Race Building Contest #3

[NoAmmoSrry]

it should be in tools section

 

[Deleted member 177737]

Thx ^.^

 

[Ghost765]

just squish it more than 3 times. but never squish portraits. i usually squish once for every 30kb, more or less.

 

[67chrome]

what about resources whose authors we dont know? i have a TON of models that i downloaded long ago, and their authors i do not know.

I'd really prefer it if you credit the author, any resource you use should be publicly available. For resources you don't know the author to you can probably find a good 95% of the authors by looking for the same resource here or at WC3 Campaigns. Most of the resources I downloaded ages ago from WC3 Search I was able to find here or at WC3Campaigns, so ya. If you downloaded it from a different site as long as that site is still up and running you should check that one out.

Can we use triggered stuff?

GUI, Jass, vJass, their all fair game. I don't see anything wrong with using triggered things other people have submitted to this site either, as long as you give them credit and it is available to anyone.

A question:

I noticed that we're not allowed to use the Sound editor, but what if we want to use a sound in an ability? Would we be allowed to import custom sounds?

The sound editor isn't mentioned because I just copied most of the rules from the techtree contest template. As long as the sound dosen't interfere with the standard four races' sounds, well, the only thing about this is that I'd like the imported resources to be available to everyone, and I haven't run into any site that has sound files available for WC3. I'll have to think about this one.

theres no rules against different submissions of the same race.

That's true. If two people want to do lets say, a gnoll race, then they could both go for it. Both races would have to be different though, but with all the spell, upgrade, and unit dynamics it would be pretty hard to accidentally make the same race twice.

just dont make the race before. ok, question bout resources, are there certain rules to keep in mind? of course we cant use rips, but can we use resources from other sites?

As long as you can find a credible author for the resources you download, and the site is publicly accessible, it's fine. Hive Workshop, WC3C, some crazy Russian sites, their all fair game.

Hmm, I just red over the rules & some points look a little un-clear on the first read. Like this part


* Units/building upgraded to gain additional bonuses count as 1 unit. (Watch Tower -> Scout Tower

To me looks like every upgrade (different model) counts as one of the 8 units.
and
* Dummy units do not count towards the unit total.
What counts as a dummy unit?
And my final thing to say in this post is, Can the 2mb be raised to 3/4 ish.

Ya, pretty much every unit upgrade would count as the same unit. The only exception I really see in melee game play is the Obsidian Statue and Destroyer, as the Destroyer can not change back, has essentially none of the same spells, and fills an entirely different role.

Dummy units are essentially used for spell effects and triggering purposes. Examples of dummy units in melee game-play are the disease clouds spawned by abominations and meat wagons, and the locusts summoned by crypt lords. They usually fill a very limited graphical or spell effect role, and are usually un-selectable and invulnerable as well.

2mb is definitely big enough, you should focus on importing resources that are needed for the race rather than simply importing resources for the sake of importing resources. Anyways, the contest over at WC3C is only designating 1/4 the amount of space for imports this contest would, and a lot can be done with 500kb if it is used wisely.

 

[Sean_D-real]

Im up for it since i can never finish a map . But it would be great if hero amount was set to 1-3 or something. like 1 hero minimum and 3 heros max b/c id prolly only end up making 2 heros but i love making heros lol.

 

[baassee]

Anyways, the contest over at WC3C is only designating 1/4 the amount of space for imports this contest would, and a lot can be done with 500kb if it is used wisely.

you dont need more than that

 

[Ghost765]

its more convienent if we do have a tad more space to use imports. but we really dont need over 2mb.

 

[Deleted member 177737]

you should focus on importing resources that are needed for the race rather than simply importing resources for the sake of importing resources

Lol thx for that, just made me realize that I was "importing resources for the sake of importing"

 

[Kercyn]

Any updates on the date we start?

 

[WhitePhoenix]

I would like to join this if it ever takes off.

 

[67chrome]

I just downloaded the latest patch and I'm not particularly fantastic with triggers either, so I would greatly appreciate it if one of you did an easy to use start up trigger for a custom race. moonglade looks like the map I'll have for this contest as well

 

[Sean_D-real]

I just downloaded the latest patch and I'm not particularly fantastic with triggers either, so I would greatly appreciate it if one of you did an easy to use start up trigger for a custom race. moonglade looks like the map I'll have for this contest as well

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=y82n6k Here i made a trigger to bring up a dialog button and pause the game you will select wether you want a custom race or not, its up to the editor to replace the units that are there. There will be a timer for 30 seconds. Probably not the perfect trigger but its a start.

 

[Deleted member 177737]

so, is that the final map that we can start on or...?

 

[Ghost765]

nice, hope this can start sooner than later

 

[Miss_Foxy]

Maybe I might wanna take part in this... I'll be making the err... Satyr Race...

 

[The D3ath]

come on, some time ago i want to start

 

[Ghost765]

chrome, any updates on when this can get rolling?

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

This project is dead. Lets all face it, were all gona get hyped up and then when it comes out the world will end.

When is this going to start?

 

[Deleted member 177737]

somebody just approve this cant take more than 2 min to move a forum post...

 

[Ghost765]

its a little more complicated than that actually...

 

[Dentothor]

yeah, we need judges and more or less run by everyone to see if it is worthy of the great hive arena!

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

yeah, we need judges and more or less run by everyone to see if it is worthy of the great hive arena!

Ill be a judge. Like judge judity or judge mattis. Ill be Judge AMMO! DUN DUN DUNNNN!!

 

[Deleted member 177737]

Yea be a judge

 

[The-Rave]

can someone give me link to first race building contest???

 

[Dentothor]

dude, look for it in the contest archives.

 

[The-Rave]

dude, look for it in the contest archives.

i have and i found not..

 

[Kercyn]

Is this the map? Can we start?

 

[sadvisor]

for those without any ideeas: Race - Forsaken.

PS: We have to edit an existing race in order to make our own, or we can just create new units?

 

[The D3ath]

The map's terrain may not be edited. The current four melee races may not be edited.

Thats your answer =), but im still having troubles with that, since i want to edit the game interface(it is allowed in the rules) to put a custom race thingy, showing different icon in score screen, diferent cursor, but that wouldn't edit some races score screen, cursor? im not clear about that

Bye

 

[Ghost765]

you can change the trigger editor, object editor, gameplay interface, and gameplay constants.
and is this the map? if so can we startttt!!!???

 

[Gyrosphinx]

I'll probably join in with my Highland Barbarians

 

[Deleted member 177737]

Im making evil nelf's or something like that...

 

[Ghost765]

one last question...can the map be protected?

 

[Deleted member 177737]

one last question...can the map be protected?

How would they judge a protected map?

 

[Ghost765]

by playing the race?

 

[Deleted member 177737]

I ment check what u edited >.>
(Things that you can only see in the editor)

 

[Ghost765]

uh...examples? if they need to check if i edited the original races, play with the original races...

 

[67chrome]

The contest will start when it is moved to the arena, no contest is official here in the contest submission thread. I'm new to hosting contests, so I probably screwed up by attaching the map to this thread. Right now I'm waiting to see if any moderators have any objection to me hosting this contest, as it has more to do with triggers than 2d art, so that is currently the hold up.

As for map protection, you should leave them open so that they can be tested more easily, and so things like the amount of imported material can be more accurately assessed.

 

[Ghost765]

how bout...i give the public a protected version, and you higher up more responsible people the original

 

[NoAmmoSrry]

Again I would like to be a judge if that is possible? And if it is not to demanding given a cookie while I am judging.

 

[WhitePhoenix]

how bout...i give the public a protected version, and you higher up more responsible people the original

Overprotective much? You can only strike ones curiosity with whatever it is you are making with such a statement.

 

[Ghost765]

just wait and see.

 

[Evil Devil]

Thats your answer =), but im still having troubles with that, since i want to edit the game interface(it is allowed in the rules) to put a custom race thingy, showing different icon in score screen, diferent cursor, but that wouldn't edit some races score screen, cursor? im not clear about that

Bye

maybe you could edit the naga...
its a 5th race not one of the meele races

 

[67chrome]

Editing the user interface is a little extreeme, and a bit beyond the scope of this contest. Perhaps in future incarnations of this contest a race will be overwritten to allow such control, and allow things such as custom blight textures to be used, but for now the basic premise is to keep it simple.

As for the maps being protected, some people need to force start them from their world editor to test the race out, so I'd prefer to keep it an open source for the final submission, when this contest gets up and running. Of course, if you want an opinion on things to change before the contest comes to a close you could always protect it to keep your ideas more secure for the contest.

As for when this contest gets hosted, one of my fellow moderators voiced concern about having another contest up with the number of contests that are currently active. I'll talk to him and see if I can convince him starting this contest sometime soon will defiantly be worth while

BTW - you will be able to tell when this contest starts by were it is located - when it gets moved in with the other contests in the arena it will be official, and I'll probably post something in the thread to avoid any confusion

 

[The D3ath]

Yeah but i think that you remove the map on the first post
we dont want people to start before, and just copy the triggers and units from the other map, that will suck

anyway i hope this starts!

Bye

 

[Ghost765]

does it really matter how many contests are up? as long as each of them have a decent number of participants does it really matter?

 

[Kercyn]

does it really matter how many contests are up? as long as each of them have a decent number of participants does it really matter?

Agree with that.

And about the map. I suggest that you remove it and re-upload another map when the competition officially starts.

 

[sadvisor]

And about the map. I suggest that you remove it and re-upload another map when the competition officially starts.

It's useless now if you think about it.

 

[Kercyn]

Why?

 

[Ghost765]

cause u can export object data and triggers. if the contest starts soon however, it wont make much of a difference if u started before or after.