armour icon for heroes since it doesn't have a slot for numbers/upgrades. Maybe that program I've linked can do it.
10. Would be nice for upgrades to mention level current and max number in their title or description.
11. No leader/scoreboard?
12. Spells, WERTY ?
13. Not sure what you're supposed to do with so much lumber.
14. The HP upgrade also increases movement speed. What about the mana one? It doesn't have three bonuses.
15. Annnd got an unexpected crash... no idea why. Played with the Mountain King against the Demon Hunter. Had level 6 or 7 and two items: Mask of Death and the Phantom Sneaker. Had 6-7th damage level, 5-6th armour, 1 HP upgrade and 3-4 creep enhancement levels.

It's a good idea however it has too much usual Warcraft III content, even using a melee map as layout.
Also, don't forget credits!

Awaiting Update.

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[Daffa]

1. Dwarf Skin's icon isn't passive looking. You can use this to make it so: Button Manager v1.8.2
2. Avoid using same models for other units (example: Mountain King shop).
3. Boots of Speed are not available from the start and their icon=Phantom Sneaker's.
4. Heroes and items are mostly Warcraft III ones.
5. Poison Sting item's icon looks passive. Items look like active abilities. You can use the program I've mentioned above to turn the icon into an active one.
6. Too many Altar of Elders buildings.
7. Too many Mercenary Camps; hurtful to the eyes on the minimap too. I suggest fewer ones (3 per side) with unique units (specialized/various roles).
8. Mask of Death 50%? Kind of overpowered.
9. You should find a suitable armour icon for heroes since it doesn't have a slot for numbers/upgrades. Maybe that program I've linked can do it.
10. Would be nice for upgrades to mention level current and max number in their title or description.
11. No leader/scoreboard?
12. Spells, WERTY ?
13. Not sure what you're supposed to do with so much lumber.
14. The HP upgrade also increases movement speed. What about the mana one? It doesn't have three bonuses.
15. Annnd got an unexpected crash... no idea why. Played with the Mountain King against the Demon Hunter. Had level 6 or 7 and two items: Mask of Death and the Phantom Sneaker. Had 6-7th damage level, 5-6th armour, 1 HP upgrade and 3-4 creep enhancement levels.

It's a good idea however it has too much usual Warcraft III content, even using a melee map as layout.
Also, don't forget credits!

Awaiting Update.

1. Will do later, I have plans for the aura though, so I'll get to the icon later.
2. Shuffling them now.
3. I guess I'll shuffle them ASAP.
4. Welp, the map isn't in complete state after all.
5. Fixed
6. Changed the start building
7. I want them to be more randomized, maybe hiding their icons will do?
8. I'll have that item toned down or replaced
9. I'll get to it.
10. I don't think that's necessary. But I'll keep this in mind.
11. Nope, nope. Maybe I need to?
12. ZXCV the code. I'm trying to make a not so commonly used format.
13. They're mostly for buying creeps and some items. Want them more useful?
14. I think mana is quite difficult to regain than HP, as far as I analysed. I don't think it'll change for now, and I have nothing else to put there.
15. Found the error, it was with the Battle system I implemented to add bonus damage to troops and stuff (never crashed before that).

I'll fix credit on update.

 

[deepstrasz]

13. They're mostly for buying creeps and some items. Want them more useful?

Exchange them for gold?

7. I want them to be more randomized, maybe hiding their icons will do?

Hiding is the way to go if you can't find a smaller icon to replace that one. Having fewer camps with more units inside would also be an idea.

 

[Daffa]

13. Exchange them for gold?

7. Hiding is the way to go if you can't find a smaller icon to replace that one. Having fewer camps with more units inside would also be an idea.

13. Make upgrades use them (and AI compensations for that as well)
7. I was thinking of filling all tileset with their respective units to make the gameplay MUCH more diverse.

 

[Daffa]

The map hasn't been updated yet. I have requested to a reviewer to re-assign it as "AWAITING UPDATE".

Sorry for the bump.

 

[Daffa]

Here's an update folks. Changelog at description, but let me put it here :

Spoiler

0.7 Beta :
Changed some models and icons
Disabled damage bonus due to crash issues
Created a new kit for Mountain King
Lowered Demon's Fury mana cost
Added lumber cost to upgrade and AI now generate lumbers for themselves as well
Added Gold Coins and Bundle of Lumber to Karmon the Dragon Hunter (new name for Dwarf Miner)
All shop now doesn't show any minimap icon unless approached
Removed Dragon Roost from random troop shop
Improved gold bonus per second
Lowered Blood Money duration, but increased gold lost and cooldown
New items
Improved AI slightly
Improved Blademaster Wind Walk and Critical Strike
Shuffled Blood Mage and Shadow Hunter
Fixed Kodo Beast selling
Created a new kit for Crypt Lord
Improved Dreadlord's Inferno
Reduced Starfall's mana cost from 150/148/147 to 100
Increased Master Vampire (Day) reduction effect
Reduced Master Vampire (Night) bonus effect
Changed Summon Water Elemental mana cost distribution
Improved Rage effect
Improved Eye of Seer effect
Reduced Shuriken mana cost
Improved Inferno mana cost, effect and summon
Reduced Frostmoure's percentage for level 1
Increased Elune's Arrow distance
Improved some Human heroes spells

Still lazy dealing with bad description. Need to flesh it further to make more interesting.
Just so everyone know I'm not abandoning it.

 

[Daffa]

So far addressed point 1,2 (mostly),3,6,8,13,14 and 15. Some might not been reflected in the last update however.

 

[Daffa]

@deepstrasz @Paillan @twojstaryjakcie I would like to request to have this map reset to pending with no moderation until 1.0 version. I will have 0.8 Beta out today.

 

[Paillan]

Set to pending on authors request.

 

[deepstrasz]

(previous: Slalom Wars 1.0)

1. Would be nice to make the hero armour icon to actually have the proper upgrade sign:
Button Manager v1.8.2
BLP Lab v0.5.0
2. Remaining Pick... (not all the text can be seen on the timer) 1:49 minutes but I'm already fighting?
3. The map is pretty much lacking items but maybe that's not the idea even though it'll surely make it more diverse.
4. The merc camps don't seem fairly placed. The eastern team is closer to some while the western nearer to others.
5. Blades of Judgement doesn't have a precise description (values).
6. They can still shoot at you when you have the Divine Shield on. It might make people waste their attacks and spells. Actually, it might be good to avoid exploits, say when the Paladin's on low HP and uses Divine Shield only. This way it'll bee harder to escape. However, you can exploit the ultimate using Divine Shield and the Inner Fire spell. Maybe, you should make the ultimate chance based, I don't know or also base it on the mana the cast spell requires.
7. Why Spirit Tower I and II and not a different tower, model, skin or something and of course name?
8. You can buy from the enemy shops.
9. Exorcism shouldn't work on towers, I think.
10. Game messages with kills and other stuff could look nicer, use some colour, player colour and stuff like that.
11. Not sure why the Acolytes just stand idly but I'm not sure they are actually necessary anyways. Wait, they repair but doesn't that mean the elves are more advantaged because they have more wisps to repair?
12. No scoreboard/multiboard? I think you should make at least a basic one: All About Multiboards
13. Creeps aren't protecting their main building if the enemy her is not in their range.

The concept is fun but it needs more balancing overall.

Approved.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Congratulations @Daffa the Mage

 

[Daffa]

I think it shouldn't be approved just yet, lack of credit in the credit list for the resources used is against the rules.
@deepstrasz

 

[deepstrasz]

I think it shouldn't be approved just yet, lack of credit in the credit list for the resources used is against the rules.
@deepstrasz

The credits list is not blank. You have been given some time to complete it. This will help you: Resources in Use by Slalom Wars 0.8 BETA | HIVE

 

[Daffa]

Hero comes another hero AND 12 PLAYER SUPPORT WITH FULL AI SUPPORT!

Enjoy!

Also, completed the credit list. Tell if I missed anything.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Review	Slalom Wars
Key Concept	AoS - My favorite map concept. I like how you designed the map layout. THE NIGHT ELVES AND THE UNDEAD SCOURGE FIGHT ONCE AGAIN <3. The idea with the mercenaries is cool. You can bolster your forces towards victory. You used the Mana Flare special effect as selection model. I think is great in this map, since you can easily see your selected units. Good commands for singleplayer.
Gameplay	Basically, normal AoS gameplay but with some add-ons. This AoS is based more on pushing and creeps fight than hero specialization. Heroes are fine in my point of view, although there could be more. Custom and normal items implemented. I think it's enough. The Mercenary hero's third spell, the one based on windwalk, the backstab damage is not applied upon striking out to break the invisibility. Priestess's Searing Arrows damage is kinda huge at maximum level. I could practically instakill the siege creep. I suggest you lower the damage for that one, since it can turn into a very overpowered hero in late game. The map has AI, it's a plus. I always support AoS maps with AI system, be it low or high in terms of gameplay. Tower are kinda very easily to destroy. Especially when you get a bunch of mercenaries with you and push towards them. I suggest you raise their health by 500 or 1000, or increase their armor.
Terrain & Aesthetics	It's a nice and fitting terrain for this map, you could make the Northrend terrain on the undead side and a Lordaeron Summer or Ashenvale terrain on the night elven side (my opinion).
Wizardry	The spells fit the heroes. But I would like to see something more here. I liked the Priestess's ultimte. AoE spells should be implemented more on this map, since each player fights a quota of mercenaries and needs to wipe them out fast so they won't break through the base too quickly.
Final Suggestions	Add more heroes. Some more items. Nerf the Windwalk spell for the Mercenary hero and the Searing Arrows for the Priestess. Raise the towers health or armor.

My rating for this map 4/5.

 

[Daffa]

1.0

Reset Slow Poison for Dryads
Completed Lich hero
Completed TC hero
Totem of Might now benefits from Damage Empower and Shield Boost
Increase Star Rain base damage from 60 to 100
Decrease Starfall cooldown from 150/140/130/120 to 120 seconds
All players properly gain extra bounty over time
Completed Shadow Hunter hero
'Blood Effect' on low health
Reduce Hunter (Night) Bash chance from 75% to 60%
Changed UD Mercenary hero name
Update Carrion Swarm (Dreadlord) tooltip
Completed Far Seer hero
-lvl command now gives level 20
Elune's Arrow now has 25% chance for fast cooldown and free mana for next cast
Changed Shadow Meld of PotM with Unseen Watcher
Fixed a bug that causes some AI to not revive
Increases damage bonus from Frozen Sword/Frostmoure from 1.25/2 to 2/3
Reduces chance for Frozen Sword/Frostmoure from 50/100 to 33/66
Completed Death Knight hero
Teleportation items now has 150 seconds initial cooldown
Gem of True Seeing now has 300 seconds cooldown and initial cooldown
Artifacts now has 600 seconds initial cooldown and 300 seconds cooldown
Fixed Sentinel heroes might get stuck after teleport to near fountain
Completed Keeper of the Grove hero
Reduces Searing Arrow's damage from 30/60/120/240 to 30/60/90/120
Ability texts!

Biggest update so far. It also marks that BETA phase is over and this map is fully ready for play. More hero will come as time passes.

 

[Daffa]

1.1 PATCH

Fixes Anti-Magus Axe item
Fixes Item Healing text from AI heroes
Undead champions now has green color text
Raises Armor of Darkness level req from 1 to 2
Raises Unholy Aura level req from 1 to 3
Raises level skip req of all Far Seer hero abilities except Elementalist from default to 3
Reposition Elementalist X Button from 2 to 3
Raises Thorns Aura level req from 1 to 3
Raises Attribute Bonus level req from 1 to 7
Reduces Attribute Bonus skip level req from default to 1
Increases Hunt cooldown from 5 to 60 seconds
Reset Blood Mage to use the default Blood Mage materials
Heroes can no longer be duplicate between players (AI still has chance to duplicate with player hero)
Reduces food used from heroes from 5 to 0
Reduces max food to 100 from 300
Blood effect disappear on death
Completed X-Commander of Acceleration Squad
Improves Sword of Judgement by adding 40 damage
Increases Mantle of Imelda cost from 500 to 1000
Increases Talisman of Stars int bonus from 3 to 6
Grand Phoenix now benefits from Damage Empower
Changed Relocation Magic to work on all units, not only Magic Marked ones
Increases Relocation Magic mana cost from 75/50 to 125
Changed Relocation Magic to have 1 second delay
Changed Relocation Magic cooldown to 7 from 10/5
Added Tauren Chieftain and Far Seer to AI roster
AI pick now shows picked hero for 60 seconds
AI now renamed with name of hero to help identification

For those who were eager to try Anti-Magic Axe, I urge you to update as this fixes a major issue with that particular item. There are also some changes to existing heroes and a BRAND NEW HERO.

 

[Daffa]

Here's a video for one of the upcoming hero :

 

[Daffa]

To be honest, I'm ready with 1.2 but there's been a shitty desync bug I have a hard time narrow down (tested with 1.29, which doesn't have desync issues unlike 1.30). I will update the map soon, but for those who play multiplayer PLEASE REPORT EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DESYNC IN 1.2 VERSION!

 

[Daffa]

1.4 update is out!

1.4 PATCH [29 July 2020]:
New:
Hero: Hamaria - Lord of the Dead
Hero: Akechi Goro - Crow
Hero: Black Mask - Loki
Item: Corruption Orb [Karmon]
Changes:
Reduces health of all tiers of town hall massively
Mana now regenerates rapidly near fountain
Moved shops to avoid getting trapped during teleports
Changed Assassin's Claw to Power Axe for AI Item Set
Fixed Mind Terror's hotkey
Increased Nature Bind's stun from 6 (3) to 10 (5)
Increased Peace's duration from 10 to 15
Doubled Shadow Strike's initial damage on all levels
Flash Out now has 150 seconds cooldown
Increased Elune's Arrow's damage from 150/225/300/500 to 200/400/600/800
Elune's Arrow range now reflects properly how long it will travels
Triples Star Rain's starfall damage from 10/20/30/40 to 30/60/90/120
Eye of Darkness [Active] will not damage Affad Aybe anymore
Relocation Magic cooldown severely increased to 120 seconds
Relocation Magic now afflicts everyone in the radius
Reduced start time by 1 minute
Innate Upgrade now has 1 second research, down from 1 minute
-t now shows player's exp rate in percentage
Fixes:
Player 11-16 will now get proper limiter for hero and get resources from the base gold gathering

Here's a video of a transition patch between 1.3 and 1.4 for the Lord of the Dead hero:

 

[Cherrymage]

Hey, nice update!

Hmmmm, this new update brings a really fun hero -- the Black Mask. I've had a ton of fun messing around with him, and it's alyways a great pleasure seeing my stubborn, hapless preys all vanishing in the blink of an eye... >:)

LOKI STRONK

I also like how we can hire mercenaries by the roadsie to bolster our lane reinforcements. It's pretty neat.

I noticed a lack of neutrals to punish... maybe some random events will help spice things up to eleven? Random events that brings a powerful enough boss, but also comes with neat bounties...

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LOKI STRONK

Loki can get really, really, really powerful.

It's really fun when you're the stronk Loki, and yes I chuckled all the way as I leveled entire armies and heroes to their abyss while my level and stats just kept growing non-stop...

...but I doubt enemies will have the same fun against an unstoppable horror nightmare.

Survive the first few levels, find a big cluster of creeps, get the Call of Chaos (great damage boost!!!) and then slaughter your way to richness. Rinse and repeat until you're rich enough. Then, apply the Innate Upgrade and a bunch of other upgrades (esp. the Cooperation upgrades).

Before Innate

After Innate

Then... the horror descends upon this sad valley...

Loki : "Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world!"

Loki gets a sudden massive surge of power growth and that lets Loki slaughter everyone with massive impunity. Now, Loki can not only kill a hero with a few swings, but also destroy entire armies and reinforcements without breaking a sweat...

In my playtest, I've actually already made it to the enemy HQ at level 12. But since it's really fun to overkill, I went to stick around and kill hundreds more enemies. Oh, I even managed to intrude the enemy fountain area and then level every single one of those stubborn Spirit Towers >:)

Hi

Also that flamestrike gives me a huge barbeque feast every time lol... Yummy!

The slow rate of lumber income, however, was somewhat of a saving grace. I had to delay upgrades because I had not enough lumber...

Had it not for the lumber costs, I would liekly have maxed out my upgrades and become even much more dominant...

Barbeque!

And once I've reached a very strong position at Level 20 and purged hundreds more weaklings, I made another Call of Chaos, boosting my damage immensely by roughly 3000+... Meanwhile, my armor was reduced by a mere 10... from 138.5 to 128.5.

A few swings and the enemy HQ is bye-bye, no more.

Climax

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911 units eaten and 98 heroes sacrificed to sate Loki's undying hunger... Rest in Piss, yo.

Oh yeah, one enemy AI has picked Loki, but not even him could stop the Scourge's great humiliation.

Statistics

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Btw pls don't nerf Loki-senpai O_O

He great attacc, he great protecc, but most importantly, he great fun

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Hey, thanks for making Slalom Wars!

It's a really fun map where you get to fight alongside one main army, and that's something new. I also like how you can hire mercenaries too for your lane reinforcements. Oh, the stat growth per kill is awesome too!

And, of course it lets me dominate and humiliate your sad pitiful foes into submission! >:)

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Here ends my wall of review. I hope this can be very helpful and entertaining /cringe

If you have any questions or complaints, feel free to let me know.

 

[Daffa]

Hey, nice update!

Hmmmm, this new update brings a really fun hero -- the Black Mask. I've had a ton of fun messing around with him, and it's alyways a great pleasure seeing my stubborn, hapless preys all vanishing in the blink of an eye... >:)

LOKI STRONK

I also like how we can hire mercenaries by the roadsie to bolster our lane reinforcements. It's pretty neat.

I noticed a lack of neutrals to punish... maybe some random events will help spice things up to eleven? Random events that brings a powerful enough boss, but also comes with neat bounties...

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LOKI STRONK

Loki can get really, really, really powerful.

It's really fun when you're the stronk Loki, and yes I chuckled all the way as I leveled entire armies and heroes to their abyss while my level and stats just kept growing non-stop...

...but I doubt enemies will have the same fun against an unstoppable horror nightmare.

Survive the first few levels, find a big cluster of creeps, get the Call of Chaos (great damage boost!!!) and then slaughter your way to richness. Rinse and repeat until you're rich enough. Then, apply the Innate Upgrade and a bunch of other upgrades (esp. the Cooperation upgrades).

Before Innate

View attachment 363341

After Innate

View attachment 363342

Then... the horror descends upon this sad valley...

Loki : "Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world!"

Loki gets a sudden massive surge of power growth and that lets Loki slaughter everyone with massive impunity. Now, Loki can not only kill a hero with a few swings, but also destroy entire armies and reinforcements without breaking a sweat...

In my playtest, I've actually already made it to the enemy HQ at level 12. But since it's really fun to overkill, I went to stick around and kill hundreds more enemies. Oh, I even managed to intrude the enemy fountain area and then level every single one of those stubborn Spirit Towers >:)

Hi

View attachment 363348

Also that flamestrike gives me a huge barbeque feast every time lol... Yummy!

The slow rate of lumber income, however, was somewhat of a saving grace. I had to delay upgrades because I had not enough lumber...

Had it not for the lumber costs, I would liekly have maxed out my upgrades and become even much more dominant...

Barbeque!

View attachment 363344
View attachment 363343

And once I've reached a very strong position at Level 20 and purged hundreds more weaklings, I made another Call of Chaos, boosting my damage immensely by roughly 3000+... Meanwhile, my armor was reduced by a mere 10... from 138.5 to 128.5.

A few swings and the enemy HQ is bye-bye, no more.

Climax

View attachment 363345

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911 units eaten and 98 heroes sacrificed to sate Loki's undying hunger... Rest in Piss, yo.

Oh yeah, one enemy AI has picked Loki, but not even him could stop the Scourge's great humiliation.

Statistics

View attachment 363346
View attachment 363347

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Btw pls don't nerf Loki-senpai O_O

He great attacc, he great protecc, but most importantly, he great fun

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Hey, thanks for making Slalom Wars!

It's a really fun map where you get to fight alongside one main army, and that's something new. I also like how you can hire mercenaries too for your lane reinforcements. Oh, the stat growth per kill is awesome too!

And, of course it lets me dominate and humiliate your sad pitiful foes into submission! >:)

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Here ends my wall of review. I hope this can be very helpful and entertaining /cringe

If you have any questions or complaints, feel free to let me know.

Ah, so you ask for nerf? I heard the calling

Anyway, I'll start replying to the content of the post.

I'm glad the whole mercenary + stat bounty is noticeable and fun. I will consider neutrals, especially since the main middle spot is so empty it can use something to spice things up.

All heroes can get horribly strong if left unchecked (one time Far Seer was broken that it heals whenever attacked. More health is more healing. It was nerfed afterward, though given time, it is possible to be broken with Far Seer. The whole game is a race to rack stat as soon as possible.

I have been considering the values Loki can use. Given he lacks any offensive damage aside from Call of Chaos before level 4 (Megidola/Megidolaon + Laevateinn). Attack Master is too unreliable thus far, and I consider adding Damage Engine to make that more viable while tweaking his abilities. Maybe I'll nerf his Call of Chaos a bit. It is meant to be a party-wide buff during ganking/encounter, but the whole channeling means it has to be properly coordinated and can be interrupted with stuns (and this map has quite a number of those). I think I'll get Call of Chaos -20 armor back or reduce the whole damage bonus.

Yeah, it is fun when you're a strong hero. But the reverse ain't fun at all. I have been thinking of solutions for this matter, though I haven't come up with anything great. I'll start with Agility nerfing, since too much Agi means a huge armor.

You can purchase Lumber from the Rifleman hero.

AI is not truly reliable and mostly to allow some testing. Balancing cannot be done with the AI, and rely on human testing, which I don't have people to help out at the moment. Well, I can try hosting in 1.32 and see how people react to the map and balances it has.

 

[Daffa]

Updated to 1.5. I have balanced some numbers up but some heroes are still high on the pedestal of power (looking at you, Loki). The current build fixes some annoying issues with Far Seer's passive (you'll be glad if you know what happened in the 1.2 or so patch that I have not to get around to fix properly till this one, albeit it was nerfed once), and added something that might pique everyone:

ESSENCE

Introducing a whole new level of OP. Essence, for a cheap cost of 5k, can easily swing the tide into your favor (well, not if your enemy decides to ham you with Innate Upgrade). The given bonus from these essences is the sheer level of monstrosity that is meant to enforce opponents to also purchase Essence (or Artifacts, but that's expensive) to counter you.

With the new addition of Essence, I hope that players can get more involved in the game and strategize their builds for each of the existing heroes. The essence effects can be pretty 'mild' (slow stat boots that rack to oblivion), or directly a pain (damage multipliers). Never underestimate a seemingly benign essence, as it comes to how the essence is meant to be used. Some are assigned for Tankers, some for Burst/Nuker, some for Support. More essence will come out when I have the idea for them

I also provided 1.4 for those who stick around with non-Reforged. Blame 1.31 for being buggy with comments.

-Daffa

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