Round Table of Arkain

[Shar Dundred]

Maybe.

 

[deepstrasz]

Maybe.

Or the short stories ?

 

[Shar Dundred]

So many possibilities!

 

[deepstrasz]

So little time.

 

[DD Mikasa]

If the Elfs and Orcs had a baby that would be the Bearmen...
They have a tribal structure with many chiefs ruling their own clans yet they cooperate with each-other without infighting
They live on a forest and don't care about the outside world politics or the internal one's it seems for a race as ferocious (akin to orcs) they have adopted a pretty aloof attitude(just as the elfs)

One would wish we could get more insight into their customs(despite the fact they are almost extict now with just one tribe managing to survive)
Maybe even a Hero (yeah i know the orc book is already saturated with heros but hey...One has to take the place of that *shithead* that was finally put to rest and thank god for that i wont have to deal with his atrocious spells anymore)

 

[Shar Dundred]

Another entry for the 2D works I am doing, this time it is Larine.

 

[Boriss]

Another entry for the 2D works I am doing, this time it is Larine.

New portraits for the campaign or is it planned for another project of yours?

 

[Shar Dundred]

No idea if you people are even interested in this kind of stuff, but I have done some texturing
in a different game (Yes, me and 2D art, funny, I know) and created something I consider a
possible look for an Ironfist Elite.

I may do more stuff like that in the future as I really like the results here.
If so, I'll post them in a different place to avoid spamming this thread if you people
are interested in this kind of stuff, if you're not, I will just keep them to myself.

 

[deepstrasz]

New portraits

I was thinking of the character sheet ones.

 

[Lessingham]

Hey @Shar Dundred, I just wanted to thank you for your hard work and years put into this project, it gave me motivation necessary to start making my own campaign What advice would you give to a beginner?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Thanks& good luck!
All I can tell you is to be patient and read the tutorials.

 

[ShadowGamerXXX]

Shar Dundred... your stories have inspired me to not be able to... I would like to one day be like you... even create cult campaigns like yours.
Presentation aside, I'll leave some questions that take my mind.

1) Why does Aedale learn demonic magic despite not absorbing the fragment as much as the eye?
2) In the first book help Gardon and Gardon gave me 3 elites that I lost in the next chapter (I am very bad... never active defend)... a chancellor should become a demonic slave by the decision to help Gardon... But he doesn't rebel... with what my question is this... didn't coming up with elites make the game think that I don't help Gardon?
3)Do all bonis alter the story?
4) When Aedale joins Lisara... Blenn mentions that Lerrig and Merlon are dying... is it just Aedale's imagination?
5) Van Durce and Gardon hate the emperor ... why do they not unite? Or did you just want one of us to die?

 

[Shar Dundred]

1) Why does Aedale learn demonic magic despite not absorbing the fragment as much as the eye?

Thanks to Lisara's efforts.

2) In the first book help Gardon and Gardon gave me 3 elites that I lost in the next chapter (I am very bad... never active defend)... a chancellor should become a demonic slave by the decision to help Gardon... But he doesn't rebel... with what my question is this... didn't coming up with elites make the game think that I don't help Gardon?

What?

3)Do all bonis alter the story?

Not all of them, no.

4) When Aedale joins Lisara... Blenn mentions that Lerrig and Merlon are dying... is it just Aedale's imagination?

That is a "possible vision of the future" (inaccurate) shown by Lisara to Aedale to further
pressing Aedale into accepting Lisara's proposal.

5) Van Durce and Gardon hate the emperor ... why do they not unite? Or did you just want one of us to die?

By the time van Durce had turned against the Emperor (or actually the other way around), it was
way too late for the two of them to join forces which becomes clear when reading the dialogues
of the Second Human Book, especially the interlude between the chapters Ten and Eleven thoroughly.

 

[ShadowGamerXXX]

In chapter 3 of the first human book, when Salana helps Gardon, Gardon gives him 3 of his best soldiers (Elites), in chapter 4 I lost the elites before reaching the elf base, which caused Larantos not to join the demons , may be chosen as a help, but Gardon does not appear to ask for help.
I think what triggered Gardon's not available was that at the time he didn't have any elites to warn me that Gardon could help me.
I think the game thought that Escape from the battle in the chapter before i did not own any elite.

PS: I lost the elites thanks to my strategic inability, trying to do the first optional mission before reaching the base.

 

[Axmand]

We will see more of Aadale (Not Lisara) in the future?

 

[Shar Dundred]

In chapter 3 of the first human book, when Salana helps Gardon, Gardon gives him 3 of his best soldiers (Elites), in chapter 4 I lost the elites before reaching the elf base, which caused Larantos not to join the demons , may be chosen as a help, but Gardon does not appear to ask for help.

Larantos always joins the Demons.

I think what triggered Gardon's not available was that at the time he didn't have any elites to warn me that Gardon could help me.

Have you gone the other way after siding with Gardon?
Gardon will always be available if you helped him.

We will see more of Aadale (Not Lisara) in the future?

Do you mean like an uncorrupted Aedale or a past Aedale?

 

[Axmand]

Do you mean like an uncorrupted Aedale or a past Aedale?

Mmm... i mean, Lisara consume her completely right? or Aedale its still "there"? if the second one its the correct, we will hear/see her again trying to take control?...

 

[ShadowGamerXXX]

I'm sorry for my insistence on asking... but now he's playing the orc books.

1) Does killing the leader of the bandits in Chapter 1 alter the story?
2) Doesn't helping the shamans in Chapter 2 alter the story?
3) What difference does it make to kill the imperials or kill the Moghrar?
4) Is it intentional that failing the optional mission by attacking the Karshin is almost impossible?
5) Does killing the orc champion and buying the GoldenAxe clan alter the story?
6) Doesn't it have a psychological influence on Sas to listen to Vanessa and enslave the Knight Take?
7) Does stealing resources from the dead, not humans, have only a slight impact on history?
8) Because you made everyone think that Sas is a coward if all his mistakes were the fault of an unforeseen event and not his lack of leadership?
8.2) It would have been great if the leader of the domain could be indirectly elected, for example that if Rath had survived, Sas forgives Logan and proves his worth in some optional missions, he became leader, the same with Vanessa and even with the sorcerer Old man
8.3) I'm sorry to say, but Amari is an opportunist, she uses her own influence to say that Sas is the worst... Even the leader of the centaurs who knew everyone as liberators (even Sas), Amari tells him that his brother is the coward lychee and stupid, the centaur leader believes him as the one who freed his race... despite not knowing if those words are true
9) Will keeping Logan alive alter the story?
10) What is the canonical option? Vanessa RedFist, Vanessa del Dominio or Vanessa dead?

 

[Shar Dundred]

Mmm... i mean, Lisara consume her completely right? or Aedale its still "there"? if the second one its the correct, we will hear/see her again trying to take control?...

Aedale is not really there anymore. It would require a miracle for her to even regain any form
of consciousness, like an EXTREME traumatic moment which is possible but extremely unlikely.

 

[Axmand]

Thanks for the reply, but honestly i hope to see her in the future...

One more question, will you take your project to W3:Reforged?

 

[Championfighter25]

1) Does killing the leader of the bandits in Chapter 1 alter the story?

Spoiler

No.

2) Doesn't helping the shamans in Chapter 2 alter the story?

Spoiler

Only grants an additional base for that mission.

3) What difference does it make to kill the imperials or kill the Moghrar?

Spoiler

Killing the imperials : The humans hate you a lot more.
Killing the Moghtar: One of the Moghtar bases in chapter 9, Second Orc Book has a different hero.

4) Is it intentional that failing the optional mission by attacking the Karshin is almost impossible?

Most likely.

5) Does killing the orc champion and buying the GoldenAxe clan alter the story?

Spoiler

Killing the orc champion ( I presume you mean Kakuzu?) doesn't alter anything.
Buying the Goldaxe clan doesn't alter the story. Just makes that mission easier by making them your ally.

6) Doesn't it have a psychological influence on Sas to listen to Vanessa and enslave the Knight Take?

Spoiler

Sasrogarn remains the same regardless of your choice.

7) Does stealing resources from the dead, not humans, have only a slight impact on history?

Spoiler

The choice in itself isn't very important, yes, but combined with other choices, it is story altering.

9) Will keeping Logan alive alter the story?

Spoiler

From what we know so far, keeping him alive only slightly alters a line of dialogue in the second orc book epilogue.

10) What is the canonical option? Vanessa RedFist, Vanessa del Dominio or Vanessa dead?

Spoiler

Vanessa remaining a loyal member of the Tribal Dominion.

 

[Shar Dundred]

One more question, will you take your project to W3:Reforged?

I do not intend to buy Reforged at this point and that is unlikely to change.

 

[ShadowGamerXXX]

Spoiler

Killing the orc champion ( I presume you mean Kakuzu?) doesn't alter anything.
Buying the Goldaxe clan doesn't alter the story. Just makes that mission easier by making them your ally.

No... I meant the bloodhand clan champion

 

[Championfighter25]

No... I meant the bloodhand clan champion

Spoiler

From what I remember, it was pretty much like the Goldaxe clan. Killing him only makes the red base your ally for the mission.

 

[Mvicio]

After ending the SOB i´ve thinking about Zairmak and i´ve got a theory: (Not sure how to put it on spoiler)
Zairmak maybe is a dreadlord of an unknown legion or maybe from Mindslayer Legion. Why? Because of the Scepter he have, it says that he dont want to talk about it and never answers questions about it, also give he unholy aura, skill "linked" to undead or demons.
On the other hand you have his set of skills: Sleep and Fire Burn is pretty much skills from Vanilla Dreadlord, also finger of death was used by the leader of the demons Archimonde. And mana syphon is something that a demon or even an undead of arkain could do.

His story tell us that he is the oldest orc, maybe he was on the first raids of arkain, also he lived on a small island but we dont know how much time, maybe years or even decades. So, maybe on that time on the island he was killed and a dreadlord took his place, so he could go back to his clan, get the chieftain title and manipulated orcs from within.

The only thing i dont get is he fights demons, but we also know that some legions hate each other and maybe using the orcs as a weapon, he wants to destroy the souleater Legion.

 

[Kuras2003]

After ending the SOB i´ve thinking about Zairmak and i´ve got a theory: (Not sure how to put it on spoiler)
Zairmak maybe is a dreadlord of an unknown legion or maybe from Mindslayer Legion. Why? Because of the Scepter he have, it says that he dont want to talk about it and never answers questions about it, also give he unholy aura, skill "linked" to undead or demons.
On the other hand you have his set of skills: Sleep and Fire Burn is pretty much skills from Vanilla Dreadlord, also finger of death was used by the leader of the demons Archimonde. And mana syphon is something that a demon or even an undead of arkain could do.

Well... about his skill.... he is warlock after all, dude who specialise in demonic magic and demonic stuff

 

[Axmand]

In the mission "Siege of Kome" in the First Orc Book, what is the canonical decision about Vanessa? Yes or No?

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

I'm only going to say that "The Blackthorn" are the closest thing we will ever get to "an alliance/union of all races".

Spoiler: Grammar mistakes

refered -> referred
It i unknown -> it is unknown

 

[Shar Dundred]

Spoiler

Would you say that the Blackthorn, a massive mercenary organisation, is more like that
than the Tribal Dominion itself?

 

[lekxman22]

Hahahah Shar when we are getting new storie

 

[Shar Dundred]

I currently do not plan to release a new short story anytime soon.

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

Would you say that the Blackthorn, a massive mercenary organisation, is more like that
than the Tribal Dominion itself?

Spoiler

Considering how every race is allowed to join ( except the undead and demons, for obvious reasons) and there is no racism among them, I would say yes.
Though, it's only by a slight margin, since they care about the profit above all.

 

[DD Mikasa]

Spoiler

Considering how every race is allowed to join ( except the undead and demons, for obvious reasons) and there is no racism among them, I would say yes.
Though, it's only by a slight margin, since they care about the profit above all.

Spoiler

I wouldn't call them the closest faction that does not poses racial tensions, they are mercenaries they dont care with whome they fight along as long as they get that sweet dosh,Tribal dominion is more deserving of that title, they put asside their differences so they could survive and thrive, Blackthorn seems more like an "option" for the human warriors to still make a living while still living within their own lands

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

I wouldn't call them the closest faction that does not poses racial tensions, they are mercenaries they dont care with whome they fight along as long as they get that sweet dosh,Tribal dominion is more deserving of that title, they put asside their differences so they could survive and thrive, Blackthorn seems more like an "option" for the human warriors to still make a living while still living within their own lands

Spoiler

Yet they still are incredibly progressive for a mercenary group. A mercenary group before the second Voidwar would've never allowed any race to join it. But, anyway, me saying they were more tolerant than the dominion wasn't the main point of my post. My main point was that they accomplish the idea of "an alliance/union of all races" way better than the Dominion since they can potentially have members from every non-Dominion race. (Except the Undead and Demons)

 

[deepstrasz]

 

[Shar Dundred]

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The use of spoiler tags is legit.

@Championfighter25:
Thing is, the Blackthorn are doing what they do for money. The Dominion is also tolerant,
mind you that they accepted the Humans in their ranks and are inviting additional races to
their cause.

 

[DD Mikasa]

@Championfighter25 Shar summed it up for me.

What i was trying to imply was that Blackthorn's main driving factor is money whiles Dominions is their very own survival.So dominon would be more willing to accept any potential ally.
While blackthorn would take into account how useful this new race would be.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I just got the final confirmation that something as simple as save & load with version 1.31.1
causes serious issues with some triggers.
I would like to repeat that I highly suggest to use 1.29.2. The amount of issues with newer
versions keeps increasing & I am starting to lose patience with Blizzard's errors.

 

[deepstrasz]

I would like to repeat that I highly suggest to use 1.29.2.

[Need Help] Back to 1.29

 

[Axmand]

I just got the final confirmation that something as simple as save & load with version 1.31.1
causes serious issues with some triggers.
I would like to repeat that I highly suggest to use 1.29.2. The amount of issues with newer
versions keeps increasing & I am starting to lose patience with Blizzard's errors.

Its ok to use 1.30 version?... i mean so far i dont have any problems using it...

 

[Shar Dundred]

I cannot say that for certain, I stayed away from the 1.3X versions due to them causing
too many bugs for my taste for the editor already.
Maybe you had no issues, maybe you had issues that you simply never noticed, I cannot say
for sure.

The issue with the triggers should not be in 1.30, so this right here should not be an issue for you.
However, I cannot guarantee that there will be no other issues.

 

[lekxman22]

i play on 1.29

 

[Axmand]

If i find any ill let you know...

 

[lekxman22]

Guys i replayed second human book
I almost got to tears as i wish that volarian was a good father not mind controlled by largoth or somone
Shar by any chance is there where lisara wont control Aedale or her fate is sealed either way?

 

[deepstrasz]

Shar by any chance is there where lisara wont control Aedale or her fate is sealed either way?

Spoiler

 

[Axmand]

Canonical speaking at the end, Lisara got total control of Aedale... at least for now...

 

[DD Mikasa]

Shar by any chance is there where lisara wont control Aedale or her fate is sealed either way?

Based on your choices she can resist Lisara's influence and spare Duke Valorian but cannonicaly speaking, she's under the the influence of Lisara and Duke dies...In fact Aedale as an entity does not even exist anymore Lisara is using her body as a vessel.

 

[Axmand]

How do i make Vanessa to stay in the Tribal Dominion?

 

[Kuras2003]

How do i make Vanessa to stay in the Tribal Dominion?

Don't make her leave

 

[Axmand]

Don't make her leave

How?