Rome Total War 1.82

[Xeryxoz]

Hello and an Idea

Hey, I've played this with you yesterday and I've got to say, amazing map, despite the delay which I hope will be worked out in further versions (I'll host your map as soon as it is playable)

By the way I've got an idea (which is bellow) that can be used to minimize global lag and to enhance game performances, also adding some interesting elements to the game, If you wish to use it and or take your time making it

The idea : Battlefield area - Same concept as the Battlefield for the legionary job, but there is a twist
The idea is to minimize units over Europe, and to make the size of Europe matter, not to mention lower the delay, so here's the quick process of how it would work.
1. The unit you build from the barracks would be a leader unit, that leads an X amount of units (which will be contained in mana)
2. When 2 leading units attack each other, they are transported onto the battlefield, and the mana they have spawns the X amount of troops onto that battlefield
3. To have more types of units participate in the battle, an Officer/General type of unit that has the ability "Transport", allowing more units to be taken onto that battlefield
4. Battlefield types - Can be made through region palates, so that you can spawn trees or stuff like that around... depending on the position in the region palate

The idea takes a lot of time to make because of the 4th step of making, though the first 3 are easy to create... also opens up a Total War type of attacking and playing...

 

[lDarkAlex]

Is the version 1.5 ready to download?

 

[lDarkAlex]

I founded a bug,when you train with te Dummy,he don't give you Damage,he don't die. But the target is working good and he dies and give you damage. Fx that please. See ya

 

[Peaces]

I founded a bug,when you train with te Dummy,he don't give you Damage,he don't die. But the target is working good and he dies and give you damage. Fx that please. See ya

It's not a bug.

 

[purparisien]

Hello everyone, I'll do a quick update.

I've a friend of mine who is actually doing the system that you describe for his map. Gollum[KoMe] even has redone the Europe in 480x300 for this purpose. He is working a real total war map, but without the RP environment.

For the moment, I think I will ad more barbarian cities to visit with new tasks in it. More abilities will be given as a Leader of a Country.

For the 1.5 version, I think I will be able to release it this week end.

 

[Peaces]

Hello everyone, I'll do a quick update.

I've a friend of mine who is actually doing the system that you describe for his map. Gollum[KoMe] even has redone the Europe in 480x300 for this purpose. He is working a real total war map, but without the RP environment.

For the moment, I think I will ad more barbarian cities to visit with new tasks in it. More abilities will be given as a Leader of a Country.

For the 1.5 version, I think I will be able to release it this week end.

Hurray a new update!

 

[lDarkAlex]

It's not a bug.

Why is not a Bug?

 

[Peaces]

Attacking the dummy gives you more attack damage on each kill.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Can't say I like the new minimap.

Some RTS factions don't have healers (the Britons, for one).

 

[lDarkAlex]

Attacking the dummy gives you more attack damage on each kill.

Men,test it,attack the Dummy don't give you damage,the Target does,but Dummy don't.

 

[Peaces]

Men,test it,attack the Dummy don't give you damage,the Target does,but Dummy don't.

It works fine to me but which gym north or south?

 

[lDarkAlex]

WTF,now work,idk why don't work but now he do. I think maybe is lag

 

[Peaces]

WTF,now work,idk why don't work but now he do. I think maybe is lag

Good thing it works now and good luck on playing it.

 

[purparisien]

Actually, the main reason to change the minimap is to improve the downloads of the map. I'll have some healers to the Brits too.
About Sparta, you will a Farmer job where you can upgrade and product various cereals to increase revenus. It will be like a Farm simulator a bit.

 

[cleavinghammer]

It's not so much the images as not being able to tell where you are.

 

[purparisien]

It's marketing : for instance in Epic.war the most downloaded maps are those with custom images because you see them before the dl.

 

[cleavinghammer]

I don't suppose there's a way to turn it back in-game?

Some units (chariots, high priests) seem to take an unusually long time to decay.

 

[purparisien]

The atachments of the chariot does this weird decaying. I can't really do much about it except removing the whole unit after it dies.

I've made a big update too. I remade the RTS mode. Now there is a coring system. Each nation has some core cities. These cities have unrest (mana). If you have uncore cities or high taxes it will revolt. Then you can core your cities with your second Hero for some mana to prevent rebellion. You ll also have 2 dignitaries to create revolts in ennemis cities and appease yours.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Sounds intriguing, but I don't get what you mean by coring.

 

[purparisien]

it is like europa universalis 4 : A core is a national right to a city. It states whether your control over the domain is justified or not. When you have one you don't have to worry. Otherwise your city can rise up against you. An ability will show the cores of your city.

 

[Peaces]

So you mean the mana is the city's trust or loyalty in the nation they belong to?

 

[purparisien]

yes exactly. When the mana is at max, the city turns hostile.

 

[Peaces]

Sounds like the original Rome:Total War campaign game.

 

[purparisien]

Yes it sounds like it. I wanted to add a bit more gameplay in the RTS mode. Thus, you can create revolts or appease cities with your dignitaries. However, you can only have 2 at the same time.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Just throwing out some ideas here, I'm well aware they might be too time-consuming to actually do:

Have the capitals be taken with Siege map gameplay (like those Helm's Deep maps). As in, instead, instead of attacking the overworld building, troops go to the RP city, where they attack the army at the walls. Then once they're in the city, they need to conquer various key locations to win the capital, with the population resisting the entire time.

Make the soldier job available in singleplayer.

Have random events for every capital, not just Rome.

 

[lDarkAlex]

Good idea the Soldier job. But why when a player become Emperor you don't do something to put the Praetorians and all the city guards in his control?

 

[purparisien]

Just throwing out some ideas here, I'm well aware they might be too time-consuming to actually do:

Have the capitals be taken with Siege map gameplay (like those Helm's Deep maps). As in, instead, instead of attacking the overworld building, troops go to the RP city, where they attack the army at the walls. Then once they're in the city, they need to conquer various key locations to win the capital, with the population resisting the entire time.

Make the soldier job available in singleplayer.

Have random events for every capital, not just Rome.

Each of your idea is very good. I'll do something like this in the future. The Capital one will be probably done a bit later because it is time consuming and I will add new cities to visit.

For Sparta, I'll add a Farm job, when you control the production of Cereals. You can recruit guards and slaves. Having too many slaves and too few guards cause riots in city. You can focus on a special product to earn more revenus. The more product you have in one domain, the less ressources you earn from it while the others increase.

 

[lDarkAlex]

So,if i work like a Farmer in Sparta i can recruit guards and slaves?

 

[purparisien]

Yes, and you have a possible rebellion each minute depending of the number of units. (number of slaves / (number of guards x 2))

 

[lDarkAlex]

So i must have the same number of Guards and Slaves to prevent a rebellion? Easy

 

[cleavinghammer]

Some more ideas:

Put pirate ships in the sea. If the transport carrying the hero is boarded, he gets sold into slavery, ending up in one of the cities with equipment and money gone, rank back down to plebeian and having to work as a slave (basically the standard quests, but you don't get money for them). Then they have to free themselves or start a revolt to get their rank, money and equipment back. Or have an allied player or your wife pay the ransom.

One of the wives has a steal ability, make it take money or random items if used on non-heroes. I think there's an item that lets you do this (but it says "fly" instead of "steal").

Have non-equipment items like potions and such in DM. For example, wine in Rome that gives Drunken Brawler, alcohol from the Slavs that gives Berserk, a potion from an irreductible village in northwestern Gaul that gives superhuman strength...

 

[purparisien]

You have good ideas. Actually I was planning on adding some magic potion when I extend the map and added the Gallic city to visit. Actually, I could add the slavery system for the other cities. For instance, you can be sold as a slav for the Scyths or the Germans if you get killed by of their unit.

 

[lDarkAlex]

And when is gona be ready the 1.5? I want to test it

 

[purparisien]

This week end probably. I just need to finish the Spartan jobs

 

[lDarkAlex]

Nice.

 

[purparisien]

I've a modified the revenus system for the map:
-Now cities give an income depending of the population of your city
-The population is the "gold" of the city. I just renamed it.
-When your taxes are high, your population doesnt increase.
-When your taxes are low, your population increase faster.
-Conquering a city will reduce population

 

[cleavinghammer]

In that case:

* Have a spy unit in DM that can affect city mana by causing uprisings, reducing population...
* Make the city's ability to defend itself decrease with population (so at full pop it attacks faster and harder than at low health).
* Maybe have units switch between doing population damage and normal damage (choosing between easily winning a city that won't give much in taxes or a difficult battle that will pay off much faster). Siege units in particular should be good for doing large amounts of population and normal damage, with ranged and melee units getting you money in exchange for lowered damage (from looting and ransoming).

 

[purparisien]

- Have a spy unit in DM that can affect city mana by causing uprisings, reducing population -> done

- Make the city's ability to defend itself decrease with population (so at full pop it attacks faster and harder than at low health). -> hum why not. But it could quite hard to trigger

- Maybe have units switch between doing population damage and normal damage (choosing between easily winning a city that won't give much in taxes or a difficult battle that will pay off much faster). -> siege units will be able to attack with Rocks to deal damages or Undead Corpse to decrease population

Siege units in particular should be good for doing large amounts of population and normal damage, with ranged and melee units getting you money in exchange for lowered damage (from looting and ransoming).

 

[cleavinghammer]

I was about to suggest the corpse toss myself.

Maybe a building-only buff based on Cripple that gets removed when over a certain pop cap? For example, if the city has low health it deals lowered damage, low pop means it attacks slower.


* Caravans of settlers to replenish the conquered city's mana (costs mana from a conquered city to build).
* Turning soldiers into city mana (city guards).
* Conversely, forming soldier units from city mana.

 

[purparisien]

Hello, the map is about to be released.
However, I would like to do some tests about the lags before the official release.
I've put a Beta on pastebin, in order to check the potential lag of the new version.
Here is the link. Can you tell me if you find it too laggy or if it is ok.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=1a23p7

 

[cleavinghammer]

The lag does seem a lot better. However:

* Music is wonky, sometimes you take the camera off the PC for second, the music stops, and starts again from the beginning.
* Sparta's carriage takes you to Alexandria.
* Lag starts up again when near a quarry. I suggest removing most of the rocks and have them respawn instead.

 

[purparisien]

Ok I'll remove some rocks and correct some bugs.
The map should be done tomorrow.

 

[cleavinghammer]

* Dignitary: Both the Populate and Poison Wells result in population loss.
* The core switching should be explained in the quests.
* Some hero auras still keep the French tooltips/have the wrong name or description (Logistics/Fighting Spirit Aura, for one). They also don't give the right numbers for the stat bonuses.
* Autoritas doesn't seem to increase with kills.
* What's the sandstorm supposed to do?

 

[Peaces]

lDarkAlex's bug about gym is now noticeable.
Merchant goods(ex: Papyrus, Wine etc.) can't enter any city since it is classified as soldiers.

 

[purparisien]

* Dignitary: Both the Populate and Poison Wells result in population loss.
-> I'm gonna fix it

* The core switching should be explained in the quests.
-> Why noy. It won't hurt

* Some hero auras still keep the French tooltips/have the wrong name or description (Logistics/Fighting Spirit Aura, for one). They also don't give the right numbers for the stat bonuses.
-> Damn French ! They never give up !

* Autoritas doesn't seem to increase with kills.
-> I reduce the amount of damages it provides. I saw games with heroes having 100 dmg at the very beginning. So I reduce the bonus from 1 to .02

What's the sandstorm supposed to do?
-> Basically it is TP. Your guys can go somewhere in Europe.

* Merchant goods(ex: Papyrus, Wine etc.) can't enter any city since it is classified as soldiers.
-> I'm gonna fix it

 

[cleavinghammer]

* Slavs don't have a healer, or a way of getting a Dignitary. Also, the Forest Priest's spell is more dangerous to your own troops since they can't move to escape or chase.
* Blacksmith can't be sold items.
* You might want to consider lowering the guard range on neutral units. I've had lots of attacks end in disaster because conquering one city brings the troops from another, so the army deals with them, leading to a third city sending its troops...
* When a city rebels it should spawn hostile units as well.

 

[purparisien]

* Slavs don't have a healer, or a way of getting a Dignitary.
-> I'm gonna fix that
Also, the Forest Priest's spell is more dangerous to your own troops since they can't move to escape or chase.
-> That's the point but they have huge attack speed bonus
* Blacksmith can't be sold items.
-> Again ? I though that bug was fix
* You might want to consider lowering the guard range on neutral units. I've had lots of attacks end in disaster because conquering one city brings the troops from another, so the army deals with them, leading to a third city sending its troops...
-> I agree, it is very annoying
* When a city rebels it should spawn hostile units as well.
-> Don't you think it would a little bit OP ?

 

[EsTriFee]

So from what i have tried in the 1.5 version..:
Winter - The most annoying event ever... Some white is ok.... but it's nearly impossible to see anything and everyone starts leaving because of it..
Alexandria - Can't Get out of the city either at the bottom or at the side?? is that suppose to happen?
Rome - Got out of it.. Can't come back in...

At the start of the game.. there is a lot of grinding.. (repeating same thing to get gold) afterwards there isn't actually any better way to get gold.. until you get buildings and farms..

No explanations on renown and the other things that amulets can also give? Would be great to know how to increase renown...

Putting a list of ranks and what each rank gives would also help.

All in all the game at the start is really slow...

No way to check farm income? since i think when you finally get 10k gold that income button only shows city income?

Carthage - main building.. the roof doesn't disappear when you enter it..

Becoming emperor - doesn't really do much?

Carthage palace - one of the towers doesn't disappear when you go into it..
Suggestions:

Capturing the capital of a faction should make all those factions cities stay with you.. e.g.: not rebel? or something like that..

More cities you have control over the faster your diplomacy replenishes to make new cities yours?

loved the nice addition of the mystic pyramid.. could backfire to anyone using it really fast thou

Oh and the last thing is most of the (maybe all?) farm areas say you need to build on blight area even thou you're placing the farm on the blight area.. i guess it's some bug?

Sorry for the messy post.. wrote it as I was playing... Will add stuff if i remember anything else.

 

[cleavinghammer]

* Celtiberians don't have a healer either.
* Why is there farmland you can't build farms on?

 

[purparisien]

I suppose it is a bug. It is supposed to be blight terrain. I don't really know the exact origin of this problem